Tuishou (推手) : Push Hand

[ChiDragon]

4 hours ago, FluffyGuardian said:

That's because Fa Jin, in his mind, means explosive power. He said, "It is soft, yet instantly hard."

And since pushing hard is wrong... do you therefore think this is wrong then?

I guess you still not have a good grasp on Tuishou. Tuishou is two people touching each other, and tries to feel a resisting force from one another. As soon the resisting force was detected from one, the other will perform fajin and give it a big push. Hence, that is the only time one is doing the pushing. However, when they are touching each other, the touching force  should be slightly but not pushing hard. In conclusion, in Tuishou, it wasn't not to push at all. Rather, one must know when to do the pushing. 

Edited Monday at 05:36 PM by ChiDragon

[ChiDragon]

23 hours ago, ChiDragon said:

散手”（也称“散打”），在现代语境下，是指一种以中国武术为基础，融合了踢、打、摔等攻防技法的徒手格斗技击项目。

@FluffyGuardian

I think this says all about Sanshou and MMA. I do not wish to go any further to argue about semantics and translations.Thanks!

 

HAHA..... You may laugh all you want. Whatever I had said still stands.

Edited Monday at 07:55 PM by ChiDragon

[ChiDragon]

3 hours ago, Master Logray said:

One can see the transition to be more realistic as levels change.   Push hand can be turned into a competition with strict rules, but is far from realistic fight.  

 

Yes, push-hand is only a practice to learn to control one's body strength which was known as Jin(勁). However, in the other hand, one blow with Fajin on the chest can stop someone's heartbeat. That is how powerful Jin was.
 

PS

The powerful Jin, explosive force, is the defensive feature of Taiji to disable the opponent in combat.

Edited Monday at 07:49 PM by ChiDragon

[Master Logray]

9 hours ago, ChiDragon said:

Yes, push-hand is only a practice to learn to control one's body strength which was known as Jin(勁). However, in the other hand, one blow with Fajin on the chest can stop someone's heartbeat. That is how powerful Jin was.
 

PS

The powerful Jin, explosive force, is the defensive feature of Taiji to disable the opponent in combat.

 

The translation of Jin to be explosive force seems quite good for usual discussion on this forum.   However I googled there are 40 types of Jin.    粘黏劲、走劲、公劲、引劲、拿劲、发劲、借劲、开劲、合劲、提劲、沉劲、掤劲、捋劲、挤劲、按劲、采劲、扌列劲、肘劲、靠劲、长劲、截劲、钻劲、拨劲、搓劲、撅劲、卷劲、冷断劲、寸劲、分劲、抖跳劲、抖擞劲、折叠劲、擦皮劲、虚临劲、凌空劲等

[ChiDragon]

Just now, Master Logray said:

The translation of Jin to be explosive force seems quite good for usual discussion on this forum.   However I googled there are 40 types of Jin.    粘黏劲、走劲、公劲、引劲、拿劲、发劲、借劲、开劲、合劲、提劲、沉劲、掤劲、捋劲、挤劲、按劲、采劲、扌列劲、肘劲、靠劲、长劲、截劲、钻劲、拨劲、搓劲、撅劲、卷劲、冷断劲、寸劲、分劲、抖跳劲、抖擞劲、折叠劲、擦皮劲、虚临劲、凌空劲等

 

Yes, Jin is an interesting subject to investigate. The more we discuss about Jin the more we will understand what it is. IMMHO Jin by itself, in a Taiji body, is not an explosive force. It is only a potential energy that is ready to be issued by Fajin. Jin is not an explosive force, yet, until it was issued by the practitioner. The powerful Fajin force is very deadly if someone cannot withstand the impact of contact.

In regard to the different types of Jin, the 40 descriptions of Jin above are not really Jin themselves. Like I said they are only descriptions. They are really, only, describing the methods of Fajin.  There are 8 types of Fajin methods are well known and recognized by Taiji practitioners. They are  掤劲、捋劲、挤劲、按劲、采劲 、 挒劲、肘劲、靠劲. All the rest, I think, they are probably using the idea of Fajin borrowed from the Taiji practitioners by other martial artists. Anyway, this is only my understanding for now.