Russian speakers help please

[Nungali]

On 7/10/2025 at 10:13 AM, Apech said:

Sad face.  Maybe you could look it up and we could discuss it?  If you have the time?

 

So, briefly ;  first a lot of the history is contested ,  records are either scant , come from further away or latter sources. The 'Indian' sources seem mostly  in written works ( like stories and plays ) but not so much history .

 

Its one of those 'great subjects'  ( like IE replacement / migration into NE India ;  AMT or AIT  as opposed to  OOI  - theories ) where Indian  and Western scholars  can argues about indefinitely . 

 

And within those arguments  I have often noted , is this really about 'India ' .... at most some claimants to India  or 'invaders' of India rarely got across the  Indus . Post of it was into what we know today as   'Pakistan ' ... even the original name came from the earliest Avestan scriptures ( Zoroastrian)  in the Vendidad .... the lands in the area  (mostly around Central Asia );  'The Nations of the Vendidad' mentions  ' Sind ' and  'Hapta Hindus' or similar  Indus , India .   And again mostly refers to the same area  ( the seven rivers ) . 

 

Rarely has anyone in ancient times penetrated into the main 'sub-continent  - geographically . 

 

Alexander came and had a look ..... Nah .   Then went south , and as they do they put in 'settlers'  , again , in this area bordering on the Indus  (   parts of ... sorta ...  'Satrapies'  of the old Persian Empire's far  south - east  ) . Alexander died , and his general  Seleucis  got that slice of the pie .    So  The Mauryan Empire  and post Mauryan Empire  had some areas of Greek settlement  that became 'Indianised'  . Buddhism became pop with some .   Then their Greek Bacteria Empire split in two and the closest part to India became Indo-Greeks .   When weakness and collapse  happened in the east they moved east .. across the top of India ,  but not far .  This seems to be due to them throwing their lot in with the successors of Maurya Empire , which only held parts of India , mostly these parts ( Indus , Punjab , north and central east  who where battling a nasty fellow that wanted to overtake the rest and seemed to enjoy killing Buddhists .   That all sorts collapsed and they retreated back west . So that seems as far as the  'Greco Bactrian ' invasion went . 

 

After that much more of the Sub-continent  was taken over but not by 'Greco-Bactian' but Kushites . 

 

That's what I seem to make of it so far . What did you want to discuss ? 

[Apech]

4 hours ago, Nungali said:

 

So, briefly ;  first a lot of the history is contested ,  records are either scant , come from further away or latter sources. The 'Indian' sources seem mostly  in written works ( like stories and plays ) but not so much history .

 

Its one of those 'great subjects'  ( like IE replacement / migration into NE India ;  AMT or AIT  as opposed to  OOI  - theories ) where Indian  and Western scholars  can argues about indefinitely . 

 

And within those arguments  I have often noted , is this really about 'India ' .... at most some claimants to India  or 'invaders' of India rarely got across the  Indus . Post of it was into what we know today as   'Pakistan ' ... even the original name came from the earliest Avestan scriptures ( Zoroastrian)  in the Vendidad .... the lands in the area  (mostly around Central Asia );  'The Nations of the Vendidad' mentions  ' Sind ' and  'Hapta Hindus' or similar  Indus , India .   And again mostly refers to the same area  ( the seven rivers ) . 

 

Rarely has anyone in ancient times penetrated into the main 'sub-continent  - geographically . 

 

Alexander came and had a look ..... Nah .   Then went south , and as they do they put in 'settlers'  , again , in this area bordering on the Indus  (   parts of ... sorta ...  'Satrapies'  of the old Persian Empire's far  south - east  ) . Alexander died , and his general  Seleucis  got that slice of the pie .    So  The Mauryan Empire  and post Mauryan Empire  had some areas of Greek settlement  that became 'Indianised'  . Buddhism became pop with some .   Then their Greek Bacteria Empire split in two and the closest part to India became Indo-Greeks .   When weakness and collapse  happened in the east they moved east .. across the top of India ,  but not far .  This seems to be due to them throwing their lot in with the successors of Maurya Empire , which only held parts of India , mostly these parts ( Indus , Punjab , north and central east  who where battling a nasty fellow that wanted to overtake the rest and seemed to enjoy killing Buddhists .   That all sorts collapsed and they retreated back west . So that seems as far as the  'Greco Bactrian ' invasion went . 

 

After that much more of the Sub-continent  was taken over but not by 'Greco-Bactian' but Kushites . 

 

That's what I seem to make of it so far . What did you want to discuss ? 

Let me read up a bit more and start a new thread.