Perspectives on Morality

[BigSkyDiamond]

14 minutes ago, Surya said:

Love, light, altruism, freedom, truth and knowledge? That’s good in my perspective, for sure.

Whats bad (form my perspective)? The opposite.

 

The good fights entropy, the bad increases it.

 

Regarding entropy:  "disorder in a system, randomness"

I remember hearing a definition of G O D as being:   Good Orderly Direction

 

and that a measure of how aligned we are with Divinity, is the extent to which all three of those are present in our daily life:  good and orderly and direction.  And that we feel there is good orderly direction in our life.  Instead of life feeling random and having our life in disorder.

 

Edited yesterday at 11:36 AM by BigSkyDiamond

[Surya]

5 minutes ago, BigSkyDiamond said:

 

Regarding entropy:  "disorder in a system, randomness"

I remember hearing a definition of G O D as being:   Good Orderly Direction

and that a measure of how aligned we are with Divinity, is the extent to which we feel there is good orderly direction in our life.  Instead of life feeling random and in disorder.

https://vedabase.io/en/library/transcripts/660530bg-new-york/#bb575305

[Paradoxal]

2 hours ago, Surya said:

Love, light, altruism, freedom, truth and knowledge? That’s good in my perspective, for sure.

Is there a point in your mind where any of these things can go too far and flip into evil?

[Nungali]

9 hours ago, Paradoxal said:

Is there a point in your mind where any of these things can go too far and flip into evil?

 

I was just writing about something similar , they all have their area of negative degeneration 

 

Love - Obsession ,    and so on .    Its what happens when we get out of balance .

[Nungali]

On 7/24/2025 at 12:47 AM, Paradoxal said:

Apologies, but you are clearly mistaken in that assertion.

 

Individual expression, aka 'opinion', is still based upon logic. 'Argument', in this particular context, refers to a debate in which logic is used and challenged to compare viewpoints with the goal of all sides coming out a little bit smarter (see your second definition). If it devolves into a simple slinging of insults, then that shows at least one side refuses to listen...

 

This is philosopy 101-level stuff; if you claim to know enough about religion, morals, or other topics to present your opinion, I highly recommend doing research into argument / debate in an academic sense.

 

 

Would you then argue for collectivist values? I suppose my question is, where would you draw the line?

If the local society decides that a certain group of people should die with no visible cause, is it moral to oblige?

 

 

It was all going okay until someone suggested because you want accuracy in assertions  you were spoiling for a fight ... then  they went on to explain ( with some support )  that there is a faction here that wants communication without  such disruption   as you bring with 'spoiling for a fight '     ( also they don't like judging   )   .

 

When what they did is actually what they are now complaining about !    They interrupted you to debate a point you made ! 

 

      Classic !   

 

Some of us are aware of this dynamic going on  here .   Some one tries to 'make a point ' or set the scenario   about some way they want to present a narrative or an observation and in setting that up they make a false statement .   THis is pointed out , the falseness of the statement gets discussed  and then the person that made it originally complains that things are not going they way they want them to  and its actually the others fault for being 'picky'  or 'debating' with them . 

 

I think we know why some attempt to paint others this way .   

 

   

[Paradoxal]

6 hours ago, Nungali said:

I think we know why some attempt to paint others this way

Ego blinds folks way too much... When I see it, I try to speak up, but oftentimes the person themselves is just not ready to listen.

 

6 hours ago, Nungali said:

I was just writing about something similar , they all have their area of negative degeneration 

 

Love - Obsession ,    and so on .    Its what happens when we get out of balance .

Exactly what I'm interested in. It's easy to claim something as good or bad out of emotion, but that same emotion can easily drive us to excessively harm others, thus it must be tempered with logic. 

 

Where I struggle personally is that what I find to be 'great evil' (CEOs, focus on 'improving the economy' over 'improving lives', Abrahamic religion, intentional closed-mindedness) is found by many others to be either 'normal' or 'good'. 

 

Additionally, when you have someone responsible for the torment and death of millions (such as CEOs and despots), how can you even give justice?

The closest thing would be torture, as one death cannot repay millions of deaths, but then the ones implementing the punishment would in turn be scarred.

 

Simply forgiving them and letting them live creates an opening for them (or others) to do it again, and when you have people who have a proven track record of manipulating others to a fatal degree, how can you even confirm a reform?

 

In my opinion, small scale morality issues like we discuss here can balloon into having an effect on larger issues like I point to above if we examine them carefully and from many varied (and opposing) opinions.

 

...in short, where do we find that balance?

Edited 13 hours ago by Paradoxal

[Surya]

19 hours ago, Paradoxal said:

Is there a point in your mind where any of these things can go too far and flip into evil?

Depends on how you understand the terms, really. Freedom for instance, is a tricky concept. If you define freedom as the right to do whatever you wish unconcerned of the impact on others, then certainly. 
 

To answer your question, I do not think they can be taken to far, as long as they are taken as a package.

 

What do you think? 

[Paradoxal]

2 hours ago, Surya said:

What do you think? 

I'm of the opinion that anything good taken to the extreme can turn bad. Too much medicine turns into poison, and too little poison turns into medicine. 

If you wanna take the 5 elements/yinyang view, extreme yin turns into moderate yang; extreme yang turns into moderate yin. 

 

Love turns into obsession, which can have disastrous results (look at how some people remain trapped in hazardous relationships through love, for example). 

Light will burn and destroy even the things it nurtures if it becomes too bright.

Altruism turns into arrogant oppression when taken too far (the current American Christian politics comes to mind, but also SJWs and other such social phenomenon).

Freedom turns into a prison when taken too far, as the freedom to hurt oneself and others will then cause freedom to be restricted. 

Truth turns into lies when too much faith or emphasis is placed into it; again, look at current politics for an example. In this particular category, people get too invested into their 'truth' to realize that it might not be founded in reality, or too invested to see why others may not believe it; this feeds into the creation of lies to support the 'truth'.

Knowledge is the easiest one here; there are certain things it is better not to know and certain things it is better to not have seen. They're generally called 'infohazards' in modern intelligence circles, but basically, some knowledge can and will affect the way you think for the rest of your life.