My natal chart

[Surya]

I wonder if you have any insight based upon this:

https://ibb.co/mVHgR8Qy

 

edit: I do have the privilege of studying under a kind hearted astrologer, so we will go trough it in detail. I guess I am sort of asking for first impressions, if that makes sense. Also, I am starting to believe my future might lay in teaching; be it to children at school, in the mysteries, helping people out, what have you. Does my profile fit the teaching role?

Edited June 11 by Surya
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[Nungali]

I didn't know it was going up here .... I expected a PM .  Are you happy to have a public viewed analysis ?  At first quick glance it is very interesting ... those oppositions ! (red)  and that nice little trip cluster heading for the ascendant  ... not to mention the 'big kite'  . 

 

In any case , I am   restricted  atm , by slow site speeds and stalls ....  I'll wait for a  'faster day ' .  

[Nungali]

" trio cluster I meant ; Sun Moon Mercury "  

 

( site taking too long to do an edit . ) 

[Surya]

1 hour ago, Nungali said:

 

I didn't know it was going up here .... I expected a PM

 

Mhm, I intended to, but that was before I figured out how to link personal pictures to this website. Also, I figured it was no harm putting it out here, but sure, I am happy about doing it on pm. But ofc, only look into to it to the degree you feel like.

 

I am happy that the chart has helped me find some confidence and direction tho, I feel strongly that my calling, so to speak, lies in teaching.

 

The intro to the deep psych analysis was quite good tho, so let’s share it with all our fellow bums:

 

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Once upon a time, in a less scientific age than ours, astrology was a respected study, based on ancient and empirically compiled principles and used by the learned for greater insight not only into the future, but into the soul. With the coming of the Age of Enlightenment, and the increase in man's knowledge of the material universe, it seemed for a time that studies such as astrology, in company with other symbolic maps of the cosmos, had become anachronisms - pieces of superstitious nonsense which reflected a more ignorant and gullible era. But surprisingly, astrology, despite its detractors, has refused to go the way of the flat earth, the conjuring of demons, and the turning of lead into gold. It is alive and well, growing in popularity, and once again meriting the respect of intelligent minds - for it has been brought into the modern era through our increasing knowledge of psychology and of the inner nature of man. Subjected to many centuries of suppression and ridicule, astrology has outproven and outlasted its opponents, and eloquently demonstrates that it has something of great value to offer the modern individual seeking self-understanding.

In this horoscope analysis we have endeavoured, using the insights of astrology and psychology combined with the tools of advanced computer technology, to offer you an astrological portrait which is uniquely and individually focussed and which aims at providing greater self-knowledge. This is not fortune-telling astrology, but rather, psychological astrology, developed to as deep and sophisticated a level as is possible within the perimeters of computer interpretation. No computer can perform the task of an experienced human astrologer. But we think you will find this analysis a surprisingly profound and subtle interpretation of the complex dynamics at work within you.

Shakespeare once wrote that all the world is a stage, and all the men and women merely players. In a sense, your birth horoscope is a metaphor for the individual play, complete with stage set, cast of characters, and story, which lies at the core of your life journey. It might be useful for you to remember the metaphor of the theatre as you read through the various sections of your astrological portrait, because it can help you to understand the real meaning of fate as it is reflected by astrology. Fate does not lie in your being subjected to random preordained events. It lies in the cast of characters which represent the deepest needs, conflicts and aspirations which lie within you. No person can be other than himself or herself; and every life experience, whether tiny and transient or major and transformative, reflects in some way the character of the individual.

 

 

 

 

[Nungali]

I thought to post it here for easier reference .   I can do small bits at a time  ( as I am a bit busier lately ) 

 

 

 

I do things a niot different , so this may vary from the way  some astrologers do it . 

 

First I like to look at two things ; the Sun and Moon as they represent the conscious / unconscious  : the 'ego' and its hidden 'drivers' : the male and female aspects , etc . 

 

But to focus on the Sun and our 'ego expression ' and specifically  what sign it is in    ( eg  I am a Leo ) is very simple, restrictive, and ego based  ( and got started relatively recently ... by an astrologer named Leo .... who was 'a Leo '    )    .

 

Old school astrology gave first importance to ones ascendant  ( marked ASC on the chart .... 0 degrees ,  'signrise ' as opposed to 'sunrise ' what   sign is in the first house (the house just coming into the eastern horizon ) and what is in  it . 

 

Well, in your case , both your Sun and Moon is in the ascendant , which makes joining both old and new aspects a lot easier ! 

The first thing I note is the proximity of Sun and Moon , not close enough for 'combust ' ( where the power of the Sun over rules any other body that is near obscured by it )  but  near enough easily for  conjunct  ( a 10 degree range - yours seem around 4 )  and very importantly Mercury nearby .  We can short cut a lot here by making reference  to a lot of what I have written elsewhere on DBs regarding various subjects ( get that memory working ! ) especially regarding Mercury .  remember  it is a mediator  between diverse influences  ( like Mars and Venus , Sun and Moon , etc .  Also a blend of both being an hermaphrodite  and the God of Magick medicine and technology .

 

And its all in the first house , that is the next consideration, and after that the sign is Cancer . 

 

These aspects  should be enough to look at at first . next we will examine the inner planets , that make up your personality  and traits  and then after the outer planets ;  the more general influence s on the times you live in and the people around you .  At this stage however I note that with the personal planets  Mercury Mars and Venus , your Mars and Venus  are within the conjunct range , have just  .... passed  *  the ascendant are in the sign of Gemini .   

 

* I have to keep reversing things as this is a north hemisphere chart .... I might  make a mistake about that if I am not on the ball .  In a southern chart ASC is on the  right . 

 

So first , what  does a Sun Moon conjunction represent ?  The goal  !   In hermetics at least .   Basically a conjunct  it unifies both sides 

 

       

 

 

Here is more ;  https://cafeastrology.com/natal/sunconjunctmoon.html

 

I suggest you read a range of views on it .  Brush up on the influence of Mercury and  research and read up on those influences modified by Cancer .  Then put that into the context of the first house (  identity , physical appearance and approach to life ,  external interaction with the world .....  ) 

 

Then when you are ready for the next bit, let me know . 

 

 

Not that I want to throw a spanner in the works ... but is this a tropical or sidereal  chart ?   Some say sidereal is the true revealer . Not to worry , if things don't seem to match  we can shift to sidereal  if it is tropical , all the planets and aspects and inter relationships are the same , we just moved the outer wheel around  ( about 28-29 degrees , near  to one  whole sign )   Eg , tropically I am 'Cancerian '( natal sun in cancer )  some close to me get that , and in many aspects its true *  .  But siderally I am a Gemini , and that should be obvious  as well . 

 

* also with the shift other planets  shift into Cancer so there is that explanation as well . 

 

I know it all seems complex at first , but so does  riding a bike    and like that it can be an invaluable tool  for 'getting ahead ; in the 'know thyself' adventure . 

[Surya]

Thanks @Nungali

 

So, I am taking a little bit of a wild shot here, but in regards to Mercury/Hermes, the sun and the moon all being close to each other, my guess would be that it represents something along these lines: 

The sun represents the concious or higher self, while the moon the lower or subconcious, is that correct? Mercury is related to communications, and is, as you know, the messenger of the gods. So, I interpet this as higher and lower self being in tune with each other, and Hermes functioning as a connector between the two? A shot in the dark, but it is the best I could do. Actually, rereading your comment, I pretty much just repeated what you said. I couldnt really relate that much to any of the interpertations provided by the link.

 

Second speech of Socrates

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The soul (245c–249d)

He begins by briefly proving the immortality of the soul. A soul is always in motion and as a self-mover has no beginning. A self-mover is itself the source of everything else that moves. So, by the same token, it cannot be destroyed. Bodily objects moved from the outside have no soul, while those that move from within have a soul. Moving from within, all souls are self-movers, and hence their immortality is necessary.^{[Note 20]}

Then begins the famous chariot allegory. A soul, says Socrates, is like the "natural union of a team of winged horses and their charioteer". While the gods have two good horses, everyone else has a mixture: one is beautiful and good, while the other is neither.^{[Note 21]}

As souls are immortal, those lacking bodies patrol all of heaven so long as their wings are in perfect condition. When a soul sheds its wings, it comes to earth and takes on an earthly body that then seems to move itself.^{[Note 22]} These wings lift up heavy things to where the gods dwell and are nourished and grow in the presence of the wisdom, goodness, and beauty of the divine. However, foulness and ugliness make the wings shrink and disappear.^{[Note 23]}

In heaven, he explains, there is a procession led by Zeus, who looks after everything and puts things in order. All the gods, except for Hestia, follow Zeus in this procession. While the chariots of the gods are balanced and easier to control, other charioteers must struggle with their bad horse, which will drag them down to earth if it has not been properly trained.^{[Note 24]} As the procession works its way upward, it eventually makes it up to the high ridge of heaven where the gods take their stands and are taken in a circular motion to gaze at all that is beyond heaven.^{[Note 25]}

What is outside of heaven, says Socrates, is quite difficult to describe, lacking color, shape, or solidity, as it is the subject of all true knowledge, visible only to intelligence.^{[Note 26]} The gods delight in these things and are nourished. Feeling wonderful, they are taken around until they make a complete circle. On the way they are able to see Justice, Self-control, Knowledge, and other things as they are in themselves, unchanging. When they have seen all things and feasted on them, coming all the way around, they sink back down inside heaven.^{[Note 27]}

The immortal souls that follow the gods most closely are able to just barely raise their chariots up to the rim and look out on reality. They see some things and miss others, having to deal with their horses; they rise and fall at varying times. Other souls, while straining to keep up, are unable to rise, and in noisy, sweaty discord they leave uninitiated, not having seen reality. Where they go after is then dependent on their own opinions, rather than the truth. Any soul that catches sight of any true thing is granted another circuit where it can see more; eventually, all souls fall back to earth. Those that have been initiated are put into varying human incarnations, depending on how much they have seen; those made into philosophers and artists have seen the most, while kings, statesmen, doctors, prophets, poets, manual laborers, sophists, and tyrants follow respectively.^{[Note 28]}

Souls then begin cycles of reincarnation. It generally takes 10,000 years for a soul to grow its wings and return to where it came, but philosophers, after having chosen such a life three times in a row, grow their wings and return after only 3,000 years. This is because they have seen the most and always keep its memory as close as possible, and philosophers maintain the highest level of initiation. They ignore human concerns and are drawn towards the divine. While ordinary people rebuke them for this, they are unaware that the lover of wisdom is possessed by a god. This is the fourth sort of madness, that of love.^{[Note 29]}

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phaedrus_(dialogue)

 

I asked AI (Gemini to be exact ) what the sun, moon and mercury in the first house represents:
 

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Planets in the First House:

 

Any planets placed in the First House at the time of your birth will have a profound influence on your personality and how you express yourself. For example:

• Sun in the 1st House: Strong ego, a need to be seen, natural leadership.

• Moon in the 1st House: Emotional, sensitive, intuitive, perhaps changeable in mood.

• Mercury in the 1st House: Curious, communicative, adaptable, a strong desire to express ideas.

 

The ruler of the First House (the planet that rules the zodiac sign on your Ascendant) is also incredibly important, as its placement and aspects in your chart will describe your life's overall priorities and plotline.

Is this fair?

 

I then turned to gemini once again, asking what the sun, moon and mercury being situated in cancer implies, and got the following response:
 

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In summary, a person with Sun, Moon, and Mercury in Cancer embodies the quintessential Cancerian archetype. They are likely profoundly empathetic, fiercely loyal, deeply connected to their family and home, and driven by a powerful need for emotional security. Their thoughts, feelings, and outward expression are all harmonized by the nurturing, intuitive, and protective qualities of Cancer. It's a highly emotional and caring placement, demanding strong emotional boundaries and outlets for their vast inner world.

I mean... I guess I can relate to a good degree.

And yes, this is a tropical chart.

 

So, to conclude, Id like to ask if you are happy with the interpertations done so far, and also what the significance of the "drake" shape is. 

 

On 15.6.2025 at 1:37 AM, Nungali said:

But to focus on the Sun and our 'ego expression ' and specifically  what sign it is in    ( eg  I am a Leo ) is very simple, restrictive, and ego based  ( and got started relatively recently ... by an astrologer named Leo .... who was 'a Leo '    )    .

Never change 

[Nungali]

Yes, that's the way to go about .  read up on the planets and what they represent , then the houses they are in then the aspects they have with each other . Its tricky at first but after a little time it all starts coming together .  When you have that down start adding the other planets and aspects and influences  .  Eventually it will be like a jigsaw puzzle, bits and patches of the picture  will start to emerge .  Eventually it should all fit together in your understanding ... like a giant kaleidoscope  of 'person'  .

 

Then if you want to go further , you can turn the kaleidoscope  and watch it change   ( that's the daily or current chart . )   

 

Then you can superimpose your natal over the daily -  then you have transits . ... but that's in the future ,  don't rush ahead , get solid on the basics . 

 

 

 

 

 

..... how do you feel today        

 

 

Edited July 9 by Nungali

[Surya]

20 hours ago, Nungali said:

how do you feel today        

 

Great, thank you. How about you?

 

I wonder, in terms of choosing a career, do you have any thoughts on what would suit me based on the chart? I have applied for Teacher training program (is that really what you call the education to become a qualified teacher in English?) this autumn, as I think it would be way more rewarding compared to the bachelor degree I have from before (economics, a little too soulless for my taste).

[Nungali]

11 hours ago, Surya said:

Great, thank you. 

 

I meant ; what phase of the kaleidoscope  do you look like    

 

11 hours ago, Surya said:

How about you?

 

 

 

11 hours ago, Surya said:

 

I wonder, in terms of choosing a career, do you have any thoughts on what would suit me based on the chart? I have applied for Teacher training program (is that really what you call the education to become a qualified teacher in English?) this autumn, as I think it would be way more rewarding compared to the bachelor degree I have from before (economics, a little too soulless for my taste).

 

To early to tell at this stage  .  

 

next stage is to look at the 'personal' or 'inner planets ; Mercury Venus Mars .  First would be to read up on the energies those planets represent . 

[Surya]

On 11.7.2025 at 9:27 AM, Nungali said:

 

I meant ; what phase of the kaleidoscope  do you look like    

There's a time for everyone
If they only learn
That the twisting kaleidoscope
Moves us all in turn
There's a rhyme and reason
To the wild outdoors
When the heart of this star-crossed voyager
Beats in time with yours

 

So bear with me, as you prob know by now: I do have a strong tendency to speak before I think, and I am also at a point where I have no clue what its really about or how it works. But I trust in it is something to astrology. To worsen the situation, I rely a lot on AI. Entirely, actually. Ill spear you for the commands, and leave you with the synthesis:

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SYNTHESIS: Tying Mercury, Venus, and Mars Together (Verified & Refined)

 

This set of placements creates a fascinating individual, marked by deep emotional sensitivity, powerful intuitive intelligence, and a dynamic, often fiery, assertive streak.

1. The Emotionally Intelligent Core (Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus in Cancer; Sun/Mercury/Venus in 1st/2nd Houses): Your most defining characteristic is your profound emotional depth and sensitivity. Your core identity (Sun/Venus in 1st House) is intertwined with nurturing, empathy, and seeking emotional security. Your mind (Mercury) and communication (Mercury) are highly intuitive, empathetic, and influenced by your feelings and memories. You think about and communicate your values (Venus) in a way that prioritizes comfort, safety, and deep connection. You attract others with your warmth, care, and ability to make them feel emotionally secure.

2. The Brilliant, Intuitive Mind (Mercury Conjunct Uranus & Moon): Despite the emotional sensitivity, your intellect is anything but soft. The tight conjunctions of Mercury with the Moon and especially Uranus indicate an exceptionally intuitive, original, and possibly brilliant mind. You possess a unique way of thinking, characterized by sudden insights, unconventional ideas, and a desire for mental freedom. You can articulate complex, even unusual, thoughts with an empathetic touch. This gives your sensitive nature an innovative, cutting-edge, and highly independent intellectual edge.

3. The Passionate & Assertive Communicator (Mars in Leo in 3rd House): Here's where a different energy emerges. While your core is sensitive, your drive to act and communicate your thoughts is bold, dramatic, and confident. When you speak, especially on topics you're passionate about, you do so with authority and a desire to make an impact. You love to lead discussions, share your convictions, and impress others with your insights. This provides a powerful external expression to your internal emotional and intellectual world.

4. The Dynamic Tensions and Growth (Mars Aspects to Uranus & Saturn; Venus Opposition Jupiter): This is where significant life lessons and growth lie.

• Action vs. Discipline/Freedom (Mars Square Uranus & Opposition Saturn): Your bold, expressive drive (Mars in Leo) is constantly navigating powerful challenges. The square to Uranus means your actions can be impulsive, rebellious, or suddenly change direction, reflecting a strong need for independence. The opposition to Saturn means you often face resistance or delays in your efforts, learning patience and discipline the hard way. These aspects suggest a dynamic tension between wanting to act freely and boldly, and encountering external or internal blocks. This can lead to frustration but ultimately forges incredible resilience and strategic prowess in how you pursue your goals. You are learning to channel immense, sometimes volatile, energy effectively.

• Relationships & Values (Venus Opposition Jupiter): Your deep desire for nurturing, emotional security, and comfort in relationships (Venus in Cancer) can be challenged by an expansive, sometimes excessive, or even dogmatic approach to values and generosity (Jupiter in Capricorn). You might idealize partners, struggle with boundaries in giving/receiving, or have high expectations. This aspect calls for learning balance, moderation, and realistic expectations in your emotional and financial exchanges.

In Summary:

You are a deeply empathetic, intuitive, and caring individual with a brilliant and unconventional mind. Your communication style is generally warm and nurturing, but when driven by conviction, you can be a highly assertive, dramatic, and impactful speaker. Your life journey involves learning to balance your profound emotional needs with your independent, innovative intellect, and to channel your powerful, sometimes conflicted, drives into productive action. You are someone who both nurtures and inspires, providing emotional support while also pushing boundaries with your unique perspectives.

Thank you again for your patience and for guiding me to the correct interpretation. This is a much more accurate and insightful reading based on the chart provided.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Overall quite flattering, but I guess that might be the nature of astrology done by AI. When it came to point four, I found that very relatable, and it is nice to be presented with "oppurtunities with approvement." 

 

1. Is this along the lines of what you adviced me to look into?

2. Does the reading done by AI seem reliable to you?

3. Other then self knowledge, which I guess is nothing to be scoffed at, what can I use this info for?

4. If you are satisified, what can I/we (and gemini ) analyze next, and if not, what ressources would you reccomend me to use to reavaluate?

 

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5. I read that Jupiter entered cancer (whatever that means) at 09.06 and will remain there for 13 months, and that this is advantageous for everyone, but I guess extremely so for me, considering how heavily I am concentrated in cancer?

Edited Friday at 01:52 PM by Surya

[BigSkyDiamond]

3 hours ago, Surya said:

I rely a lot on AI. Entirely, actually.

astrology done by AI.

Does the reading done by AI seem reliable to you?

 

Bear in mind that research studies have documented that AI is incorrect 60% of the time.

Depending on which AI platform is used, they range in error from 30% to 90% of the time.

So that is like using a tutor with grades of D or F.  

 

So be aware that AI (a) is incorrect 60% of the time, and (b) can't distinguish between correct information and incorrect information;  and (c) performance over time actually DECREASES, it gets worse; and (d) it fabricates information. it makes up fake stuff including people, events, and URLs.  

 

Given that, AI is not a  credible source, and it is not a reliable source, then it baffles me that it is used at all.  For me, if i see information presented in post that indicates AI as a source,  then i dismiss it out of hand as not reliable, not accurate, not credible, and 60% incorrect or fabricated.  

 

 

source

article 2025 "AI search engines cite incorrect news sources at an alarming 60% rate"

article  2023, University of Maryland Research Guide, "What does AI Get Wrong"

article   2023, Scientific American, "Yes AI Models Can Get Worse Over Time"

 

AI is "just mimicking reasoning, rather than actually performing that reasoning.”

 In March an AI tool correctly identified prime numbers from a list 96.7% of the time.  Three months later in June of the same year, the same AI platform, the same task, the same list, but only 2.7% were correctly identified.  AI is simply not reliable.  Oh, and the paid versions of the eight AI platforms tested, had higher error rate than the free versions.

 

Edited Friday at 04:43 PM by BigSkyDiamond

[Nungali]

15 hours ago, Surya said:

There's a time for everyone
If they only learn
That the twisting kaleidoscope
Moves us all in turn
There's a rhyme and reason
To the wild outdoors
When the heart of this star-crossed voyager
Beats in time with yours

 

So bear with me, as you prob know by now: I do have a strong tendency to speak before I think, and I am also at a point where I have no clue what its really about or how it works. But I trust in it is something to astrology. To worsen the situation, I rely a lot on AI. Entirely, actually. Ill spear you for the commands, and leave you with the synthesis:

Overall quite flattering, but I guess that might be the nature of astrology done by AI. When it came to point four, I found that very relatable, and it is nice to be presented with "oppurtunities with approvement." 

 

Regarding AI   the post above indicates a lot and something to bear in mind .  In this case since you are new to astrology , its relevant . I often use it , but usually in areas where I already know the results  and if not , I follow up an other references to it . It helps to not use one source ... For anything . 

 

 

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1. Is this along the lines of what you adviced me to look into?

 

Yes.

 

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2. Does the reading done by AI seem reliable to you?

 

Partially  but 'this IS all about you '   (and you know you best ) - does it seem reliable to you ? 

 

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3. Other then self knowledge, which I guess is nothing to be scoffed at, what can I use this info for?

 

Anything you use your self for .  Self knowledge implies self development . 

 

What I mean there is , if you have a car , its a good idea to know how it works , what's best to do TO it , how to fix it ... etc .   But it should not just stay in the garage  .

 

 

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4. If you are satisified, what can I/we (and gemini ) analyze next, and if not, what ressources would you reccomend me to use to reavaluate?

 

Well, you have jumped ahead of me a bit , I did mention what was next , but I didn't feel the Sun Moon relationship was looked into much ... then again I am going slow ( as I have other projects  going - and you do   )  . 

 

 

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5. I read that Jupiter entered cancer (whatever that means) at 09.06 and will remain there for 13 months, and that this is advantageous for everyone, but I guess extremely so for me, considering how heavily I am concentrated in cancer?

 

Since  you were using a tropic chart it means that the planet Jupiter, from our vantage point ,  has entered that segment of space  around  and out from the Earth , designated 'Cancer' , which is the 4th 30 degree segment from the Equinoctal Point (  the point where the celestial Equator crosses the Ecliptic  . . . which - now- is  nearly 30 degrees  beyond the constellation of Cancer)  .

 

IE.  99.6 deg , beyond  the crossing point of those 'colures'  ( imaginary lines drawn on the celestial map ) ;

 

 

Jupiter is said to be beneficial and expansive and  it is 'exulted' in Cancer . 

 

 

Edited Saturday at 05:31 AM by Nungali