Surya Posted September 27 @Kati Since we had a little chat about surrendering and the Gita earlier: Bg. 18.66 सर्वधर्मान्परित्यज्य मामेकं शरणं व्रज । अहं त्वां सर्वपापेभ्यो मोक्षयिष्यामि मा शुच: ॥ ६६ ॥ sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja ahaṁ tvāṁ sarva-pāpebhyo mokṣayiṣyāmi mā śucaḥ Synonyms sarva-dharmān — all varieties of religion; parityajya — abandoning; mām — unto Me; ekam — only; śaraṇam — for surrender; vraja — go; aham — I; tvām — you; sarva — all; pāpebhyaḥ — from sinful reactions; mokṣayiṣyāmi — will deliver; mā — do not; śucaḥ — worry. Translation Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me (Krishna). I shall deliver you from all sinful reactions. Do not fear. Bg. 2.7 कार्पण्यदोषोपहतस्वभावः पृच्छामि त्वां धर्मसम्मूढचेताः । यच्छ्रेयः स्यान्निश्चितं ब्रूहि तन्मे शिष्यस्तेऽहं शाधि मां त्वां प्रपन्नम् ॥ ७ ॥ kārpaṇya-doṣopahata-svabhāvaḥ pṛcchāmi tvāṁ dharma-sammūḍha-cetāḥ yac chreyaḥ syān niścitaṁ brūhi tan me śiṣyas te ’haṁ śādhi māṁ tvāṁ prapannam Synonyms kārpaṇya — of miserliness; doṣa — by the weakness; upahata — being afflicted; svabhāvaḥ — characteristics; pṛcchāmi — I am asking; tvām — unto You; dharma — religion; sammūḍha — bewildered; cetāḥ — in heart; yat — what; śreyaḥ — all-good; syāt — may be; niścitam — confidently; brūhi — tell; tat — that; me — unto me; śiṣyaḥ — disciple; te — Your; aham — I am; śādhi — just instruct; mām — me; tvām — unto You; prapannam — surrendered. Translation Now I am confused about my duty and have lost all composure because of miserly weakness. In this condition I am asking You (Krishna) to tell me for certain what is best for me. Now I am Your disciple, and a soul surrendered unto You. Please instruct me. https://vedabase.io/en/library/bg/2/7/ Hare Krishna, herre Kristus.. 🤔 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kati Posted September 27 5 hours ago, Surya said: Perhaps it’s one and the same? An aspect of it, at least. Absolutely—at the core, our soul always aligns with what God desires. Yet, I don’t always perceive this clearly. Often, what God wants feels, to my smaller self(which is an illusion), like it opposes my own wants. For instance, God calls me to be non-judgmental, while the small self instinctively wants to judge everything around me. Thankfully, God’s infinite patience allows Him to guide me repeatedly, teaching me to release the urge to judge and embrace His wisdom instead. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kati Posted September 27 3 hours ago, Surya said: Now I am confused about my duty and have lost all composure because of miserly weakness. In this condition I am asking You (Krishna) to tell me for certain what is best for me. Now I am Your disciple, and a soul surrendered unto You. Please instruct me. oh my life in a nutshell surrender, surrender, surrender . this is why i love qigong, it naturally makes me more receptive for guidance and it teaches me to pause and go within. everything important is within, and it gives everything around me a purpose. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Surya Posted September 28 4 hours ago, Kati said: Absolutely—at the core, our soul always aligns with what God desires. Yet, I don’t always perceive this clearly. Often, what God wants feels, to my smaller self(which is an illusion), like it opposes my own wants. For instance, God calls me to be non-judgmental, while the small self instinctively wants to judge everything around me. Thankfully, God’s infinite patience allows Him to guide me repeatedly, teaching me to release the urge to judge and embrace His wisdom instead. Mhm I think these moments of.. what to call it… moments when one deeply connects with the divine are fleeting. We might be souls, but we are also man. Chimps with a divine spark. And I don’t see anything wrong with being human as well. Ofc, I understand the yearning - deeply so, but the farts of Christ is probally not that much more pleasing than ours, if you know what I mean. Self might be an concept, but at the same time… real, I believe. So, now I am repeating stuff I’ve heard and not talking from experience, but people who strike me to have that god given shine and wisdom and compassion and calm, have told me that in the spiritual realm (as they call it), they feel pure bliss, because our spirit is always complete. Think about the word holy, right. Same word as whole, I would assume (but please don’t fact check). Same as heal to, perhaps. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Surya Posted September 29 On 27.9.2025 at 9:43 PM, Kati said: my smaller self Perhaps I should’ve asked what you mean by the term, before responding? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kati Posted October 2 (edited) On 29.9.2025 at 5:55 AM, Surya said: my smaller self that is for me the aspect in me which feels seperation from everything around me. in good meditations i do experience myself as connected with everything around me and in those moments i feel like i am connected to my true self. when i am in my small self, i often feel restless and i always feel like i am driven by fear. but when i am feeling myself as the soul, the situations in which i just felt fear, dont scare me and there is trust and surrender did that clarify? i dont knwo right know how to clarify best Edited October 2 by Kati 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
