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Even if I find such a document you will say that this is wrong document

Find daoist teacher and ask him. This is only the solution

Major methods never transmitted in paper and documents. Big part of teaching is oral and energy transmission

I say what daoist teachers say. How can it be proven? Also you can try to do what scholars suggest you. After 20 years you will see how it works (or not). What I can see - old people with no energy teach other people how to....

In this case you have to go to Buddhist forums and read what scholars write to you

There is another article about withering contemplation, withered Chan. These days people are trying to achieve Dhyana with these corrupted methods. Also we know nothing about old Buddhism teaching and what exactly Buddha practiced. I saw another articles in this regard but not all of them are in English

Well it comes from daoist lineages (not even one). You can read more here: https://www.all-dao.com/difference-qigong-alchemy.html

The buddhist teaching was corrupted. The old Chan is the same as old school Dao teaching. But later all that was corrupted

If you have energy you can get Dhyana state, but no energy no Dhyana.

He is good for profane people but bad for senсere people who are looking the authentic IMA with goal of "enlightenment"

The WRONG was I wasted my pre heaven qi for that and my time and money. The older you are the less abilities you have to attain Dhyana for you waste your inborn qi level

I used to train with such a "teacher" in Dojo for 3 years who said "just let it go" (and dont forget to pay me money). I was stupid and young and I paid... But at least it was good calisthenics system (Aikido + fake tai chi + sitting)

Well, what is Zen? Zen is Japanese name for So I guess you do some Japanese exercises. And you have not got enough energy for achieving the state of Dhyana?

Have you ever read the Dao De Jing? What Dao, De and Jing mean?

One day I stumbled upon a young women who did tree stance in the yard near by a house and she was not doing it right way for she was standing with crooked spine. So I waited a little and asked her what exactly she was doing. She said this is famous tree stance from a renowned Chinese "daoist master". I said that the posture she was doing it was incorrect and the "master" is not really follower of the Daoist teaching and he is just a qigong teacher who pursues his own goals and at the final stage this is actually a shamanic method and so on. She replied that's OK as she has her own goals and she does it for the her career promotion and that this is not my business what she is doing. I walked away saying no more words... So first of all one need to define goals. Second issue is how qigong appeared and what and how much it can help

How do you think what is the purpose of the Dao teaching? And how much qigong and calisthenics can help it?

Not all qigong systems are good. 99 % of them are just sort of calisthenics. The best option is to find lineage and to follow their preparation steps prior to more advanced daoist methods

Well, all methods are secret from the beginning, some initial methods are less secret but transmission "from heart to heart" is more for advanced students. It is mostly for the seniors. Not many westerners received it. Chinese teachers dont wish to give it out outside of China

Yes they do. But this method is mostly closed for westerners. Even in China it is rare case these days

That does not mean results will be the same.

in that case it has no any relation to the "daoist discussion".

Are there any daoist lineage's methods among them?

Let me guess, you do practice from the books and videos?

It is not wrong but useless. If you want to eat banana you pick it up and eat. You dont have to call your friend in India and ask him how people eating bananas there. Of course this is interesting, but useless. May be you can ask him what sort of bananas is the best one and this would be another story. Or may be how to cook bananas. If your teacher says you to do some method you dont have to call Indian guru and ask him how he would do this method. I assure you Indian guru has no clue how to do it. Because he is attached to his system and his system of believes and his systematic approach to the enlightenment process. More over that, Indian system lost this understanding hundreds years ago

There is no need to mix these systems and look for equivalents. Chose one and follow it