Wizz

1 hour ago, Starjumper said:

 

Hey you got me cryin' here.  Limahong's name is Anand, which he signs a lot of his posts with.  Read more carefully.

I don't know him personally and I have already ignored his handle Limahong so please refrain in trying to connect me with him if this is what you are doing, I understand he is someone dear to you so please just leave it at that or I am gonna ignore your account too, there is no need for that.

4 minutes ago, Starjumper said:

 

Brother Anand can help himself but won't for your benefit.  He is someone with a pure heart, who was attacked by a lot of you 'types', resulting in a broken heart, I know the feeling.  So this is his way of sharing (and getting in your face) without giving you personal, from the heart, written words to shit on.

 

Carry on brother Anand.

 

No doubt the rest of you will 'carry on' as well.

I have no idea who are you talking about. Also how would someone with a broken heart be able to help anyone for their benefit really? Nobody needs to get in anyone's face for whatever reason they feel like, its an invasion of personal space and there is really no need for that.

Take care.

56 minutes ago, liminal_luke said:

@Wizz

 

My style is much more akin to yours, actually.  I also like coherent ideas expressed in coherent ways.  If anything, I can be annoyingly analytical.  But not everybody´s mind works the way mine does, thank God.  I´ll admit that I don´t always take the time to read Limahong´s picture posts as they sometimes don´t work for me either.  If they don´t work for you, by all means skip over them.  I just wanted to make the case for a little tolerance.  People come to this forum with a wide variety of backgrounds, aptitudes, and cognitive styles.

No worries there is quite some tolerance on my ignore list for him and alike As for how someones mind works I know everyone has his own talents I'm not here to correct anyone in person really, yet if you manage to contact me trough this forum and respond to it then well I'm inclined to respond too if I feel so and even correct. As for Limahong I never wrote anything to him first nor used his writings to respond as he did with me. First contact says a lot about you really especially on how you start and there is also a goodbye* and this is how I go about it. We are all free to respect each other and like whatever we want regarding anything anyone says and there is a forum feature for this and so is a ignore feature here for the very same reason.

People come with a wide variety of backgrounds here definitely agree and thanks for bringing that up Actually I know one of them that didn't really get skipped as he "scanned" around here free as he can be. Can't remember if any of the people here actually met him but whatever I guess.. Best to ignore trolls IMO as they tend to invade privacy space!

1 hour ago, liminal_luke said:

 

Or maybe he´s charming in a way you don´t relate to?

So what about it? He's charming alright, like seeing a grown up man actually trying to swim in a shallow stream of water, this is how charming it he is and he is sort of inviting me to chime in and relate to it and I'm like please don't this is just too crazy for me but he continues. Typical clown. I relate to coherent ideas and expressing it in coherent ways lets call them philosophical ways. Clowns are the people everyone just wants to punch in the face and even kids look down on them. There is always some type of "king" around them you don't really wanna meet imo experience. Clowns give some tidbits that are supposed to be self explanatory even for larger topics but this can't be taken as serious as they want it to be so. In the end I really can't have a serious conversation ever with a clown persona no matter how enlightened they think they are and if any conversation on their level happens it will happen only when I feel like it period but since most just can't stop but insist on their way over and over I'm inclined to ignore them. If you enjoy their company sure go ahead have fun I just don't feel like it at the moment.

Also IMO it would be way better if he created a topic of discussion for whatever he wanted to discuss and not just troll around for snippets in whole posts. I responded to Ilumairen's whole post according to the topic at hand that was taking place. If you think my effort to actually sit down and write something longer then just a couple of pictures and words is a joke then OK you will be ignored if you show it in any way. This is how I'm going about things from now on.

Take care.

21 minutes ago, Nungali said:

Another joke  ?

If you ask me nope This isn't a joke. But since you seem unsure from post to post maybe you don't care about knowing really? No need to answer.

30 minutes ago, Nungali said:

'esoteric and occult ' forum would be a better place for it .  Just start a thread .

Debatable. Not everyone is the same and not everyone has the same inclinations. I don't ask every question in public and if you think otherwise is better OK I don't.

Anyway...

Live long and prosper!

On 2/13/2020 at 5:11 PM, Limahong said:

 

On 2/13/2020 at 3:03 PM, Wizz said:

Thank you for noticing.

 

It was just conversational... and energy needs to be conserve?

 

Yes/no?

 

On 2/13/2020 at 5:38 PM, Wizz said:

 

 

How about this instead..

 

On 2/12/2020 at 5:33 PM, ilumairen said:

and then placed on me, as if I was some initiator of something only he could see, yes?

 

Still conversational?

 

On 2/13/2020 at 5:43 PM, Limahong said:

 

Conservation differs from conversation.

On 2/13/2020 at 7:03 PM, Wizz said:

 

Whatever..

23 hours ago, Limahong said:

 

 

On 2/13/2020 at 5:43 PM, Limahong said:

 

Conservation differs from conversation.

2 hours ago, Wizz said:

 

Haven't read something as stupid as this on the forum in a long time. If this is the type of nonsense you are busy with please spare your time and don't quote me, write me or address me in any way as I'm not in the faintest interested in anything you have to say or post. It's just amazing how these clowns keep appearing in every thread with the same bullshit trolling posts without ever being noticed for what they are exactly.

1 hour ago, Limahong said:

 

2 hours ago, Wizz said:

Haven't read something as stupid as this...

                       

On 2/13/2020 at 7:03 PM, Wizz said:

 

Whatever..

 

         

1 hour ago, Limahong said:

On 2/13/2020 at 3:03 PM, Wizz said:

For me to understand anything else regarding the matter I would have to know you more..

Let us have a conversation on conservation?

Looking at the history of these posts here even when asked to stop with his trolling this Limahong user obviously just can't help himself but to continue posting his incoherent bullshit. It's like trying to build a house from manure and somehow manage to post from that house right here on this forum lol. Of course on the internet forum trolls like him can pretend they never initiated a conversation as to explain something in person without being asked for a conversation to start with, they sort of manage to get away with it on public place on the forum but in reality this wouldn't really play out this way since they would be confronted with their stupidity right away. Trolls like him aren't really able to talk in pictures outside the virtual internet world but to make up for it they will instead make stupid funny sad faces while talking like the clowns they are and since they can't really stop this rather obsessive behavior which only serves so they can endlessly use talking as some kind of an achievement there is nothing more I can do for them but to put them on my ignore list which I enjoy very much doing! From there they can lurk as much as they like whatever and however I post here

Here is just a reminder for all those that somewhat think I'm supposed to give in to their worldview or be confined by it in any way:

If any of you gets some stupid trash idea that I'm sort of inclined to hold your hand and cooperate in your self indulgence and incompetence I have to tell you that I don't do any free readings nor am I at "public service" for money or whatever else as I only follow the Spirit and not the "common world" and its rules by any government, internet space, forum, dialogue, reason, nicknames or whatever "god" most of you bow and are confined to.

W.

22 hours ago, Limahong said:

 

Conservation differs from conversation.

Haven't read something as stupid as this on the forum in a long time. If this is the type of nonsense you are busy with please spare your time and don't quote me, write me or address me in any way as I'm not in the faintest interested in anything you have to say or post. It's just amazing how these clowns keep appearing in every thread with the same bullshit trolling posts without ever being noticed for what they are exactly.

1 hour ago, Nungali said:

 

As a friend of mine once told me ' I run from no one !   .... I just walk away very quickly ."

 

and yes, when i walk away VERY quickly   .... I often leave 'nuggets'  behind .

1 hour ago, Nungali said:

Ahhh, maybe you only read selected sections of my post .   I was referring to home life .  Growing up , the 'big boy gang' in my neighbourhood .    Also, my current 'communal ' abode .    And if you want further info ,  I used to do karate tournament  when younger , but I wasnt very good at it .

 

Regarding my 'magical altar ' ....    'black magic altar'   , mind you  .... if you are going to cite my detractors , at least get it right 

 

It was past tense as well ... where WAS  this altar  ?   It was inside my caravan that I lived in at the time  .... in my bed room, so to speak .

 

If you want to see more recent altars  I have constructed , in situ , in the temple I built myself, replete with the 'tools of the trade'  , there are pictures posted of it in more than one place on this site .

Thank you for sharing your past life recollections here! What is an 'magical altar ' without a magician himself! Seems to me this 'magician' here is rather constructive in his works.. Nice home life btw!

2 hours ago, Nungali said:

I am not sure what you mean .   None of this was a fantasy , although it may appear that way to you with your partial reading of what I wrote .

 

I am thinking you might be a bit reactive becasue I didnt immediately answer your PM ... which is why, for some reason you included my PM box in your ' critique '  here   and somehow think someone's PM box is a part of their fantasy  .... no , I have a real PM box    

 

I held off answering your PM and the .... lets just  say  ....  the issues involved with it  ...  until you revealed more of your nature in this thread .

 

Thanks for that .

I was really looking forward hearing from you on PM these days. We already had an exchange trough PM's in the past but since my PM contained a quote from the public part of the forum this time I was not sure if you are willing to discuss at all trough PM hence I sort of got reactive but was hoping you will recognize my intent! Thanks on that!

3 hours ago, Nungali said:

I dont know as I cant really understand what you  just wrote there ,    but it doesnt look like you got much correct .

 

Maybe if you got confused about what I did  write  here ,  you could ask a specific question about it and I could clear up your confusions about what I wrote about tense , locations , etc .

 

And since you seem to be mocking someone's interest and practice in magic  (rather strange when I consider the content of your PM )  and seem to be accusing me  above  of silly Harry Potter type stuff and other delusions , might I suggest you find some of my more serious and numerous posts on the subject to enlighten yourself with . 

LOL was joking Have had quite a few serious magic practitioners friends!

Good advice dunno how I didn't thought of that in the first place.. Really have to check your posts without getting drowned in numbers hopefully I'll manage to salvage something here. We can continue about it on the PM since there are quite a few subjects I'm interested regarding magic which I wanted to discuss if ya will?

On 2/12/2020 at 12:51 PM, EmeraldHead said:

I don't know what freaking entity keep attaching itself to me from their posts but keeping up with the posts in this thread was a drag. The entity is definitely somewhat sexual. Well probably some of the nonsense they shared in their group not too long that I was exposed to, blindly following my common sense and going into the group mentality. I have to call my lineage guardian strongly every time to clean it out. And yes I don't feel better from it. I have plenty of experience with positive entities and egregores and being juiced by egregores. I know what a dumb entity feels like and does.

 

So many systems that promote so many practices and so much framework to them. There is a reason. Be smart people. . .there is actually lot's good stuff out there that works...

This is serious.

1 hour ago, Limahong said:

 

Conservation differs from conversation.

Whatever..

6 minutes ago, Limahong said:

 

It was just conversational... and energy needs to be conserve?

 

Yes/no?

 

How about this instead..

23 hours ago, ilumairen said:

and then placed on me, as if I was some initiator of something only he could see, yes?

Still conversational?

20 hours ago, ilumairen said:

 

You do understand I was referring to a particular situation where there was no sex and no thought of sex on my part - which Jeff "read" as sexual and then placed on me, as if I was some initiator of something only he could see, yes?

 

Jeff claimed me to be having astral sex with him, at a time I was very much focused on my mundane everyday life.

I don't support this type of behavior expressed here at all. I'm pretty much against it.

For me to understand anything else regarding the matter I would have to know you more.. How you felt with everything and so on. and Jeff for that matter if I really want to judge the whole situation correctly.. This would also require the other party to know me better as well.. All this takes a lot of dedication, time and energy and sort of happens on its own accord if it even does. My account is just really a bridge just as anyone's else is and since we are all multidimensional beings lots of connections take place and managing trough all that is an art. Sometimes people don't even know what are they attracted to what type of energy and for me this is all what is it about, knowing where you go what you seek and who you seek from an energetic stand point as energy comes together with awareness they are inseparable. Also I don't think anyone should trust any person but rather just rely on energy and awareness because this is all they can really have control of which puts them right where they need to be in the drivers seat.

Ilum if the same idiocy ever finds its way to you then I say fight back until you are sure it never appears again in your own experience. This way everyone can know what energies and focus they want and what can't ever come your way whatever moment it may be in time of experience.

Just my take on it.

20 hours ago, ilumairen said:

Which brings me to a narrative I don't particularly like.. where in an individual claims astral sight, and then tells another they're doing something the individual can "see," and if there is any disagreement it is patently explained to the individual like they're a five year old that they're simply not at a level to see, and should trust in the vision of the seer and believe whatever story is being woven about them. 

 

I've seen others do this here as well, and it generally appears rather manipulative and domineering to me.

I've been in this place. I know how it feels like since I have been in the similar situation. How I dealt with it and what happened is another story and I rarely talk about it. If it ever happens again I know what to do.

In the end I say go away with the damn fucktards they are gonna end up right where they are going anyway.

20 hours ago, ilumairen said:

Is this what you believe I did, or are you speaking generally?

Not at all, wouldn't think or believe that after getting to know you this far. Was speaking generally given the fact that I have an impression Jeff worked with a wide variety of people and seems to accept anyone for that matter. I bet some of the folks gladly jumped in with their sexual fantasies

21 hours ago, ilumairen said:

Thank you for taking on a more conversational tone.

Thank you for noticing.

11 hours ago, Nungali said:

I been in plenty of fights before , I dont run away when challenged .

That is why when you go away instead of run away we call you Nuggie as you leave wise chunkie nuggets behind you

Also where did these fights took place really and where is this magical altar of yours located? Is your PM inbox also included in this game fantasy of yours and is the reason you used your magical "dynamic time" teleporter wand to teleport yourself to the forum and fight challenges from there? Is this how this game is played did I get it correctly?

6 hours ago, Pilgrim said:

So here it is 27 pages later.

 

I am going to get very real and basic in this post.

 

Jeff do you get it yet?

 

Do you?

 

You have been fucking up for years,  people do not like it.

 

You have hurt people,  you refuse to take any responsibility for your actions.

 

You were protected for a very long time by this site which was corrupted by your followers.

 

People do not like it.

 

I think you are done and you should just get on with your real life and stop serving your boredom and fantasy life. I shudder to think if your wife should become privy to your misbehavior. 

 

For years I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt even though I knew better inside.

 

My advise to you is stop now. Just stop.

 

I will never do more than be honest on this site and perhaps one other to get you to see this but you need to be careful now, very careful. 

 

This is my final word of caution I would not like to see you hurt more than this thread has.

 

Enough is enough already.

Don't pull the trigger yet son. Wait for daddy

As far as I remember this Pilgrim jumped like a little rabbit together with Karen and Dawei on Trump's thread admiring Trump's troll jokes while trying to bully ralis for days. Now actual threats even ready to follow you. Just amazing how insane he is.

25 minutes ago, steve said:

Your vision is nothing more than your mind.

 

I don't see it as my responsibility to decide if he leaves or stays.

That is his choice.

 

I mentioned a ban on all members of your group if the energy games continued here in order to protect the members from manipulative behavior.

Sean is clearly not here but ultimately has the authority and responsibility at this point to ban members.

 

I don't know what this means.

 

Yes, the pressure was placed on me.

It's interesting that even when it came to whether to stay here or not, Jeff was not willing to take that responsibility.

It was placed on me. I have no formal authority here and assume Jeff chose me because he respects my perspective.

While I appreciate that, this is something Jeff and your group need to own.

Not me.

 

Outed generally refers to exposing someone's secret.

Is that how you are using the term here?

Again, it's Jeff's choice to stay or go, say goodbye or not...

Not mine.

 

Undoubtedly, that is why I am cautious with my interactions with people.

Imagine the trace left when fucking with people's heads, sexuality, trust in deities, and so forth.

Major responsibilities that require one to actually take ownership and be accountable.

 

No problem.

It would be easy to be reactive to your flights of thought as expressed here.

Great practice for me to breath, notice my reactivity, then address your musings with kindness rather than whatever emotion pops up.

 

Great, nothing is more valuable than the ability to let go.

 

I feel the same.

The way Jeff is handled here is up to Jeff, the collective, and the administrator.

It should not be my unilateral decision.

 

 

Peace

I don't feel you got my point which was mainly for you so I agree with what you said (mostly). Thanks for answering.

Also a small correction

27 minutes ago, steve said:

I mentioned a ban on all members of your group if the energy games continued here in order to protect the members from manipulative behavior.

28 minutes ago, steve said:

Your vision is nothing more than your mind.

Not my group! Hope you are not gonna ask for my ban just because I scanned a person on this topic?

13 hours ago, ralis said:

Later on I will share my experience with energy work which was extremely manipulative. I am not referring to my experience with Jeff. My post will be prefaced by a caveat!

Are you referring to the tibetan lama you mentioned already?? Or I got a wrong impression on what you were trying to say in that post?

14 hours ago, ilumairen said:

 

Cheya, it was right on point for me. He made many claims, and I wanted some outward verification of these claims. 

 

 

Because you are not a "see'er," your interactions are reflective of his manner of responding to this. 

 

And as you've pointed out above, you are not privy to how he has interacted with others - including myself. 

 

For you it was the energy experience and not words, however with me he did paint with both images and words. And not being privy to the personal interactions you cannot (effectively for me) blanket my experience with the above assertion.

 

 

Why would there be a need to keep this "it" straight (if it wasn't a bit twisty)?

 

I do agree with the practice of staying with one's own experience, but this whole inciting winds in others... you see it as facilitation, I see it as manipulation dependent upon a narrative you must apply effort to to keep straight. 

 

 

I'm very familiar with this narrative, however one day while something not so pleasant was occurring in real life, Jeff wrote me asking about a particular sexual position he believed me to be enacting with his blonde.

 

There was no sex on my end, and no thought of sex. 

 

For myself, I tried to explain this away as his interpretation of lower chakra life stuff...

 

But this speaks to his mind interpreting things as sex.

 

And it happened more than once. 

 

 

So with you female deities were not limited to consorts, or they were still only serving to help others grow energetically?

 

I'm not sure you've answered my questions, but I'm not sure you understand them either, and I'll take the blame for this, while saying I don't know how else to ask.

 

 

I believe with some his interactions create issues, and sometimes the issues are his own.

Wait there was no sex? Damn I'm lost now I was somehow under the impressions of 3+ years old posts here that people here were having wild sexes with Jeff.. LMAO WTF is happening..

I have to tell that upon meeting Jeff in waking I had a very quick most immediate quarrel with him since he said to me something that was so weird that I lashed on him right away and he did apologize right away and said he thought I might be the kind of person that would find it funny. I brushed it off since I rarely meet a normal person nowdays  and sort of attributed it to some sort of weird humor only christians can make up. He never acted that way again but not to say there were some unusual jokes recurring again. 

14 hours ago, ilumairen said:

however one day while something not so pleasant was occurring in real life, Jeff wrote me asking about a particular sexual position he believed me to be enacting with his blonde.

I understand how this can create issues and there is nothing worse then when you are in a good state of mind and somehow all of a sudden things get extremely weird or vice versa you are feeling bad and you look for good times and get an even worse ride. I've been trough similar situations in life and I really wish nobody goes trough this. The only way preventing this happen as I see it is assuming big responsibility for your acts and being aware of how it can affect others and thrive in being better at it. This might seem an impossible task really but worth it.

It seems that Jeff is aware that some people are sexual and fuck around so he kind of offers them help in the form of energy work as to relieve their obsession. While most people especially those in marriage would feel just awkward if such work would be brought up as a suggestion it can take a spin in the wrong direction as we witnessed when people have a bad situation in life and sort of seek comfort in energy work.

I believe Jeff should state and warn that his energy can clear sexual issues if someone wants to bring the sexuality up and do such a practice and after both parties are clear that nor more issues are there they can have the inside jokes or not about it. I guess what you do with someone privately always gives free space for someone to behave as you are.

8 hours ago, steve said:

Jeff’s authority.

He asked my opinion, twice, and I offered just that - my opinion.

 

 

Jeff wanted my recommendation and he got it. I am a bit conflicted. I’ve always liked Jeff. I would like to see people who need and want help receive it. I also feel members need to be supported and heard when they feel they’ve been violated. The reactions I’ve seen from you and Jonesboy on Jeff’s behalf reinforce that. If there is a question about Jeff’s energetic work on multiple members here, I feel it should stop, at least until the membership or admin decides how it should be handled.

 

Thanks Luke

I don't see it that way nor did I get your answer as an opinion. As I see that he asked you like a man to man if you want him leave or stay to which you could replied in the pm as well, you don't have to be an owner for that and it's OK if you ask him to leave. Why? Because you were the one who spoke about bans in the first place so I guess you waited for Sean to tell him so. Again how would you even expect someone to get confined and stay? I believe you were under pressure and sort of went with the other route which is OK and the only reason I brought it up is because you were the "last man" Jeff actually discussed things here and every man should at least have a chance to say a proper goodbye as whatever happened in the past because there were good times here spent as well.

Again what if you are wrong and you outed someone not even saying a proper Goodbye? This can leave trace on you as well. I'm sorry for being too blunt at times here because I can't know everything and sort of needed to dispel some uncertainties if there were ones in the first place as I can't really deal with that much with everyone.

In the end whatever anyone decides is OK with me as I'm aware everyone has their reasons and something they fight for in their life. I believe Jeff is leaving this site and I made my statement and won't discuss it anymore as I'm done with it. I said everything I had in my mind about it.

You do what you do guys good luck!

As for the thread about astral manipulations keep going this topic definitely needs investigation!

Take care.

1 minute ago, ralis said:

So certain of yourself aren’t you? How do you know it was Jeff?

I'm glad you asked as this is a very good question. I actually wanted to write about it but waited for things to develop a bit more.

Anyway as I have been saying dream images aren't that important as energy but the way I go about confirming is actually trough asking a dream character on who it is or what kind of being it is and get an answer from them. This is sort of my double tap because I never really trust my mind completely in waking. I usually ask yes and no questions to friendly inorganic beings or sorcerers or angels in dreaming. Since with the dreaming body the one you do lucid dreaming expresses itself trough intent there is actually no real voicing happening and the beings just respond to the intent and aren't able to lie at least all the beneficial ones. Now before you take me for the word here of course you would actually need some practice to see how this works for yourself and after some time you will start to feel with your dreaming body the answers even before you ask the questions sort of as if the dreaming body itself knows already with whom it is dealing with. It takes a bit of practice so not self assured right away.

As for Jeff prior to meeting him I actually had a long astral talk with Dawei and was able to go back and forth with him about all kind of topics and then I noticed an energy line leading to this other guy - Jeff but since I never met him in waking we kind of met in dreaming yet he looked frozen in a sitting position as if he is meditating and gazing at his navel. The dream started changing there and sort of only energy remained. It stayed with me the whole day.

If someone wants to discover if some entity is hiding in a lucid dream behind a dream character you should focus your intent and see trough him or voice to show its true form. The best way imo of course is to ask them before hand if they are inorganic or if you wish "incorporeal" beings and then follow up with asking them if they are friendly. The unfriendly ones can't help but to say that they are not friendly so you will get the answer anyway but its best not to listen to anything they have to say to you and hopefully you will not be a type of sorcerer that has problems with them because they can be really pesky even follow you up in waking.

If you are interested in more about the topic of dreaming then check out "The Art Of Dreaming" book by Carlos Castaneda since it teaches how to do this.

5 hours ago, steve said:

I think I’ve already answered.

I’d ask that you refrain from engaging people here in these energetic practices.

Clearly, some are feeling violated or somehow negatively impacted. 

 

Whether you read and post here is your choice, or sean’s.

No! Under what authority are you acting as an admin here please do tell?

5 hours ago, steve said:

Clearly, some are feeling violated or somehow negatively impacted.

Valid point but this needs more investigation. It takes effort for this as self indulgent drama isn't the solution.

Maybe consider striking a mutual agreement at least until things get sorted out? Because once you evict someone for good there is no coming back..

5 hours ago, steve said:

I think I’ve already answered.I’d ask that you refrain from engaging people here in these energetic practices.

Let me get this straight no energetic scans from Jeff is that so? Even tho Jeff already channels energy to everyone else here on the forum by just being present just as in his own PPD and the person creating the OP said it was all fine with the scan you still ask for this @steve? WOW you really want to confine another person to your own standards which is quite insane. It's like putting a collar on someones neck and saying this is justified for the sake of others. What do you expect now that he will stay here under your pleases until he voluntarily leaves so you can keep on talking behind his back as if that will make good for everyone? Crazy stuff from you really..

Jeff I would be sad to see you stay under such confined conditions here and I would also be sad seeing you leave because of it. On the behalf of those that got helped and benefited during all these years on DaoBums by your energetic work and all those that are passionate about freedom and are to come on this forum I would love you to stay and feel free to act as yourself just as so many times by now and help whenever you feel help is needed when someone genuinely asks for it especially if its for their own sake. I believe this is the right thing to do and you are not alone here.

Wish you good luck!

People?

56 minutes ago, Earl Grey said:

Glad you were so helpful to her. I am sure you managed to find a suitable pair of lacey underwear that fit you snugly.

I'm married you pervert!

Here's another joke.. Last one! This time the joke is on me so no worries..

A comedian enters the stage takes and says "I won't be telling any sex jokes tonight!" Suddenly a voice from the audience responds "I want my money back".

59 minutes ago, ilumairen said:

Laughing

This is what I wrote:

"I have done my part and did dream about who Jeff is and witnessed the energy he radiates more clearly then while awake on multiple occasions."

It doesn't really matter how you see someone in a dream since dreams are always just dreams but they can also be lucid dreams which are the ones where you are aware that you are dreaming. What is important here is the energy being radiated and not really focus on the person and this should be everyone's priority since every energy has a source and nothing can really harm you once you let your energy body guide you since its exactly meant for that. With Jeff it's just easy to notice the energy either awake or dreaming. When I said that I dreamed about who Jeff is I actually saw the dream revolving around the energy and the dream itself was positively good and I managed to talk to him and hear from him what he is about along the dream telling me the story itself as a response to my intent.

Now I will say more on the type of "seeing" possible be done when awake. While awake most people are using the mental body as their primary energetic self and this body has its own "third eye" capabilities and can see energy trough imagination but the flaw of this body is that it selects only those features of the energy body confined to its identity or the persona. While the dreaming body itself "sees" energy only if you intend it so and sometimes if the energy is just so strong "seeing" happens on its own sort of more as an appearance of seeing rather then actual seeing but how you feel this energy is unmistakable since its real and not merely a dream. Also since in dreaming your usual mind/persona isn't active then what you dream isn't tainted with your internal dialogue projections that you have when awake so everything is far more clear there then while awake.. Its one of the advantages of the dreaming body. Also the dreaming body itself sees energy as very energetically powerful energy lines which are self aware. If you can activate the dreaming body while awake and dream awake and even use the dreaming body to see energy this is a very good thing.

1 hour ago, ilumairen said:

Both Bindi and myself have done just what you are suggesting nobody has done..

What exactly is that? Would be nice to read about it. I have read Bindi's account on seeing the energy body here on this thread and find it to be a good valid experience on seeing energy.

1 hour ago, ilumairen said:

Interesting your dream work is taken as affirmation, while another's waking experience is written off as a dream..

 

but I suppose the word "fucktards" is some special magical word somehow meant to strengthen your assertions and we should tremble at your astuteness..

Maybe stop supposing this much? Your horns might enlarge to universal heights..

5 minutes ago, Earl Grey said:

 

Don't worry, I won't kink-shame you so long as you're not imagining me as some Asian woman with bleached blonde hair and big breasts, being the Jeff acolyte that you appear to be. 

Let me tell you a joke about an Asian women with bleached blonde hair and big breasts.. One sunny day a sage walked down the road and beside the road he saw a busty Asian women with a failed car engine. So he approached to see if he can help her out since once in his past he was a mechanic himself and she agreed on his help so he started working on the engine. Once the car got fixed she felt embarrassed as she didn't have any money at the time so she offered him the necklace to which he said "No please my students what would my students think.." then she offered him her watch to which he pointed that he already has one to keep track of time. Desperate the woman started unclothing her panties and the sage said.. "No please they are not my size!"

4 minutes ago, Earl Grey said:

 

How flattering--I didn't know that I was your type. 

You fucktard!!

2 minutes ago, Earl Grey said:

 

Right, if you don't see it or it's not blogged or reported on, it's not happening. Sounds like someone who doesn't understand how both the metaphysical forces work or how even intelligence agencies work.

 

 

You don't have much skill or understanding of the skills, let alone how there are many levels of third eye, which are not the point here with your straw man argument, but that what I am saying is it does not take a genius to see the abuse of power.

 

 

More straw man arguments and putting words in my mouth. I gave context and now you presume that I am a spiritual parent. Quite condescending and immature of you.

 

 

Distasteful is the level of false comparisons and the lack of understanding of both legal procedures and cosmic law. It's like you learned everything from a reddit forum with the bold and absolute certainty you have.

 

 

I don't need to defend myself with what you presume here again--I had no interest in being a mod at all and was invited persoally by dawei. I actually saw none of the abuses because I had my own understanding of things until they got worse, so nice try attempting to use the benefit of hindsight on someone who had no idea what was going on at the time. 

 

 

"Lying about myself to you" - translation: Wizz projects himself onto Earl Grey and anything that contradicts this is a lie by Earl Grey and nothing to do with what Wizz's sick little mind is assuming.

 

 

I see you are proudly uncircumcised since you love the elephant trunk.

 

 

Pedantic definitions were used for the sake of convenience, but I can go much more elaborate than that. 

 

 

I have no idea what you are saying here or how you made this ridiculous conclusion.

 

 

With your logical leaps, you play hop-scotch with the planets. 

 

You really need to go outside of the straw man and reduction to absurdity arguments--they are weak and make you sound pathetic.

 

 

Ask yourself about that because it seems you're more interested in appearing witty (but only sounding like a self-important asshole) and so sure of yourself that you reject any other view besides your own. 

You are a retard.

2 hours ago, Earl Grey said:

 

A few people have investigated and had communication privately. 

 

There's also a concept known as perfect timing--never too early or too late to have maximum effect. 

 

Yes one of them is me but not much others here yet you post the most. Someone else doing something somewhere very important stuff but not yourself proves something? Can you even prove that you exist beside speaking about what others are doing? What I'm trying to say is I'd like to know about this investigation just as anyone and would be glad if someone provided their methods on how did they did it, how good they are at recognizing other "entities" etc and who are these people in the first place?

2 hours ago, Earl Grey said:

False comparison fallacy. Both the bait and switch and lack of informed consent forms of abuse in addition to the lack of personal boundaries are not natural, they are signs of megalomania and deceit. It is akin to Hansel and Gretel being invited into a gingerbread and candy house only to find out the owner who seems to be generous actually is a cannibal who wants to eat them, and you are basically saying that people should know that Jeff is a spider and they should know it's a spider's web and they are his prey. What you are instead saying is that it's not so bad, which is false.

I'm saying that anyone with capabilities can alone with more ease access a deity or an angel trough standing close to Jeff without even doing any practices with him nor him knowing what is going on. This makes him safe and no deity will harm you since we all know deep inside how to relate to them what you are spreading is just fear based on 0 experience. If you look around Jeff with your astral eyes you will see all kinds of positive energy beings. Something you can just dream about!

2 hours ago, Earl Grey said:

Except many who are searching don't know enough to discern, much like children who are manipulated by abusers are groomed to accept what is fundamentally abnormal and abhorrent as acceptable and blaming themselves. Here, you are joining in the abuse cycle by using the victim-blaming variety, which itself is also derived from the logical fallacies of both ad hominem and straw man. 

 

Not everyone is fully developed or experienced enough to recognize this immediately, so you're basically saying that "Life is tough and you will get abused, you should know it and toughen up" and saying that to people who are essentially spiritual infants makes it questionable if your parenting skills or your experience as an actual adult have been borne of any empathy.

It's crazy that you pity "many who are searching" as if they are incapable of handling themselves as if you can correctly judge people which is just your own pity projection upon folks. Nobody needs your self pity let alone help that is based on that. Its also easy to throw such remarks on empathy and speak like this on the internet while hiding who you really are and how abused you actually are. Let alone judge who is a "spiritual infant" - one of the most stupid things I have read here so far. Some people just wake up and that's it, they certainly don't need you the "spiritual parent" to hold their infant hands

3 hours ago, Earl Grey said:

Do that thou wilt in your own forum, but understand in this forum that people come here not expecting to be abused and manipulated by Jeff and other predators or scammers.

I'm perfectly aware of that. Also shouldn't you blame the owner Sean since he allowed for all the abuse in the first place? Wouldn't it be better to deal with Jeff directly either trough court or other institution if it's that serious and sort of spare everyone else from the crossfire? This is just distasteful..

Oh wait now I remember you.. You are that guy that kept hiding under the wings of Karen and Dawei when I was fighting for unjustice being done upon Taomeow. Yeah I remember you, you never went trough but you kept hiding sort of getting trough it with your witty political clown responses. I wouldn't be surprise if you secretly hoped to suck it up to the mods and become one of them at the time but Shiva stopped you right in your tracks. Otherwise you never seemed to have a problem with Karen and Dawei as people nor admins executing their will and now you are speaking "common sense" that any gang member can say and use as an excuse for evicting a person or doing personal attacks!

As far as I remember the moment I met Karen and Dawei I investigated Jeff right away as I was already introduced to the drama and knew that I should do that in order to make good for others and I never hid my exploration and shared them for no other reason than that. Read this as many times you need until you stop wondering and lying to yourself about me.

3 hours ago, Earl Grey said:

 

Your spirit based on your one post here shines about as bright as an elephant ass sphincter, given that it displays no empathy or consideration and understanding for those who have endured the mental and emotional abuse by Jeff and his cult, or the circumstances that led them to his bait and switch for people who needed a community to support them and system to help them evolve, but instead got caught up in perversity and psychic vampirism.

 

If you enjoy the kinks of it, then that is your preference, but it does not apply to everyone else. That's like wanting to go into the video rental store hoping to check out a new children's movie and picking up violent and perverse films like Fritz the Cat or Urotsukidoji, and before you say, "Well, the ratings are on the back of the box! You should have known!" they were placed in the children's section by a long-time employee named Jeff who personally checked it out and said "It's perfectly fine! It's good for the family!" without explaining he could have been referring to either the Manson or the Donner families. 

What do you have against elephant ass sphincter?? It exudes quite a shining warmth for your blind eyes! Love thee elephant you blind fool!

Haha you don't know what a cult is since your wikipedia definition can be applied to literally every home and family out there. Cult is never that open to everyone so you can't really go in and out as you please.

3 hours ago, Earl Grey said:

Too easy to blame a victim, too easy to support abuse than it is to place yourself in someone else's shoes when you believe you have power and forget others have very limited abilities or skills themselves.

I was also a victim in my past of various influences and I know one of the best things one can do is grow out of it assume responsibility and forgive! Also I do support fighting for your soul if that is what you guys want at the moment then OK but I have a very good reason to say that people need to fend for themselves. Yet you think you are smarter then that. You rather spread demons and entities which you have no clue about and then say its others that got caught up in it, this is how smart you are.. Why don't you just drop it instead? 

With your logic I bet you that none of the posters on this forum wouldn't be even be able to find a hospital or a court outside their home but instead they would inadvertently walk into a coffeshop and log into DaoBums seeking for professional help Of course you would be outside the door operating with your political powers LOL

PS

What if you are wrong.. What then?