Jeff

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  1. [DDJ Meaning] Chapter 60

    The Feng version is very good for this chapter... SIXTY Ruling the country is like cooking a small fish. Approach the universe with Tao, And evil will have no power. Not that evil is not powerful, But its power will not be used to harm others. Not only will it do no harm to others, But the wise will also be protected. We will not hurt one another, And the Virtue in each one of us refreshes everyone.
  2. Energy flows during meditation?

    You are building up energy flows in your meditation and it is spilling over into your subconscious. The shaking or erection and ejaculation is a natural thing. I would suggest that you move beyond simple mantra meditation into something else that moves the energy thru your body. You have basically just out grown your current practices. All good stuff.
  3. creating karma

    I am really just trying to make the distinction of the differences in thoughts on Karma and the nature of desires between different traditions. The Tao Te Ching would agree with Buddha regarding being desireless... Chapter 1 ... Ever desireless, one can see the mystery. Ever desiring, one can see the manifestations. These two spring from the same source but differ in name; This appears as darkness. Darkness within darkness. The gate to all mystery. Chapter 64 ... People usually fail when they are on the verge of success. So give as much care to the end as to the beginning; Then there will be no failure. Therefore the wise seek freedom from desire. They do not collect precious things. They learn not to hold on to ideas. They bring people back to what they have lost.
  4. creating karma

    Depends on your view, but this discussion is taking place in the Buddhist forum, and most people seem to be talking about the Hindu version and definition of Karma. To me, buddha is very clear about it... But the master guards his watching. It is his most precious treasure. He never gives in to desire. He meditates. And in the strength of his resolve He discovers true happiness. He overcomes desire - And from the tower of his wisdom He looks down with dispassion Upon the sorrowing crowd. -Dhammapada
  5. creating karma

    Again, you are trying to define some sort of spectrum where some types of likes (good) and dislikes (bad) are ok, but some where it is a really big like (craving) are not ok. My point is that it is all same thing, a desire is a desire, being a strong desire or not is just some sort of arbitrary judgement on the spectrum. Such arbitrary judgements will then also be based upon the local society beliefs at the time. Like with a smoking addiction, back in the 1950s everyone was doing it, so by society’s definition it is a norm (just like breathing) and obviously not an addiction.
  6. creating karma

    My point is really about conscious as compared to subconscious desires. The way you are describing karma, it would seem to almost simply down to guilt or not with some act, as you are saying it is not based upon acting on a desire. My point is that there are many subconscious desires (like addiction to smoking) that effectively create karma. I am not saying that a realized person cannot act or the realization goes away. But, any ongoing attached behavior (addiction like), is a sign that one is still in the land of subconscious desire. But, I understand that my definition is different than the classical Hindu view of karma and realization.
  7. creating karma

    Yes, the binding and non binding karma concept would be consistent with other threads where in Hindu traditions one can be realized (Jivamukta) while still addicted to cigarettes and stuff. In other traditions, there is no such thing as non binding karma. There is either karma or not karma.
  8. creating karma

    Sure, I get it. In that context there are really no other people as everything is just an aspect of Brahman. Hence, karma would only be a local mind thing and what you are consciously aware of. So if you dont feel guilty about an act (did it for sheer pleasure), then there is no karma result. But, since I see other sentient beings as “existing”, there is effectively a broader karmic aspect beyond the individual view. An obvious example would be if you had sex with someone for the sheer pleasure of it and got someone pregnant. I would say the act (of sheer pleasure) had a huge karmic impact to others and in the world (and that original subconscious desire would come back to you as karma big time ).
  9. creating karma

    In my view, there is no such thing. Where there is pleasure, there is the inverse absence of that pleasure (and hence suffering). What you would call “pure pleasure”, would for me just be subconscious desires being acted out. Someone desires sex, and they go for it. There are obvious karmic impacts on a broader level to acting on that desire, even if you consciously think it was just for the pleasure. But, thank you for the discussion, this has helped me better understand the Gita.
  10. creating karma

    Yes, that is exactly my point.
  11. creating karma

    So then in the Gita view, theoretically a psychopath who is a mass murderer and just enjoys killing for the sheer pleasure of it, incurs no karma? To me, the war example is a different case.
  12. creating karma

    Very interesting. So if someone has sex with a partner and just does it for the pleasure, there is no karma with it? Or, if someone kills someone just for the pleasure of killing, you would say there is no karma with it?
  13. creating karma

    When you act with intent you create karma. Karma is the ongoing cause and effect of that intent. Works sort of like the law of motion in physics... A body in motion stays in motion...
  14. Did you not recently post that Nirvikalpa Samadhi was not useful? And this guy just constantly stays there? Hence, my confusion on the logic. My point is that it is really not a pure mind in this case as the son was obviously filled with desire to be a king as the text describes... When he grew up, he heard that I had once been a king. He wished to be one also and besought me to grant his prayer. I initiated him in yoga, which he practised with such success that he was able by the force of his will to create a world of his own in this hill which he is now ruling. To me, this would not be purity in Self, as the kid wanted to have the same kind of power over people like his dad did when he was a king. Also, his dad helps him to realize his wish, rather than point out that none of it is real. Again, my confusion on the logic.
  15. Very cool. While I would probably describe it a little differently, I would agree with your description of the very ancient and ever young goddess supporting/stabilizing the earth realms. That would be a very interesting discussion if you are ever interested.
  16. Very interesting. How did you come to that conclusion?
  17. Like with 3bob's question, it is not really apples to apples comparison. My question was about how such would fit in the AV/Hindu framework, as it would seem to be logically inconsistent. The text describes samahdi as some sort of totally gone space where your wife can have sex with you and you don't notice. And then one is pulled back to the real world from that place. That kind of view is very different from other traditions. But, in general, I definitely agree that it is possible to create what I would call a pocket universe like the text describes. Many traditions have such capability, and even form sort of astral schools in those realms.
  18. In Sutra, it is described as something to avoid, as it is considered being trapped in a "god realm". In such a place, one eventually uses up all of their "good karma" and comes crashing back down just like the example S1va gave. But, in variants like Pureland Buddhism, in theory a buddha creates a realm to bring his followers to when they die and finish off their process.
  19. Makes sense as such a creation would sort of be within one's own "mind space". Hence easy to get caught up in it and have it all come crashing down.
  20. I also have to agree that I having some confusion with the above passsages. It seems to mix a lot of concepts, that dont seem to be consistent. If someone was realized, why would create some artificial world where they can be king/god over others in the first place? That would seem to be the ultimate ego trap. Also, the text seems to be saying that samadhi is some state where you are so unaware/out of it, that your wife can have sex with you and you dont notice it. That the wife brought him out of it after the child was born.
  21. Does body frame or build affect chi capacity

    Very cool that you could feel/sense it, and yes, I could feel your return hug connection. It makes sense that your mind would translate it into something like you feel when you are meditating, but what you have done is a little different than that. Maybe think of it more like you are consciously accessing the "higher mental" space you touch on when meditating, making it easier for you to actually feel/sense the energy.
  22. Does body frame or build affect chi capacity

    Yes, it is not about forcing, maybe think of it more like exploring the body region and being curious. Sort of simply reside in it. As an example, I am going to send you an “energy hug” now. As you read this message, just relax and see what you can feel or sense. If you get something, you get it. If you don’t, you don’t. Just a game and be curious, no winning or losing.
  23. Does body frame or build affect chi capacity

    Sure on a potential blockage. Until much later stages, one does not really feel the chi (movement). It is much more that you feel the resistance to movement of the chi hitting some obstruction. In normal mind terms, obstructions are subconscious issues and fears that block the flow. Flow increases with letting go of these issues and fears (karma). So rather than a tightness or clenching, a good flow would feel more like an “unclenching”. At a mental level, rather than pushing or forcing, it is like you now have more mental space or room to move.
  24. Does body frame or build affect chi capacity

    Welcome to the bums. Some answers for you below... Yes, it is sort of measurable and there is a theoretical maximum one can store. The female energy body can actually store more than a male one (at the same relative level). Physical body size has nothing to do with chi/energy. Chi is stored at the energy body layer/level. You hopefully realize beyond the concept of the local body mind, otherwise your capacity/ability is limited. The Tao Te Ching chapter 28 describes the higher stages. A full body would be like the beginning where you “know the strength of a man”. It is unlikely that it would feel like a tightness at the stomach. But, at early stages it can sometimes feel like temperature changes. More commonly it feels a vibrational feel.
  25. Gospel of Thomas

    I would agree and that is why I did the mapping to the Taoist text. But, in some cases the GOT is easier to understand.