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That analogy does help....

So does anyone else have information on how or where you can learn the Tibetan system that contains Trul Khor and Tummo?

To me the Tibetan Buddhist Yoga system that includes the Trul khor and Tummo methods looks like an awesome Yoga system.

Much remains secret though and you're not going to learn real tummo from a book, and the specifics vary depending on which lineage you learn it from.

What are the different lineages that teach Tummo?

Unfortunately it would seem the teachings on that site are only being taught in Europe at this time...

Here's another Kundalini Yoga video, I dont like their breath of fire as much, but many exercises are shown well and clearly-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnbzxMsjbIk

A lot of info on that site, thank you.

Earlier I made a thread about Tibetan Monks abilities to use meditation to generate heat in their bodies, to melt snow around them, or to dry freezing wet sheets wrapped around their body until the sheets start steaming and become totally dry. This was an impressive demonstration. However, in those videos, no actual methods used by Tibetan monks were shown or disclosed. So here is some footage I was able to find online that shows actual Tibetan Yoga and meditation methods, used by Tibetan monks.

Documentary about Tibetan Yoga Masters-

Here is a very good, detailed video, where a practice is shown that they call "Tru Khor" (spelling?). This is the only video I know of where it is shown to the public-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEFCbZwT40A

Here is a very interesting video! It claims to be Tummo meditation, and it is similar to the methods shown in the previous videos. What I am extremely interested about here however, is that it is a demonstration by a Westerner. I did not know that westerners could learn these practices, without becoming monks, or if they even could become monks-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNjiHNUMKdY

Tibetan monk explains what is happening in Tummo practice-

The Tibetan method of Relaxation-

Does anyone have any information on the westerner in the Tummo video? Or how a westerner can learn this system of Tibetan Yoga/meditation?

A lot of people will say, "Why dont meditation masters show something tangible, a benefit or an ability that can be demonstrated and verified?"

Well.....here is one!

Meditation/Science, Ch'i/Chi/Qi/Ki - Bio-energy under scientific test conditions

Video showing scientific tests performed on Buddhist monks' ability to regulate their bodies, calm the mind, change skin temperature, and to dry icy wet sheets wrapped around their body with their minds and Qi energy. They are wrapped in ice cold wet sheets that could cause a normal person to die from hypothermia, and they make them start steaming. This is the Yoga of Inner Heat, or Tum-mo meditation.

Meditation/Science, Ch'i/Chi/Qi/Ki - Bio-energy under scientific test conditions

Article in the Harvard Gazette about scientific tests performed on the Tum-mo meditation abilities of Buddhist Monks. Meditation changes temperatures:Mind controls body in extreme experiments

Harvard Gazette: Meditation changes temperatures

Here is another clip of a Tai chi throw, the internal part IMO is that he is using his center, his core, to do it, and not purely technique

No offense at all, but yes, you are completely wrong about what Internal martial arts are.

IMA means Taijiquan, Xingyiquan, and Baguazhang.

Some people believe the term internal comes about because 3 masters, 1 in each of those arts, decided to combine their schools and cross train with each other. So those became the 3 arts internal to their combined schools.

Other people think internal means arts with a Daoist influence to them, meaning Daoism is internal to China, where Buddhism would be external to China.

However, I dont think these theories are strictly correct. Internal means development of internal aspects such as the Mind and Breathing. Different internal martial arts have different methods, but the one underlying trait is the specific use of the Dantien and core to lead all external movements.

You can see in this video, the man has a stick placed at his dantien, his center of gravity, and you can see how he literally and specifically is using his dantien to move the person on the other end of the stick-

So if empty force is not internal then what is it?

It's not legitimate martial arts. It's students who want to worship their master, or are pressured by the social dynamics to act things out and go along with it. Suggestion, hypnosis, placebo, whatever else you want to call it.

You just can't fight someone without touching them.

Longer version of the first introduction video-

No it was not IMA, meaning Internal Martial Arts, and IMA does not do no touch stuff.

All we can really go by is the video label, which says it is just "Kiai". That is a japanese term, not a chinese one.

Nope....it's December 2012

lol,ok I didnt know.But that was the only ima artist I found who was willing to fight.

Those were not "ima artists". Those were practitioners of.... I dont even know what. Either some sort of Japanese kiai practice like its labelled as, or perhaps just people with cult followings who made things up.

IMA generally refers to the chinese fighting arts of Taijiquan, Xingyiquan, and Baguazhang.

I mean no offense, and no ill will.

My experience is that when an alleged internal martial artist talks about empty force, lama thunderbolts, Ki blasts, and dim mak, it is just someone who never got the real fighting skills, meaning striking, grappling, schuai chiao, qinna, etc. but they want to act like they are knowledgable or are teachers, so they obscure and confuse people about what internal martial arts are and how they are applied.

A lot of real internal martial artists have a big problem with people who promote empty force and dim mak, and have been willing to step up and show that empty force is not effective fighting, or even real.

Im reacting emotionally?

I never thought of Jiu Jitsu as being sacred....

I am simply going to state my points a simply as I can......

1. A good wrestler/grappler will beat a good boxer/stirker

2. Grappling has a lot of value in the ring or the street

3. Real fighting, and real internal martial arts for that matter, have nothing to do with dim mak, empty force, and all those types of tricks

4. No fighter, or martial art technique, is invincible

Thanks for that site. I watch UFC sometimes, but I dont usually like it quite enough to pay 49.99 to watch it haha.

That is definitely true.

I dont mind a little glorification, lol

But I do like to know about the art I practice. If I dont get to see a real lineage chart, I at least like to have a general idea of the history of the art. It can help put the art into context for me, help me understand how it developed, help me understand what its really about, and make me more interested.

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Yeah at 03:10 First video Breath of Fire!

 

My wife recognized this immediately we saw the film about 18 months ago... so inspiring

Thanks for the jump start!

Definitely Yoga that Rickson is doing. Yet it's so cool because it really is mixed in with Jiu Jitsu movements, especially on the beach.

It's Yoga and Jiu Jitsu combined, which I find really cool.

It is important to remember that BJJ and MMA are designed for sport matches.

MMA perhaps, BJJ no. BJJ contains both sport and self defense training. In BJJ self defense, weapons and multiple attackers are considered and trained for.

On the street, in an alley with lots of broken glass, the last thing you want to do is roll around on the ground.

Where the fight goes may not always be your choice. Especially if fighting someone strong, skilled, or multiple people. If you are on the ground, Jiu Jitsu can only help you, in the street or the ring. Also, grappling has value standing up, takedowns, throws, and clinching/stand up grappling.

The fact also remains, even chinese internal martial arts such as Tai chi and Bagua incorporate a lot of grappling and Schuai Chiao. Why would they do this is they could just win fights with "dim mak" and things like that?

But more often than not, you are fighting multiple opponents who may be armed.

The more serious the challenge, the more broad of a skillset you need. There are no techniques that are 100% effective all the time against everyone.