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One of my teachers used to say, "when people say 'always,' 'never,' 'everybody,' 'nobody,' and so on, they are talking about a feeling of theirs that is 'always' there, 'never' goes away, is projected onto 'everybody,' and can be dissuaded against by 'nobody.' " Which is why I'm not going to argue.

 

One thing for you to consider though. When I'm talking about shamans, I'm not talking about "them" anymore. Not from the outside looking in.

 

You told me I was addicted to nostalgia, now I'm addicted to the spirit world? Do I have anything at all going on with me that isn't an addiction?..

 

I am addicted to only one thing: feeling alive. If I die, this will cause me to get addicted to feeling dead. What I hope to never be though is being addicted to feeling dead while being alive. Everything else goes.

WOW...

That was beautiful!!!

Thank you... Mel

There's more reasons for demonic attacks:

 

1. Unskilled, careless, or over-zealous use of healing powers with insufficient self-protection. Entities can jump from the cured party to the healer. This can happen to the best of the best -- a side effect of compassionate care for others while neglecting one's own safety.

 

2. Being known in the spirit realm as a Warrior, an exorcist, an enemy of the demons. Again, a case of the best of the best placing themselves in harm's way, for causes of the greater good.

 

3. Dabbling in OBE, astral projection, trance states and the like. In the taoist tradition, one only does that after having learned how to guard the body while the spirit leaves it and goes roaming elsewhere. Anyone not trained in these counter-trespassing techniques is at a great risk of an entity (or a whole bunch) chancing upon a vacant body and squatting.

 

4. Temptation into abandoning the right path, as in the case of Buddha, Jesus, and scores of others who had to staunchly resist a whole host of demons trying to seduce, scare, or otherwise distract them away from their quest.

 

And of course there's many more, which is why I would advise against assuming that anyone bothered by anything spiritually questionable -- up to the worst kind of demon -- is being punished for having done something wrong or for "being someone wrong" for that matter. Not nearly always. Sometimes. But much of the time, the reason is something entirely else.

Hi there,

Thank you... I don't have any bad intent that I know of... But have I sinned, sure. I try not to. But at last I have failed. I pick myself back up, and try and do better next time...

Yes... I would say out of all your examples. Most likely it started with the Ouija board. Because I would go to astral plain without trying, wake up watching myself vibrating trying to enter astral plain, OBE. This is what got me interested in my couple of trips, I have went on. In wondering what was happening...

But my body has seemed to shut itself down to any such things, so far... When I was taken to the astral plain the first time a year or so ago. I was sexually assaulted... Couldn't see anything, but it said "you belong to me now." I will never forget those words.

Time went by, and I have tryed to forget that... I would run into people talking about there trips there, and how beautiful they where. So I figured it can't be all as bad as what had happened to me. And I have seen it. And it is not.

But my body is not letting me go. Most likely protecting itself. since I didn't seem to see the danger the first time, I do now by the way...

I do appreciate you making the point, it could not of been my fault, Just good intent, without the right knowledge. I believe this is right. I don't think beating myself up any more does serve any purpose, but maybe to help them out... Right?

Thank you again... Melanie

I used pickling salt from the section of the store that has home canning supplies. It's a pure fine-grained salt without anti-caking ingredients or other stuff that you might not want in your kim chee or your sauerkraut.

Hi,

Ok I will look for this, picklng salt... Home canning...That would be good to try... I would rather be bruised and released than held onto. I am not sure if I need this. But can't hurt...

Thank you... I will let you know if something happens... Melanie

P.S. I am happy for you they got off of your body, doesn't belong to them...

First thing I want to say is don't be so hard on yourself . I KNOW your intentions were good, as were mine. I know right, you see the thing in Toy's R Us and a game board like box and think, oh fun!! Each of us has a Tao to follow, and so everything we encounter on our Tao is for a reason. If for people like us who are good intentioned but ill informed stumbeling across this stuff and having to deal with it is in our Tao, then thats just the way it is for some reason which will only make sense at some point in the future. No need to be mad at yourself, or embarassed, it just is what it is .

As far as passing stuff on to our kids I got a story. My first daughter was born with this really big birth mark on the side of her thigh. I read Rober Bruce's psychic self defence book, and he had mentioned drawing ink drawings around skin blemishes and often times they would go away. I don't know why this is, but thought I'd give it a try. So I drew a large circle with a regular ball point pen around my daughter's birth mark, with a cross through the center. It was so weird, but it actually shrank to half its original size. Then I got distracted with life and stopped, but I ponder if I were to continue if I could totally remove it?

P.S. you can feel free to PM me if there are other aspects you'd like to discuss about this, as I have had to deal with a lot of this myself due to my own Ouiji board experiences. Best of luck

Matthew

Thank you so much Matthew,

You are so kind. I understand what you are saying. We go through these things for some reason to learn a lesson. It is strange how some people mess with these things and have no trouble, while others attract trouble from it. Like a mouth to a flame...

Nothing has done anything towards me, in a long time. So lets hope, and pray, it stays that way. I do need to read, and pray, more...

That is a cool a story about your daughter, mine has a little one "birthmark" on her backside. I think they are cute. Someone said to me they are Angel kisses. I don't know about that. But it is a sweet idea. But it is good not to be to big. So that helped...

Hopefully all will stay calm, if not I might take you up on that pming... But so far so good...

Take care Melanie

I noticed you said these odd skin blemishes began a couple years ago, and you said a couple years ago you messed with a Ouiji board. I'm sure you were not aware of this at the time, but messing with a Ouiji board is the equivilant of painting a big red target on yourself in the spiritual realm and saying "attack me please". If one is unfortunate enough to mess with one, it should not be thrown away but disposed of in a proper ceremony (what that ceremony is, I don't know, but there is one). When I was in high school I dabbled with one, and after that the house I lived in got way spooky. I also about this time grew an odd bump on the back of my right hand (my ouiji board hand) that I still have to this day, and no dr. seems to know what it is.

As far as moles and blemishes go, its not to say that all moles are of a spiritual nature, but IMO a lot of them are. The sad thing is, is that if a demon or what not has attached itself to a person in a family, it can pass these attachments on to their children, even while they are in the womb. I suppose that is why the bible talks about curses being passed on for many generations.

I have heard of these Puerto Rican exorsists who are very effective at removing bad spirits by casting them into a coconut, which I suppose is similar to a gourd. So I suppose if you have a real problem, there are people out there that specialize in getting rid of such things. I'm not really sure how to find them, but they are out there.

Hey,

Thank you... I hate to think I could of hurt my little eight year old daughter by messing with that stupid Ouija Board. I was reading way after I threw it away. That I was to burn it, and put it in the ground. Lord they sale that thing at Toy's R"Us in bright pink for our daughters.

You are right. I know you are. Because I have several other reasons that can confirm that you are. But I will keep them to me for now. But I wish, "I'm sorry" would work... To bad I was so stupid. I have a lot of company at least...

Parker Brothers sales them like hot cakes...

You know it makes me think... I wonder what the original intent of the original maker of that was. Must of not been good... Because my intent was good. I wanted to speak to my Angel, or Guide... No kidding. I even prayed first. I would never do anything evil on purpose...

I will keep an eye out for these people you talk about. I can find things pretty good.. There are just so many lieing people that just want to take your money, it is sad... I was so fortunate to run into that one man at the Mall...

Thank you, again... Melanie

P.S. It is embarrassing to admite all this. So I do not make it up... Nothing has harmed me, to bad. I am a very positive person for the most part. And I do read and pray, I need to more... This has keeped things down. But I can smell them when they come around... Weird I know, can't see a thing. But have a good nose...

The most effective 'weapon' for 'fighting' off any invasion, be it physical or psychical, is a good heart. You may not prevent the attack, but trust me, you will heal faster. And the faster you heal, the stronger your spiritual resistance will build, until there comes a time when these demons will turn into angels when in your presence. All evils will be pacified in the presence of one whose heart is pure... ever hear this?

 

If all else fails, buy yourself an ectoplasmic vacuum cleaner?

 

Seriously.

Hi there,

I think this is true also... I believe with a good heart we can overcome in the way you say. With LOVE...

Thank you Melanie

I've heard before that moles and other bumps on the skin can be physical points of attachment for these things. That is why during the middle ages witch hunts they would check the bodies of alleged witches for such things as "proof" that they were witches.

It has been my personal observation that very often the more sexually permiscuous a person tends to be the more moles they have on their bodies. When you have sex with a person you can also pick up any spiritual attachments that they may have as well. I suppose this is why so many of the ancient holy texts that we in the 21st century think of as "kill joy" rules of an outdated era had various regulations in regards to sexual activity.

Hi there,

This is strange you say this... I have just in this past year had problems with these pimple type places that will come up on my face, more like a bite it will never come to a head. It will leave a scare on my face, if I mess with it.

I know this sounds just like anything anyone could have. But this is different. I have had beautiful skin my whole life clear no problem. I am 40 this coming year.... I don't know one goes away, one comes. And to be scaring my face. Not bad yet But if the problem keeps on, it could be sad for me...

And I take very good care of myself. And am very clean, so it is not that. It is almost as a bite. If I mess with it. Way at the bottom. Is like a black stuff, not blood. But under the blood. I know this is gross sorry. But my pretty skin will be ruined by this, sad...

At first face, then that stopped, then right shoulder, now face and chest. Only one at a time and then as soon as one clears up and it could take a month. Another comes...

As far as moles. I was born with them. And my daughter has them too she is a little girl. They where on my neck, they have been removed a long time ago...

I am no witch, but in the past. I messed with things that could of brought me problems. Like pendulum. And one time about two years ago Ouija board, just like one week. And in the trash it went. I have always been curious of this type of thing. But I have decided to not mess with it...

I read my Bible and pray every day. And always have... I know this all sounds confussing. I guess i was. Now I just hope and pray my messing with that crap hasn't brought me a problem I can not get ride of...

I will keep at my prayer, and reading. And stay away from that kind of thing... My be this can also help someone else as a reminder not to mess with these things. And save them, from the trouble I have brought on myself... I will try and live better, and do the best I can...

Take care, Melanie

HAH! Am I glad to find this topic.

 

I came in here tonight with a question about demons or spirits or etheric boogers or whatever. I've been having health problems and some friends suggested a salt scrub in case I had some spiritual parasites. I don't believe in them, but in any case a salt scrub seemed like a good idea to exfoliate any dead skin cells.

 

Anyhow, I started at the top of my head and scrubbed with salt all the way down to soles of my feet. It felt like some entity was dislodged from the back of my neck and got washed away with the salt. It's now 9 hours later and I notice am bruised all over from the waist up...no visible marks but I feel exactly like I was beaten with sticks all over my arms and my back and front. Ewwww. I don't want to believe in etheric things attaching themselves to me. WTF?

Hi there,

This is good to know. I knew about salt baths but they don't seem to do the trick... I have had an attachment before. I think it hurts for them to be without a body in some cases if they are spiritual in nature, and thats why they do this.

It seems that there are different types of attachments. I know at one time in my life I felt like something was hanging on my back, and I could just picture it like a monkey Demon. This oriental man at the mall, that gives massages saw me and insisted to work on my back. He got it. And when he was done, he wiped down my back like off you go. He told me I like you, so i guess he could see it, and helped me.

I don't know why such things happen. I wasn't doing anything that I know of to make this happen, that I know off.

So you say this one was attached at the back of the neck? It seems I have read something of this, but I can't remember. I am so glad you got it off, and i'm sorry you are bruised that is how hard it was hanging on. This is good to know... Thank you Melanie

P.S. What type of salt did you use?

"P.S. Deserve is a hard word.... I don't think I deserved for that man two months ago to come and hit me in my drivers side door, but I do believe I have learned a lesson. That material things can be replaced, but my life can not..."

 

No I don't believe there was any "deserving" there either.

 

The other idea, that there is a "lesson" in everything also smacks a bit of moral judgment. But I suppose it's technically correct too. I just don't feel good about making it into a grand theory.

Yea I get ya Kate... In my life I deal with things this way. Maybe not a "grand theory" just away to deal in a positive manner... And not to much self pity...

Take care Melanie

Hi there,

I am so sorry that was so scary. I am sure. I bet you jump while your falling asleep, don't you? I do that sometime and I have never fallen.

I wonder about this. Do you think you might of been saved, by your Angel? This is not a typical story of an OBE. But just the same we are talking about something that is very new, and we don't know much about it yet...

I am so glad you weren't hurt worse... Thank the good Lord... Wasn't your time to leave this Earth. I was in near fatal car accident, and was saved, I know... Wasn't my time. Things do slow down...

But hey to answer your question. I have only been on two and they weren't for long. i talked to some people on the astral plain. But i was scared back to my safe room pretty fast. But i had no physical effects on my body afterwards. Besides the excitement of wow, I did it...

Take care of your self Melanie

Maybe this is OT but here goes:

how do you guys feel while in an OBE? Any sensations afterwards?

I mean either physical or emotional.

 

Had my first OBE, "spontaneously", some time ago, while wide awake:

 

Accidentally walked off a roof some 7meters up in the air, the moment i felt the void and the plunge i saw myself from the outside, hardly recognized myself at first, and looked at myself falling and thought "i die now." and then almost immediately "No, wait, i'll be paralyzed." Then i got pulled back into my body as it curled up to a fetal position, and instantly hit a roof section three meters below and broke my leg with a loud cracking sound. Dreadful experience.

 

Strangest thing was i wasn't scared or excited or anything, there was almost no emotion whatsoever, just these inner monolouge statements. Funny thing is it all happened in slow motion, i swear it felt like minutes before i hit the roof below. I cant really say if the world around me looked like the physical place i was at since the focus was so strong on the falling body in front of me, all i can remember clearly of my surroundings was the backdrop of the brick wall, and some external light source on the far right that wasn't there post-impact.

Think i was in a state of schock when i came to a few seconds later and the pain hit. Heat, sweat, coldness, stiffness, spaghetti-limbs, all these things going in cycles for about 40 minutes.

 

I've heard it's not uncommon with NDE's and the like.

I do not recommend this practice for OBEs, ( ) falling from a height towards uncertain landing was traumatizing and the following nights i re-lived the fall as i was drifting towards sleep. Not as an OBE, but as a physical memory with all the fear of death and pain, lasted mere instants, much like the time i must have spent falling in the physical.

I remember reading some new age thing that said 11 represent a passage to a new life...kind of like a gate to walk through. Makes sense.

 

I think Baolin Wu's feng shui book equates the number two with death...so two towers standing alone together is not good feng shui (at least according to that book).

Hey there Scotty,

This is what I think that it means we are on our life's right path... And possibly Your guides, or Angel, is sending you this message... Melanie

Hi there,

I don't think that every time something happens good or bad we deserve it. But I believe there is a lesson in each thing...

A negative can be turned into a positive if we try hard enough... And in some cases it is harder than others...

But I have found it helpful in my life to try and look at what I can learn from even the bad things.

The great things are candy along the way in life...

The hard things, are the the things that hurt, but you learn a great deal...

Melanie

P.S. Deserve is a hard word.... I don't think I deserved for that man two months ago to come and hit me in my drivers side door, but I do believe I have learned a lesson. That material things can be replaced, but my life can not...

Hi gold, Your comments remind me of what Ya Mu says. Without raising one's energy body, OOB experiences will ony happen in the lower astral realms. In his qigong system, practitioners are able to have high level experiences in dreamtime. In his book, he writes about his experiences with higher beings. Pretty amazing.

 

And your note on tummo. Ya Mu's system can significantly shorten the amount of time a practitioner takes to raise the energy body. As a beginner to his system, I've found it to deliver. AND, not to be boring at all.

Hey there,

I know that I started going to the astral plain and OBEing by myself without trying. And communicated with some higher beings. If you consider a Fallen Angel Higher... I also talked to people that looked just like anyone one the street... That really didn't have much to say...

As for taking years to become good at something... I think it just depends on the person. One person could try and try, and never get any where. And yet another could just go without any effort at all.

I knew nothing of any of this. I was being drawn toward my place in life... I was to be. Have a long way to go... But am going just the same...

Melanie

goldisheavy, on 16 October 2010 - 01:46 AM, said:

Tummo is not that complicated. It's very boring and time consuming though. You can expect to spend years on it to get really good at it.

Dawg,

Where did you get this stuff, a lot of it is off?

I think this post is awesome, and I have been to the spirit world talked to people. And fallen Angels, and higher beings.

And I think you have great insight and am so happy you have come to our sight, we are so blessed to have you you....

Thanks for all the information

Melanie

Hi Bindo,

Well I personal believe anything to be possible, just about... I know I have levitated while meditating, just my arms but straight up, and then to lay back down softly on the bed... So why not someone way more advanced not to do so. Sure it could be real...

I was sure I have commented on her bindo. Sorry I looked and couldn't find it, or i would of sooner...

Melanie

Hi there,

And welcome again... I read this the other day, when you first posted it, and didn't have time to reply...

Wow... Great post, we are all going to love having you here. I know some of what you are saying to be true... I have only been trice, and have contacted my spirit guide, and Angel and had some visits from other people that are advanced at OBE, which i hope to be myself one day...

But I have spoken to advanced people such as yourself and heard great beautiful story's... I was told as you say there are no words to explain the beauty of it... Still I have had people try. I heard of, if you look in a mirror your hands, and feet look cool...

I have heard that you can go any where you like. Say you want to go lay on the grass in England... Lay in the sun. Or check out the moon. No problem... Awesome...

Also i know by contacting my higher being, that I have been told that there are some beings that, may not always have the best intent in mind? Whats your thoughts on that? I have heard throwing yourself back into the vibrational state which gets you there. Will help in getting away from negative energies...

But I am more concerned with the positive higher beings. Your insight in so awesome. I'm sure everyone is talking to you know... When you have time please PM me...

Take care Melanie

Hm has he shown up in your dreams?

 

Also Ya I do believe its very possible. I could go into detail why, although I think there should be a level of caution when/if trying to contact a spirit.

 

If anything, I'd say try through dreams.. think of him frequently and maybe decide to drop by him when you're dreaming.

 

Just dream walking would be a safer bet. Contacting them throughout the day not so much.

Hey there,

I agree with you all the way. I have contacted people. The thing is if you do it through your waking life. You have a chance, a very good big chance of picking up a bunch of low level lieing spirits... You would need to already be in contact with your spirit guide to help you find him. It is not impossible. But it needs to be done right and with protection. There are beings out there that if you start opening up yourself and home, they would love to come on in and give you a hard time at the very least...

So as this poster said dream walking is great... And there is OBE, but you are going into the astral plain and you have the same problem with contacting low level spirits...

So this poster has great advise and may can give you some pointers on dream walking. I have only done it by accident... I don't know how to go on my own account... But we would all love a lesson if you are up to it...

Take care Melanie

I just had a thought see i had a sifu who was knowen as william orce. He died in 2006 in illinois. Before he moved to illinois he taught martial arts in south dakota where i am. Anyways he was my sifu and i was wondering could all of the things that have come to me like my kensho and inspirtations and such have been from him beyond the grave? Anyone have a meditation for contacting him?

Hi there,

I don't think we should rule anything out. Do you ask for his guidance? Or try an get in touch with him? If so than yes this can for sure happen...

But on the other hand, if you haven't tryed to communicate with him in anyway... Than I would say most likely not... But hey I don't think anyone knows for sure... That would be cool for him to contact you, but I believe you would have to be trying at first to contact him...

Take care Melanie

I'd like to pitch in here and fervently defend Gauss' right to post his views in the Open Discussion forum. Even though I share none of his views and nearly choked on my coffee in astoundment of the narrow-sighted, neo-religious waffle he shared, the fact is that Falun Dafa is an evolution of Taoism as much as the confusion of Western Taoist views that frequent our little mud-pool we call The TaoBums.

 

So if we were to condemn this topic as "Off-Topic" then we might as well trash 80% of the topics in the Open Discussion.

 

Yes Gauss is a FD convert and yes his mouth-frothing attempts to convert others has me almost wanting to wipe the spittle from my computer screen. HOWEVER he does have the right to post his views just as everyone else.

 

As those of us that have been around here for awhile will attest, we have seen many missionaries come and go. The beauty of TaoBums is that this sort of nonsense never finds fertile soil here and always will the appropriate "sorting out" be made by the members themselves WITHOUT the need for moderators to overstep their guidelines. I trust the same will happen here.

 

Hi there,

You are just the best... I just can't see why every one doesn't see it your way. I don't agree with everything everyone says either. But that was my point on my thread on PC-BS...

People need to get a thicker skin, and it is a forum. Why moderate everything, we don't like to hear...

I'm glad you always seem to have good old "common since". It is great to see...

Take care Melanie

P.S. Also for a moderator to be bragging she or he has the power to move something off topic if she pleases was wrong... Some people get a little power and let it go to there heads not sure, the one with the kitty and the moon...lol

Freedom of speech man!!!

This right here is what I am talking about give me a break... Is this for real... I believe this is just the kind of person that will be the problem overly moderating everything that is put out.. I remember now i was talked down to by this moderator that my speech that I choose to us wouldn't be good for children, and my students... I don't have students. And if someone is big enough to get on this forum. Well we can't hide them from the world can we...

Taomeow

Well, it's a discussion board methinks. The moment you manage to get Gauss to discuss anything, I will repent. In any event, it was merely a suggestion. I based it on the precedent established by Sean the Owner when handling Mak Tin Si's offerings. Taoist as they get, but found inappropriate in the shape and form presented (not a discussion but an advert or a sermon -- or rather a long series thereof in a succession.) Merely channeling Sean here...

I agree. Pharmacology can still be a useful crutch, but at least we now know it's only a crutch and not a permanent solution. It's like when you break your arm and you have to wear a cast, you don't wear the cast forever. You have to take it off at some point. I think people should be counseled in such a way that they either don't need any drugs, or if they use them, there is a plan to get off them in a set period of time.

Hi there,

Well my mom has suffered from scitzafrenia (sorry I know I spelled that wrong, and I don't feel like looking it up...lol)

Any how she started coming down with it in her 30s. And I have spoken to many doctors that have told me that it isn't passed down at all... I was worried to death this would get me, or my child also.

And if I tell people this, I am judged, and looked down upon, and so is she. I see it in there faces. It is the general idea of people that this kind of thing is passed down. We have four children in our family. I'm the 40 year old baby...lol and I have 51 year old brother, and 52 year old sister, and 50 year old sister, none of us have it... Thank God...

She would see monsters chasing her, tv's talking to her, voices and so on. It is so sad,...She pulled her own hair out with her hands, and through candle wax on the curtains to keep the demons out. We where very fortunate in the fact they found her the right medication... With most they never find it. And some give up and do there selfs in, being locked in a mind like that could be harder than one might think.

My mom is 71 now and is still on her medication, and I wouldn't dare take her off of it. Now this is different than in some other type problems. Like I have suffered certain things like anxiety, or things of this nature. And I agree with you 100% the medical community needs to have a plane to get people living with out medication. They are very good at pushing it for these big money making corperations. And those doctors get there kick backs, and build there practices on the backs of middle America, and we are left with our selfs, and children on all this medication...

Great thread... Melanie

If one carefully examines the photos, a few problems can be observed.

 

1. The first and second photos shows distorted body proportion i.e, hands.

2. The so called light around his feet is very angular as if from movement.

3. There is a lot of over exposure behind the figure.

 

Examine the photos without preconceived notions i.e, no woo woo. See the photos as they truly are.

I know rails... It is hard when we know from first hand experience on these things, some of us any ways...

It is ever so frustrating no one ever seems to get proof of stuff.

My arms where levitating while meditating, quite often now. I had to call my husband to come look once, and they held there for awhile, and slowly lowered back down to rest on the bed, not just drop...

Like you said, you have seen your friend do this... right? Didn't you post that? But it is just getting proof. We can go to the astral plain, on an OBE... But who can give proof... No fair... Mel

Hey there,

That is amazing... Looks like the vibrational state, I have been trying to achieve that you go into before OBE. Do you think it to be similar?

Great information... Melanie

The one time I got out for an OBE, I first met a scary ghost, which I dispatched by sending it love. Then I began twirling around and I woke up as some kind of homeless man (not me as I know myself). That was strange. First I was just myself and suddenly I was another guy in a strange city. I was laying on the bench and feeling peaceful. I spent about 10-20 seconds as this other guy and then I woke up/came to back in my room, in my dead corpse meditation posture I was using.

 

I thought that the OBE was definitely interesting and somewhat mind-opening, considering I became a different man for a short while, but nonetheless I didn't feel compelled to pursue it further. It required a lot of practice just to get out that once, and I felt the rewards didn't justify the effort at the time. I wasn't interested in tourism anyway and after hanging out in the astral plane, I got a strong impression that I won't be meeting anyone more enlightened than myself that way.

 

I had a lot of questions and curiosity about my regular life in my usual body to be dabbling with a life away from my body. It's a very cool ability though and I can't say I'll never want to try it again.

Wow... You became another person... Everyone says something else. I was told to find a mirror and look at your self, and that you look better in OBE... You have a bright light that really shows, some are brighter than others. Someone said something about your feet and hands look different. I was never in long enough to find out...

The thing is there are very high being over there. But I don't know what is what. Something you need someone who knows more before you go looking I guess.

Maybe that is why, I keeped from it now, not ready...

Thanks for the reply Melanie

Although I believe we should always make our speech courteous and polite, I believe all kinds of speech/views should be allowed to exist, even if it is filled with poison and hatred. At the end of the day it is only you who allows yourself to be hurt by words. Instead of opposing someones views, analyze their words and most importantly analyze yourself instead of taking someones verbal jab personally.

Beautiful said... Mel