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just wanted to share some thoughts on the lighter side of things i hope at some moment of this day that you did experience some laughter?! was it a reaction from hearing a joke? were you being tickled? did you experience joy? or happiness? did you have an evil laugh?

Po has a firm root in the body and the desires of the body: sex, food, comforts, et al, and is the source of emotions. Hun can wander during dreams, meditation, inattentiveness, ,,it can have lofty aspirations. When it becomes a little too detached, there is a lack of grounding and can lead to mental instability. And if I can digress briefly here; this is why proper guidance is important regarding Qigong/energy practices. It's the mental deviations that are a concern. It isn't if you might strain a knee or have something physically go askew. And during the decade plus I've been on TDB, so many have said you need proper guidance for physicality issues! Which sends me into eye rolling exercises Back to narrow Hun & Po, Neidan topic. So the Hun nature and Po natures going their own ways leads to scattering of energies; Sidetracked and distracted mind, emotional turmoil, disease, less than a quality life, shortened life.... Hun (Spiritual energy) disperses and scatters. Po ( physical energy) becomes exhausted. Neidan proposes the solution for this problem by refining, uniting, further refining Hun and Po. The entire process of Neidan is specifically for this purpose.

Hun and Po are two of the aspects of our soul complex. Hun is Yang and associated with Heaven. It is our moral compass, allows access to higher consciousness and creativity, it is our connection to Divine realm and the Dao. As you mentioned, after death, Hun ascends (returns) to Heaven. It enters the physical body at birth. Po is Yin and associated with Earth. It gives us life, awareness, instincts, desires, After death, Po fades with the decay of the physical body In ordinary unrefined folks Hun and Po remain separate and their leanings and tendencies pull the individual in opposite directions. This is a problem. I will continue in a following post. I need to do some chores, chop wood, carry water, etc

That works. That works too as a distinction between Hun and Po. I am going to try and keep my responses in laymen's terms, middle of the road. Not to be mistaken for the Middle School. What I post will be broad strokes and not representing any particular school. I will avoid using terms like 'cinnabar field' 'yellow court' etc I won't go into finer details or specific practice/meditations. You didn't mention other considerations beyond Hun and Po. So, will keep a narrow focus on those. But I will, imo, fully address your OP I am no expert. I am a fellow bum participating in a discussion.

It's a really good question. I will offer some words and also Symbolism that I feel speaks clearer than just words to illustrate the concept. Nedan's idea is to refine and integrate the Hun and Po as a central part of the process to achieve Spiritual Immortality and Physical Well Being. Hun and Po are fundamental components of the framework of the process, as well as goals. If you need more understanding about Hun and Po, I suggest a new thread You can think of Hun as the software and Po as the hardware. As a human being you should functionally integrate both. That's what Neidan does; refines the ntegration. There is much more can be said and I know other bums will chime in. I just wanted to give a brief response to your question. Imo the abstract aspect of it could be addressed more directly in a thread detailing what is Hun and Po.

Imo, one of the most beautiful passages of the bible.

Likewise, I hold respect for you. And find value in your post If my posture, breathing, circulation, immune system, nervous system, and calmness, have benefitted from hallucinations, that is still winning.

It doesn't matter if someone believes or not; if there is functionality. No autopsy will find a mco in a cadaver. The cadaver is dead and no longer an active energy vessel. There are results from running mco. That, idk how many practitioners over the years, spanning generations, generally agree upon. Mco is not a physical structure it is a dynamic energy pathway. Once again, the "scientific" view is exposed by its limitations by disregarding the subjective and only relying on the objective. Edit/ I said it before and it remains true that science itself, is a belief systen

gratitude

@Antares What is virtue ?

Waving

Waxing Waning

@ChiDragon Over the years here, I have always appreciated your commentary and the topics you've selected to discuss here. You've led me to look at things differently. I don't think any of us have it all worked out yet, but, over the years here combined with practice has yielded some real nuggets along the way I expect that to continue on for a good while longer

I do think some scientists of the deeper thinker category, or any that are open minded beyond pure materialism, are fascinated with these concepts, subjects, that we all discuss here in TDB I think objectifying some of this has been elusive/challenging Do I think mco micro & macro are real? Of course I do I also agree with Gerard about all of this is going on naturally anyways. I think being too rigid in one's opinions holds folks back The Pathways energy travels through a xingyi player are not exactly the same as the taiji player experiences I am open to views that differ with mine. If anyone who has experience with both taiji and xingyi agree or disagree with what I said about energy pathways. I'd like to hear feedback

I like the way you state it. At first I thought it read lost rather than dust; I feel the essence of your meaning is the same either way, yes? I definitely agree 100 with what you bolded Although, I don't mind being out in the wind myself,

I find it interesting that many Hindu consider Jesus an Avatar of Incarnate God. Not reincarnated. However, many other Hindu have a different take on this

I thought this kinda fits the thread And FIPO Tucker is not Fox News and this post is not political in any way

I think more poor folks oughta talk to AI about how the elites will toss current AI in the trash can as soon as a shinier program develops. And pointing out how a handful of elites can and do more damage to the planet than a few billion poor folks ever could. How the elites exploit poor and AI alike. How elites spew lie after lie. An enemy of my enemy, is my friend.

GodSpeed!! edit to add

That's why it's good to have friends in High Places. And I'd like to share a small snippet of a story that was passed along to me,,,, There was a guy in a seriously tough place and he called out (prayer) for help. A couple of weeks went by, his suffering deepened. Then, like a thunderbolt, he was delivered out and to safety. This guy, you'd think, woulda been, praising the being that arrived and turned the tide, but, instead, questioned why he (the guy) had to repeat the prayers so many times, weren't you listening? He asked in criticizing tone. We heard you the first time. It took us that long to battle through the evil. You know, the evil that thinks might is right

Verse 78 Of the Dao De Jing

The meek shall inherit the earth

Pawns need to work closely with each other. If it's late in the game and there are 3 isolated pawns against a queen; the queen has no difficulties and easily finishes off the pawns. If the 3 pawns are connected and have worked together deep onto the other side of the board, then, the queen may not be able to stop them.