ShaktiMama

One of the nice side benefits one has when the kundalini matures in a being is that one loses all or most agendas or desires or need to make other people wrong, interfere in their lives, or create conflict. Some might say one loses the desire or motivation to engage in any behavoir which creates Separation over Oneness and Unity.

The Prime Directive (wikipedia source) becomes very real. "In the universe of Star Trek, the Prime Directive, Starfleet's General Order number 1, is the most prominent guiding principle of the United Federation of Planets. The Prime Directive dictates that there can be no interference with the internal development of alien civilizations."

Kundalini has definetly made me into a "stranger in a strange land". I love my planet but my sense of being a part of All That Is has become unshakeable. It creates a center of deep, internal peace.

The Inner silence that comes in maturity is refreshing too. It causes an increased appreciation and tolerance for self and others no matter where we are in their stage of development.

May the joy of Shakti grow.

A short note: Since having been on and moderated kundalini forums since the mid 90s I have seen alot. Wanting to awaken kundalini for enlightenment purposes is ill advised. Enlightenment can happen to both non kundalite and the kundalite. It is not necessary.

A caveat: anyone who say they are enlightened is probably not enlightened. No one who is while tell you they are. Why? Because it is not important.

Kundalini activation to full mature kundalini development is only still the beginner's path. The real adventure begins after it has become mature. For some that development happens more early and for others it can take their whole lives to learn to dance with kundalini. The end result, IMO, is people learn to dance with the Tao with spontaniety rather than continue to live in a reactive state with Nature.

Age is no guarantee of wisdom especially in Kundalini development. Unfortunately, people "believe" once it is awake they have arrived and can sit on the Couch of Enlightenment, put their feet up, and grab a beer and the remote. Maybe but most likely not but for a few minutes.

People with mature development smile and laugh...a lot. They have no need to fix other people. Their inner light and development extends out beyond the central channel to beyond the barrier of the skin. They are filled with the kundalini down to their very cells and the spaces between their cells. They walk and talk different. You can feel them when they walk by or put their attention on you...if they want you too.

Just from simple observation of people over the years I would say there is more awakening is happening of a spontaneous nature than I have seen before since the early 90s. Deep stress, whether it is positive or negative, can play a part in activation. Most people come to me not teach them how to awaken kundalini but to show them how to manage and enhance their relationship with kundalini and how it is changing their lives. Fun times.

Smile, be happy, and keep your tongue up.

Peace.

Kundalini theme song

Love to have you in KAP classes with us. No one pays for kundalini but there is payment for the instructors time and over 20 years of knowledge and training that each of the instructors have. You can't buy kundalini otherwise you could get it at the grocery store down the street. We come from various backgrounds since kundalini is a universal phenomonen that occurs in all major spiritual traditions world wide. You will find an eclectic course that combines chi gong, Sufi, Yogic, Bonpo, shaman, Native American, Indonesian, etc approaches. No one tradition has the corner on what's going down in Kundalini development.

Kundalini arising depends totally on the student, listening to your instructors, and doing your homework that is assigned to you. If you want to do it on your own: Secret Smile and Microcosmic Orbit, 20 minutes two times a day. Keep your tongue up to the roof of your mouth behind the front teeth to connect the front and back main meridians. Most everyone forgets to tell people that in internal cultivation practices. ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS IN THE PRACTICE! It will hold back the chi sickness, headaches, mental illness, general weirdness, and such. And ALWAYS stay hydrated.

Eventually, once you get past all the chi/prana manifestations you will be on your way. Takes anywhere from 3-6 months of diligent practice without an instructor and you must possess a fearless heart. It can be really rough on your psyche and your body if you do it alone.

An instructor will help you get past the tough times of pathological chi/prana that can happen prior to k starting to awaken. They will help you with keeping it safe for you and your body.

That is all. Hey and love to all my TTB friends. Back to deep lurk.

These last couple weeks I've been getting little sleep. I'm averaging around 3-4 hours of sleep a day. I feel fine but, I'm growing concerned that this may start having a detrimental effect on my being- on my life. Does anyone have any recommendations or experience with this?

Probably too much adrenaline running through your system. Secret Smile, Microcosmic Orbit, tongue up to the roof of your mouth during practice. Also do some heavy body weight exercise to help burn it off for 20 minutes otherwise you can fry your endocrine system.

Did you take KAP1? If you did, PM me and I will put you on the grads list that is on Facebook. There you can ask all the practice questions you want.

This book was written by a Christian mystic who had a full blown kundalini dramatic awakening int he 1990s. Phillip is a great guy. http://www.amazon.com/Kundalini-Energy-Christian-Spirituality-Philip/dp/0557372097/ref=ntt_at_ep_dpt_4

You can come and tell your story on the Kundalini Support Network which I founded back in 2003 or something like that. Please realize we are a lot different than the Tao Bums list. Make sure you read the intro on the front page of the site first.

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/KundaliniSupportNetwork/

Although I can't attend to eveybody personally and individually the list is full of Kundalini elders from many different traditions and backgrounds who will be helpful. The signal to noise ratio is very low and there is respect of all traditions. No azzholes allowed. "Come at me bro," is not appropriate. We have Tao Bums on the list too. The list is scholarly and supportive. It has a significant female membership and perspective which is a bit different than here.

The KSN list is considered a virtual sanctuary and a temple. Any and all are welcome. "New members will be placed on moderated status until I am assured no spamming will take place. You must have a good sense of humor, be courteous, tolerant and a serious student of kundalini."

What you say and are doing is normal for a lot of kundalites. it happens to many people going through the k process. Stop focusing on your own misery. That just makes it worse. It is the purpose of kundalini to make thing more apparent for clearing.

"If you were an asshole before kundalini, afterwards you become wide and gaping." Dr. Glenn J. Morris

There is much that can be done. Search the TaoBums for the Secret Smile and the Microscosmic Orbit. If you are not doing that you will be prolonging your misery. Start there as a basic. Then see what happens. Give it good effort over several months of consistent practice.

Be well.

This process is utterly pointless. I feel so close to suicide, or simply taking the life of a random passersby. This process/mindset has no place in todays society. To attempt to help it along would only mean to distance myself from reality, thus losing my capability to interact with this reality, which WOULDN"T BE SO BAD IF I WASN"T STILL LIVING. This is a completely idiotic process, nothing is gained. Someone suggested "I was saved", what makes you so sure? What if god is evil? NOTHING MAKES SENSE. WHY EVEN BOTHER HELPING PEOPLE IF THEYRE TOO IGNORANT/STUBBORN TO ACCEPT YOUR HELP OR TO EVEN WANT IT AT ALL? In retrospect I feel like I asked god for the stupidest thing imaginable. What kind of powers can you get from these processes? I honestly just want to sit in my parents house, harvest these "potentials" then go out slaughtering people. My creativity is gone, I can't write or play music as well as I want (given I haven't played in a while). Is god evil? This mindset literally goes against the society I'm forced to be a part of every single day. THERES NO FUCKING POINT. FUCK PEOPLE.

Yes, kundalini is viewed by some as yang qi. Snowmonkey was recently writing about his view to me on this and on Bodri, whose view is somewhat one dimensional and according to his teacher, in error. Maybe he will share that view here.

And yes, qigong will ignite Kundalini. KAP utilizes a lot qigong moves and principles. Also there is yoga and Bonpo Tantricism and other goodies we teach.

sure K!

 

i talked to Eva Wong about kundalini earlier this month Grandmaster P, she was completely familiar with it, and knew it as 'yang chi' and said it can be ignited by qigong.

 

in my understanding kundalini is a kind of 'qi'.. its its own kind tho, its not normal qi. If i knew more about tcm and the names for kinds of qi i could be more helpful but i am shaky on that. For a good read, check out William Bodri's Little Book of Hercules.

We asked...

Is Kundalini Qi?

They said....

http://www.eecs.berk...lini-faq.html#5

Kurt originally wrote that FAQ in the late 90s and the last revision he made I think is in 2002. We know more now. Kundalini is definately energy as is qi. Kundalini is not just qi. Kundalini has intelligence, some even say it is Supreme Intelligence, Qi can be moved by the mind. Kundalini not much mind moveable. It is more of a negotiation. Resistance is futile. Depends on which cultural lens we are looking through is how some people define K.

Old Green messaged me and asked if I would comment. I have been out and about, here and there, and don't come this way very much any more. I am pretty busy IRL.

Of course this is all my opinion, based on real life experience, and working with hundreds of people since the mid 90s or so about kundalini. Most of this is empirical and proven to work in life and in my life. That means this sometimes will contradict written tradition.

My basic premise about kundalini is it is normal. The body likes it and wants it to develop fully. It is not necessary to awaken but it is a great enhancement in life, like moving from a minivan to a starship on your path. The world is pretty comfortable with and has a lot to say about how to move through life in a minivan but not so much in a starship. You can just imagine all the differences, difficulties, and new awarenesses pouring in if some day you went from piloting a minivan and now you are the inexperienced rookie captain of your own starship.

Minivan manuals are relatively easy to find and use. We usually pick those up from our families, our culture, and our spiritual tradition. We know in time which manual handed to us was really, poorly written and which manual we are grateful to have. Then a goodly portion of us get the manuals somewhere in the middle range of instructions.

We find the same thing about starships but not too many of us find any manual in our families, culture, or spiritual traditions. It's there for some of the more fortunate but we rarely hear about those individuals because their life unfolds normally in a kundalini context. A lot of us end up writing our own manuals based on our own experiences and reading other manuals that have been written. Unfortunately, like a lot of things about life, you don't know you have been handed bad info until you have results that you don't desire or maybe even damage you.

I often say people need to have intuition and training to choose a good teacher. Unfortunately, it is the good teacher who will train you to have the discerning intuition and those are hard to find. So must of us just blunder along until we learn enough or find the right people to show us who the good teachers are.

To make this briefer, I go back to that Kundalini is normal and I want to stress the normalcy of the process. It is because it is unusual and people screw up is that it gets such a bad rap. If you go back to when you were going through puberty and how unbelievably alien that experience is for most people, the intensity of feelings and bodily changes, that is a reflection of what kundalini process is like. Doesn't make it abnormal, just another expression of who we are as we grow. I can see all human growth and development that we learn in psychology classes reflected in the Kundalini process. It is just at another more intense level but we were all kundalini babies and we all eventually become kundalini elders. The way the path unfolds is between you and Kundalini.

I don't know if asking what is a good outlet is actually helpful. Any outlet is good. It doesn't really matter what you choose. Your personal, individual makeup will help drive that. "what do I want to be when I grow up?" is just as germane a question and exploration to a kundalite as it is to the minivan driver. What matters is are you at peace with yourself and the world? There are no judgments and there are no attachments to what you choose. Are you influenced by what you think other people will think or your morals or? It really does not matter what other people think of your choices. What makes you happy?

Choose an outlet that makes you happy. Choose an outlet that you think best serves you and the world you live in. The outlets are as numerous as there are people. Consider the world may be best served if you just go to school or work in retail. Shine where you are at.

In my personal world, when I am choosing something that is good for me then the Kundalini bubbles over with more bliss. So check within on your choices and see what happens to the quality of the energy as it moves through you.

Blessings,

Shaktimama

As was mentioned in another thread its hard, in my opinion, to find an outlet for kundalini energy. That is to say that especially in the beginning, its pretty high voltage and hard to channel constructively for many people. I think thats the point of yoga and meditation surrounding K, to open up the body and the channels so it doesn't run away with the practitioner, because it definitely has a mind of its own.

 

I put this post in the General forum because kundalini isn't limited to vedic thought or vedanta, and a lot of the uses people put it to are more universal, like healing and energy work, or just applying ones enhanced intuition to whatever practice they are engaged in. Its also applicable to magical work, Crowley wrote pretty extensively on the importance of awakening the K and its significance as a magical source of power, not sure which book tho.

 

A lot of people who have near death experiences come back with awakened kundalini, and find it hard to integrate into their daily lives.. but they find themselves in 5 or 10 years in a position to use their gift for healing... there was a great Coast to Coast AM with George Noory last year about just that, if any of you are subscribers and can dig in the archives.. (it wasn't about K per se but about NDE). Even a lot of people who awaken their energies via shaktipat or some more stabilized way of working with it have some trouble with "the sizzle" as my ninja teacher calls it.. its just powerful. So thats a little of what i was talking about which i was asked to clarify in that other thread.

 

Has anyone else found their own energies hard to make sense of or flush with their daily lives? I hope some more experienced bums can say something helpful if they are moved to... we have the benefit of some really awesome practitioners here who have a lot of K experience

 

so thanks, and there you go -K-

I have a problem with many religion's notion of enlightenment, especially when they tend to believe that enlightened people transcend the natural impulses of man. I have yet to find any proof that this is so, rather I find proof that it isn't, in particular historical evidence and news articles regarding religious authorities that have purportedly achieved enlightenment that end up doing things grossly immoral and un-compassionate in any context.

 

Okay, so I admit I'm assuming this, that there is the possibility that others can escape desires and wants, but if so, who are they and how did they prove this? My point of course is that because we are intrinsically tied to this world and body, there is no way of escaping the dual nature we live within, even if we are aware of the non-duality of existence.

 

I am well aware that the world is non-dual, not only intellectually, but also experientially. Many doubt this, that's okay, I don't need to prove it, but I did realize that for awhile I had doubts about these experiences because I failed to be free of desires and wants, of simple things like hunger. In fact I have major food issues still, which stem from growing up in poverty and not having enough food. How do I know I have these issues still? Well I had a friend reach out for my bowl of soup, wanting me to put it down and I bristled up and told him point blank, "don't touch my food." Even though I knew he didn't need or want it... it was the threat of losing the food that caused me to tense up.

 

So my point is that everyone has issues, regardless of their spiritual advancement and to fail to acknowledge this misleads people. The idea that we can escape all desire and suffering is not realistic, nor is there really any evidence to support that anyone has, so why do we continue to propagate it as a truth? Isn't it infinitely better to encourage people to work on their character defects, the ones that prevent them from experiencing quality in their life, without having to use misleading information to get them to do so?

 

Anyways, just some thoughts I was having. I'm sure some people will have ideas about this. Anyone want to take bets on who on the TTB chimes in with the absolute truth regarding this? I'm joking, that'd be a fools bet, we all know.

 

Aaron

Hi Twinner,

I only glanced thru the rest of the answers so I just wanted to share my POV.

Some spiritual traditions and from my own personal experience speak of us having lived many, many lifetimes.

I also have understanding there is more than one universe, more than one dimension, more than one space and time, more than one reality, more than one alternate reality. If I am pressed I would say there is an infinite number of these locations for us to have an experience. Now if we let this notion expand into eternity and that we are eternal beings this will show how many lives it is possible to experience up to this lifetime.

Enlightenment is the beginning of an experiential understanding about this lifetime, not all of them. Not all beings have a remembrance or feeling of what it was when Consciousness first knew Itself. When one does this does not guarantee Enlightenement but comes a greater measure of self awareness.

To give an idea of infinite worlds, look down at a nubby carpet. Count all the bumps of the material and then imagine each bump is a universe that contains worlds and living beings. Then realize that all those universes are contained in one plane. Then think about all the ways alternate realities can present themselves as I discussed above.

To think one person can clear themselves of the negative energy accumulations, that which holds them back, is a bit...well....egoistic. One can clear a huge amount in a short amount of time it is true and one can die quickly without the proper support quickly because the body is accustomed to sharing it's space with the ego and all these other energies. It is not recommended. I would, based on a teacher of mine, offer that it takes two to three years of introspection, examination and clearing to get to a base line of understanding about Self and Other. In some of the more traditional process, maybe 15-20 years with a teacher if you are just using meditation and inquiry.

Under all those layers of accumulated lifetimes is the True Self.(It is why when we look at people energetically they look muddy or shadowy.) The beings you are looking for will not feel the need to prove themselves as enlightened. It is not important and is a false thought form of the ego to prove oneself. And, you will have an understanding of their state when you walk into their Presence. If you can see auras, their auras tend to be gold or a brilliant yellowish white gold color. Like a halo but it surrounds their whole bodies. For those who really shine it is hard to look at them with your inner eyes.

Auras don't lie so because it is an electromagnetic signature. So yes, that puts the Christ and the Buddha into that category.

Desires and wants are of the ego. Becoming ego less is a process. I am personally aware of people who drop the ego and realize that death is just a leaving of this experience of living in the body vehicle on a planet. They realize : "Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity." Ecclesiaste 1:2 The newer translations of the Bible, vanity=meaningless.

It's true. When people come to this realization that this is so they want to drop the body vehicle. Some do by killing the body, committing suicide after the realization. I totally understand that reasoning. When my ego was dying I was ready to go that moment. "Let me go. This is so silly. I will come back and make another body" was a thought process that was unfolding at that time and what I told my teacher. I had a person assigned to me to make sure that during this period I wouldn't do something along those lines.

I did choose to stay and continue to release all these negative collections from lifetimes among lifetimes. Doing so reveals more and more of our True Essence within. We become more and more helpful in assisting others to gain liberation.

Why do we have a body? To play here on this earth, to have an experience. To leave without fully understanding that is a negation of our purpose to be here, to gain liberation and become a play of Consciousness.

This is why the good teachers laugh and smile all the time. This is why they treat themselves and others with kindness and compassion.

Still learning, still evolving.

bumping up my old post in hopes I'll get back into the groove.

So simple but yet one of the most powerful exercises there are for internal energy development. Dr. Morris told me once a Buddhist Monk said to him, "why are you teaching this process to beginners? We make them wait several years before we teach this."

It's true having witnessed, done, and felt it myself. Have used it against a charging attacker. Hint: you unearth them is one way. There are others. Check also in Indonesian martial art called Silat. Most martial arts that are energy based have this at the higher levels.

This is not something that will be discussed on this board for it needs a person present to teach you. It is all based on your internal cultivation practice. It is not a magical superpower but it is hidden from the public for obvious reasons. Letting people think it is stupid is one way it is hidden.

If you want training, PM Vajrasattva (Santiago Dobles),who is a member here but rarely is on the board anymore. Be prepared to spend an incredible amount of time in training, training fees, and to show yourself of good character before those things are taught. If you have poor to average chi skills it's going to take you a loooooong time to pick this up.

Shaking can lead to inner stillness. Shake your heart out and then be still.

Inner stillness can lead to shaking. Quiet your mind and let your energy arise.

Not talking about any particular branded experience. I learned how to do it on my own before being exposed to yoga or qigong.

It's all natural.

Something to explore.

Just speaking from experience.

http://kundaliniawakeningprocess.com/blog/category/kundalini-videos/

We have produced quite a number of informal, informational videos lacking in dogma. Here they are all in one place.

Enjoy.

Thank you for your response, but if you don't mind, some followup...

 

By "shared space", I meant how the retreat (or guru) helped you to experience the "egoless" state. Was there a "connection" that expanded into a "merge" with the leader or group? In essence, sharing a "bubble of silence"?

 

Also, with things that still cause anger or irritation, since you cant stop them in the moment, are you able to permanently "let-go" of them after the fact? Or, do the persist with less intensity?

 

Thanks again.

 

I was with a master shaman and we were using sacramental plant medicine. Much quicker than sitting with a guru. It was ceremonial ritual and we had to enter into that space with intent. My intent was for liberation, to become free.

All the filters between what we think is and what is were almost instantly destroyed. It is the fast track and brutal. I do not recommend it for the general public or the dilettante. I don't recommend it for the beginner or even a moderately advanced student.

It was beyond powerful but not all present had the same experience or paid the price of being brutally savaged by the hard light of Consciousness. There was no escape, no place to hide. The ego crumbled under the constant 3 hour onslaught of the diamond hard Awareness flogging my mind and my body. I will say again, it was brutal, cruel, and savaging of all and any of my beliefs about myself, others, and the Universe. Jai Kali Ma.

I lay, curled in the dirt and dead leaves almost face down on the forest floor, flies buzzing around my body as my breath slowed to the point of stopping. I could not move and I barely breathed as my mind emptied of any thoughts. My fingernails and toe nails were ragged and torn from my body clawing into the dirt trying to find escape from the presence of Consciousness as the ego died. I even lost the desire for relief and help. Then came the realization there is nothing but That which cannot be named. The only desire I had left was to dissolve and be one with That and to lose all self knowledge and self awareness that was ever accumulated. It was a desire stronger than thirst, stronger than the desire to be alive. If there had been some way to end my life at that moment I would have done it because my life/body/ego was keeping me a prisoner in this false reality created by beliefs. The bald faced need to re unite in Oneness with All That Is was and is beyond description. No words exist to convey that force in that experience to return to where we began, where Consciousness first knew Itself. My teacher held my body as my soul wept to return to That. Nothing mattered. Not family, not friends, not career, the planet, not god, NOTHING.

With a human teacher there is always the opportunity to hide or ask for mercy. Not with plant medicine.

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as for the other inquiry.

I am aware of, in the moment, of the irritation and the anger. I then chose whether to address it or not. Before I had no choice but was just swept along in the emotion. In my experiences of life, I know myself to be eternal and having lived in multitudes of dimensions and universes across space and time. I carry all those experiences, energetic imprints, agreements, decisions into this present life stream.

Layers upon layers are revealed and dissolved as I place the light of Conscious Awareness upon these discordant energies we call irritation and anger. To think that freedom and liberation will be instantaneous is a trap of temporal thinking of this dimension. It is a process and there is no schedule.

Progress is slow in context with what people desire but it's unfolding.

 

Just the other day someone posted a post about the kriyas they were having during meditation. From reputable gurus, the message has always been to sit and let kundalini do her thing. It is intelligent and she knows what has to be done.

 

 

 

This is quite different from what Swami Satyananda Saraswati said in his book called "Kundalini Tantra".

Note: In the following passage, he specifically states that the practioner need not meditate anymore.

 

 

TI

Shakti is Divine Intelligence, the energy of the Cosmos. She knows what she is doing. I can speak from experience since 1991 when my kundalini started to rise. Learning to surrender is so important and is the main reason my experience was so blissful and powerful and continues to be so.

Shakti is a little bit like Chuck Norris. She meditates you. You have to meditate when she decides it's time. No excuses. No escape.

Second that last.

 

My big thing right now is seeing that falling asleep is as important as waking up. If a person feels they are not waking up, and I mean to the full experience of life, then maybe they could use to aim at falling asleep for awhile and see how that feels. All they have to do is stay with their sense of location, as their consciousness drifts off, to fall asleep. In my experience, the same is true when I am waking up.

 

Reading "Zen Letters, Teachings of Yuanwu" (translated by the Cleary brothers) for a quote, and I find this:

 

'Although it is just this one thing that we all stand on, ultimately you yourself must mobilize and focus your energy. Only then will you really receive the use of it.' (pg 95)

 

That one I'm quoting for me! And here's the one I was actually looking for, for our discussion:

 

'You are a master of Buddhist teaching methods only when you can recognize junctures of times and patterns of causal conditions and manage not to miss real teaching opportunities.' (pg 19)

 

Tao Bums is an opportunity for me to teach myself, and everybody here inspires me to sit the lotus, waking up and falling asleep.

At any time we are where we are supposed to be in our journey. To get caught up in whether ourselves or others are not moving fast enough or too fast does us all a dis-service. To be concerned about the location of where we are on our journey means we are living in the past or the future which neither one exists right now. We will miss those teaching opportunities if we don't remain in the present.

That's a tough one IMO. If other people's limitations bother you. I don't know why they should, they still definitely belong to the other people for as long as the latter will accept holding on to them. I guess I ought to add a caveat about conscious acceptance, these days I wonder what mechanisms are in play to hold so many things unconscious (I could go on a rant about media, but here I am using one...)

 

Where I do get mucho miffed is when other people insist I should adopt their limitations when I have quite enough of my own that I'm doing - mostly my best, although not always- to rid myself of thanks. And they can do that in so many wonderous ways, right down to knocking you off the face of the planet This makes me hope that reincarnation is real

 

Note I'm not talking about 'limits' in terms of respect for others BTW, just in case that gets confused which IMO/IME a lot of 'spiritual' people do. I'm guessing that if someone isn't waking up right this minute then there is a reason for that. The above mechanisms aside, it might be to help them survive a particular passage in time (like the ego-shell did in childhood), it might be that that particular shell is needed to help others. I don't know, but I like thinking about it.

 

Nice to see you on TTB's Susan:-) I'm almost sure that if you told the 'right' people they'd get it

I love the way you look at things. It always tweaks my mind.

I have to get it first. That's all that's really important.

sounds awesome!

 

i like marrying the hearts. Did you do that ritually, or with meditation, or just philosophically? If you don't mind my asking. I have been practicing "being poised in compassion" which is really just a phrase i made up, but working with the idea of always being ready to practice compassion. When driving, or shopping, or doing mundane things, i realized that i was kind of poised to strike or complain or just generally find things dis-satisfactory. Realizing that life can be endlessly complained about or found dis-satisfactory, i am trying to always be poised to forgive and practice compassion.

 

One thing that keeps popping up for me lately is the limitations of peoples beliefs. Here on TTB and in the real world, people keep telling me "i dont believe that".. someone told me just last night "i dont believe in kundalini. I've done kundalini yoga and i didn't feel anything up my spine." I had to really try to keep from laughing, but that is really the extent of their exploration into it! I guess she felt like it should be easy, or the kind of thing that one can awaken with a little effort and a couple classes. Oh well, its been a hard lesson for me, it really gets my goat! I have a hard time accepting how lost and confused some people are, and how i can't possibly do anything to help them beyond just accepting that they are ignorant and still seeing their "buddha nature" and loving them anyway

Philosophy has never worked for me.

The human heart and the divine heart are actually the same because divine Consciousness exists in both. The human heart is just layered over and over deeply with judgments and beliefs about itself and others. The Divine Heart has none. So we worked on recognizing the dysfunctional beliefs and incongruency of the energetics to release and transform them so the True Essence of ourselves would naturally express itself.

We are this divine heart. We have only forgotten it is there within us.

I like what you are doing for your compassion practice. Awareness of when and why we are triggered is so important.Then we decide to respond differently instead of reacting in unawareness. Good on you.

Yes, we all have the Buddha Nature within. This is what I refer to when I speak of the Divine Heart. If we practice seeing that within others it is a catalyst for transformation for both ourselves and them. Even just the noticing of a spark of that is a powerful tool. All beings have Consciousness within and have this spark no matter how dark or shadowed they may look to our conventional eyes. Determine for yourself to see that within another and watch it grow as you contemplate that.

Yeah, it gets my goat, my sheep, and my freaking cat too. LOL! But in that reaction there is a clue. It is about a belief we posses that causes us to separate from the other and view them as idiotic. *raises hand here*-guilty". Once we follow back where that belief comes from, its source, then we can start releasing it.

Our beliefs are hardwired, coded into our DNA. This is passed on through our ancestors and we as the end point have an accumulation of beliefs that we didn't even know we had. This is why I sometimes say that we don't even recognize that our thoughts are really not our own thoughts.

We can influence our DNA and change it with our thoughts.

http://www.heartmath.org/templates/ihm/e-newsletter/publication/2011/summer/you-can-change-your-dna.php

ALL Beliefs are not real. Reality is what happens when we don't believe in it anymore.

Sounds like a great event. Was it like a connection that expanded into a "shared space" of silence?

 

Very interesting on the "body to dust". I consider my body a friend and work on integration.

 

Are all the attachments of the ego still gone? Ever still experience anger or irritation?

 

No shared space. The ego crumbled and left me wide open. Fortunately, I had someone that was assigned to watch over me for a few days because I realized that I could drop the body at any moment and continue on without it. I lost my ego's regard for survival and comfort. I actually said to someone, "It's time to leave. There is nothing that exists. Nothing matters for it is all a belief. There is no death. Only the ego fears death."

Our bodies are made of the elements of the earth held together by the mind and the survival needs of the ego. When the body dies to the earth it returns. The body is our friend but we are so often not friendly to it.

When the ego goes it becomes very apparent the body is a vehicle for holding awareness/consciousness. When the ego dissolved I could not move or control the majority of my body functions. It became apparent quickly what was an ego run body function and which was a normal expression of a living vehicle. It is like driving a car and losing control of it. Nothing works. It is like the car lost all ability to be driven. Just pulled over to the side of the road on the shoulder and stopped. I am in it but I could not get it to drive.

I learned to relax and the car started and began to drive itself. Autopilot on it's own wisdom.

No, the attachments are not gone. I am just more acutely aware of how they are wired into my experience of myself and others and this planet. They are much easier to recognize. In that recognition of being able to discern between the mind which complements the body and our existence and the ego which was created for survival and run by power-sex-greed needs is precious indeed.

So yes, anger and irritation are still experienced but just not on the level as before. I am not triggered by the same things with the same intensity. The energy charge has lowered considerably. I am acutely aware that those emotions are not who I really am but projections of the ego's belief systems. They are much easier to dissolve and then I can move on.

It's a process. I work too on embodying my spirit fully onto this planet. It's not about leaving but about living and loving.

So far I have found very little info. as to what the benefits of this practice are. Anyone here have any experience with it?

It intensifies internal energy cultivation quickly.

http://developyourenergy.net/product/fundamentals/tai-chi-ruler-qigong/

Tell Sifu Dan I sent you.

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"Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces." Mathew 7:6

 

-My 2 cents, Peace

I know but I keep at it.

Peace and deep blessings to you also.

In Tibetan terms, it is found in the Six Yogas of Naropa. Kundalini is described in terms of "Inner Fire". The "connections" that ShaktMama are describing are found in the Tibetan practices of "Becoming Vajradhara". A couple of good books are:

 

The Bliss of Inner Fire: Heart Practice of the Six Yogas of Naropa by Courtin, Robina; Yeshe, Lama Thubten; Cameron, Ailsa

The Six Yogas of Naropa: Tsongkhapa's Commentary by Mullin, Glenn H.

 

Hope that helps.

 

I was once led into a 4 day experience of Primordial Mind last fall. It was constant, minute by minute, second by second awareness that unfolded spontaneously once it was initiated. To gain insight into an experiential understanding of the body vehicle the ego is scrubbed clear, becoming a servant of the mind. This was beyond price. When my body realized the mind had released it, it began to yearn to become dust again.

I understood that I could drop the body vehicle and step into the Eternal immediately because nothing matters. The grasping attachments of the ego had dissolved.

"All we are is the result of what we have thought."

Now it is all play.

Yes I did write that. I have to admit, that I have been focused on finding the vocabulary to describe my own experience to myself for years, because I am the principal beneficiary when I get the relationships right. And I always believed the idea was to change myself, and describe how I did it while I was doing it so that there would be a coherent record if anyone else needed to follow, or perhaps if I lost my mind and had to start over! Trick is, I know the words aren't really going to communicate to someone else, but a positive and substantive description of the relationships involved has a power beyond a person's conscious understanding, I believe that. It's the hypnosis of the cosmos, if you will.

 

I am envious of Shaktimama and Dr. Morris, and frightened at the same time. I'm only seeking the magic of waking up and falling asleep right where I am now, and yet living this life to the fullest has got to be positive, and the experiences folks describe sound awesome. Maybe I'm too timid, ha ha!

Hypnosis of the cosmos? I have been a hypnotherapist since 2001. Did you know that the more intelligent you are the easier it is to be hypnotized? Only the unimaginative have difficulties being hypnotized. This is backed up by testing.

The best coherent record is the evidence of a changed life.

Your fear is not your own. The essence of your spirit is never afraid. Your perseverance, the ability to put one foot in front of the other on your path, is all that is necessary to begin to achieve what you seek.

Interesting video, cheers Mark.

 

 

I have recently seen film/documentary 'The Rize':

- trailer

a really cool bit ,check it out-

about kids having dance battles and getting together, learning from each other and listening to their bodies. It is a really good film, and some scenes are just amazing.

It becomes obvious that this is their spirituality (without being labeled as such), almost like a very ancient intuitive drive that gets those people together and their bodies just know what to do to distress, shake and get in tune.

Reccomended.

 

 

Shakti Mama , it was really intersting reading your posts! Thanks for sharing so much.

Thank you. You know what makes things spiritual? You do! Things become spiritual when we make them spiritual.

As Glenn used to say in class, "make your every day walk your meditation walk."