ShaktiMama

hey everyone,

i wanted to share my new website thundershaman.com/

 

here i offer shaktipats and cosmic healing over any distance.

There is no set price. I ask for donations, to balance karma from the energy transfer, and it helps root the energy.

 

Woo Hoo!

on a side note...i apologize for not making some of the skype practice and study group you are having...i am busier than a long tailed cat in a room full of rockin chairs as they say in the south. I keep you all close in my thoughts and in my heart.

Blessings

s

Video #3 is up.

We have all the videos up on one page now.

enjoy,

s

 

 

Shaktimama,

 

 

 

I have been consistently impressed with the quality and character of responses I have gotten in my threads.

 

The idea of saving a draft is a good one, I'll have to remember that for future "outbursts," hehe. I do tend to feel better after I vent, most of the time. Except when that little voice gets loud enough and I drop my guard enough to start feeling bad/beating myself up. Most of the time I don't need anyone else to whup my ass, I'm pretty good at doing that kind of thing myself.

 

I'm very serious about cultivation, refining my character, and as you put it developing my Inner Adult. I've done too much beating around the bush and rationalizing in my life...time to put my effort where my mouth is!

 

As an aside, I'm very interested in your KAP program. I wonder if you could give your professional opinion on its suitability for me as a practice based on the (admittedly very limited) knowledge you have of me from my posts?

 

 

 

Hey CP,

Sorry about my lateness. I was at the Jenny Lamb seminar this weekend.

 

What makes you a good candidate is a willingness to learn and to open yourself to awareness of your self during the classes.

 

We have had extremely sophisticated practitioners take the course and love it. We have had rank beginners take the class and love it. And of course, you can't please everybody. It is not for everyone.

 

You will do better than the average student if you already have some sensitivity to energy.

 

You can take the course on line or in a face to face environment.

 

Santi and I won't be teaching a class together until after June. He is producing for Nickelodeon and three bands, teaching Silat locally, etc..etc..

 

Me, I am just plain busy too.

 

But there are other instructors who are very good also.

 

PM me if you want to talk further. There are people who are opposed to any discussion about KAP on the bums. It is just more peaceful if you do. Namaste.

 

s

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CowTao (by the way, I love your handle ),

 

 

 

Thank you for your wishes! Same to you!

 

I checked out the link, although I haven't ready any sample pages. To be honest, I'm not sure I can fit another book into my already long list. But, it does look like a good book based on the description and reviews. I'll certainly keep it in consideration, and thank you for the recommendation.

 

 

THIS BOOK ROCKS! Read it later but read it. It is a paradigm shifter.

s

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Hi ShaktiMama,

 

In your view, would Sifu Jenny's practices blend well with the KAP practices? If I wanted to learn her methods from the DVD, but was also doing the KAP work, would it be better to do separate sessions (like do one in the AM and one in the PM), or could they be stacked together or blended in some way? Thanks in advance.

Do I even say this without risking the hounds coming out?

I was telling Santiago Dobles on the phone Saturday night, who is the director of KAP, that there are a lot of similarities between the two systems. If you have done both you will see them. Some of the similarities are of basic moves like standing stake or bringing down the heavens. Some are not basic moves but are in both systems.

The good teachers that go teach will tell you about the meridians that are affected and so forth. The really good ones will tell you about the esoteric side of the form. The excellent ones draw you into their energy field and impart Divine Wisdom in very subtle ways.

What makes a big difference is who is the teacher, how they relate to ALL THAT IS, and how much juice they carry.

Both Santiago and Jenny both say, Learn one system really well. Jenny says if you learn one system really well there is no real need to go learn another (if enlightenment is your goal). She calls people who do that spiritual shoppers.

Santiago, myself, and Dr. Glenn Morris would say go out and keep learning. Keep what you need and don't spit on the rest.

You would be very industrious to do that many hours of qigong in a day. I once made a similar comment to Sifu Bernard Shannon, who is the head of the International Medical Qigong Institute in Palm Valley. He had taken a group of us to Beijing to study for a couple of weeks with Master Duan Zhi Liang. Which one do I practice of the several systems that I know? He said alternate systems. Like do one form on Mon Wed Friday and then the other system on the other days.

Hope that helps.

s

anyone here ever take a seminar with Jenny?

I just finished a weekend with her in her home. She lives about 30 miles from me.

She is a treasure. She is full of life, laughs easily, and has a big smile. Loves jokes. She radiates a pure, refined energy. She says it's not from her but from the Divine who is with her always.

I recently said this to my friends and students: "Training with Jenny Lamb was a wonderful experience. Great teacher and such a shining pure light. I am so sore. She really worked us. I will be going back. It is not just the forms that are great it is the presence of a great, divinely inspired teacher that makes it an excellent experience. Jenny says she doesn't give transmission but being in her presence is transmission."

Jenny told us that her gigong was to develop a pure spirit and for spiritual developement. The health benefits are secondary. She said that everything you need to know for enlightenment is in this class.

I can not recommend her highly enough.

She has a wonderful husband and an incredibly intelligent dog whom I call guru Lucy.

It was snowing hard one day and she and her husband made lunch and tea for us because the snow was so deep on the roads.

There were only four people in my class.

If you go, make sure you go with an empty cup. In other words, shut up and train. She is unique.

Jenny says she will not be teaching any more gigong seminars. She almost canceled the one I was just in. If you watch her DVD and practice you can apply to take some of her retreats.

She says she is looking for ten good people to train as healers. She does not certify people to teach her qigong. So if you want to train with her sign up soon because she is inclined to cancel. She is going through a major shift in her life and only wants to work as a healer and train healers from now on. She is done with the martial arts period of her life.

Shaktimama

PS. Jenny was *emphatic* that she and Max does not teach the same thing. No, I didn't question her about it. She says enough about that issue on her website in the FAQs. Don't waste hers and your time asking about it.

I did want to add that she now considers herself a Buddhist and not a Taoist.

First I would like to say this thread is an example of TTBs at their finest. What thoughtful, kind responses.

Secondly, I do the same thing. What you can do is just put it out there and see what kind of response you get. I have done that and sometimes get an ass whupping because of it. Lessons learned. A lot of times I don't get beat on.

Thirdly, you can save a draft and come back to it in a couple of days. Sometimes the issue resolves its self I have found.

Fourth, sometimes you just got to let it fly. We all have our bad hair days. Those of us who are thoughtful will see that. The rest of the commenters just ignore. (hard to do,I know).

Fifth: (!) some of those alter subcharacters (archetypes) in our life do have our best interests at heart (usually survival) but are unrefined in approach. It takes a while to develop the healthy inner adult to modulate those other voices. I find I just say to those "voices": thanks for your concern but please sit in the corner while I take care of this. Sounds like you are taking the right steps to develop your Inner Adult.

Susan

I spent an hour trying to write up this long and introspective post about certain psychological and emotional hurdles I'm faced with. But each time I would get near the end, have the wording just right to properly convey the situation...I'd think to myself, "You're being a whiny little bitch. Stop it. Put up or shut up, your complaining won't do shit. No one else can fix you, it's all on your shoulders." And then I'd delete the post. This happened a couple of times.

 

I believe this voice every time I hear it. I base my trust in this voice on the belief that I am 100% responsible for any suffering I experience, and I am 100% responsible for dealing with it.

 

Am I delusional for thinking this voice is telling me the truth, or is it the clearest thought I've had all day? The voice says I should delete this post too.

My pleasure, zeros.

 

Something like this:

I come across Chinese dragons (the ones with the frills around the face) often. They are common among the kundalites.

When I was in the UK teaching a few years back I was privileged to have a gentleman on my table for a session who had one of the most powerful dragons I have seen and felt come roaring out of the top of his head. Definately frilled, a bluish steel gray. It's energy was strong and palpable and almost pushed me off my chair. I will never forget that. The gentleman was pretty ill at the time.

I find the frilled kind more than the European looking types. The Chinese type are more associated with majestic, godly qualities. The Japanese and European ones not so much.

Dr. Glenn Morris and I were talking one day about the Japanese dragon. They are more considered to be greedy and of lower character because of their habit of hoarding treasures. He told me to look out for people in the Japanese martial arts who had some kind of dragon in their name that was given to them by their Japanese Sensei or Soke. It was particularly given to Westerners who were too proud and arrogant. It was an inside joke in the leadership because giving one of them a name like the Gold Dragon was indicative of what the leaders really thought of this person but conversely the person thought it was a badge of great honor. It's definately a political move.

My own dragon is an irridescent sparkling black and is a hybrid of a cobra and a chinese dragon. He morphs back and forth between the forms. He has a name and he is seen around me by others.

I would suggest if a dragon appears to you it's time to make their acquaintance on a more personal level.

s

 

if i will have anything worth teaching someday,

i'll make it a separate thing from my main means of earning a living.

 

 

edit darn 'spells'

That is what all the KAP teachers do. We all have main ways of earning a living other than teaching KAP. I am a nurse, Santi is a music producer and session guitarist who is under contract to Nickelodeon right now, Tao teaches yoga, Dr. Morris was a university professor, a couple others work for Nissan, another is a teacher in public school I think, another is an officer in the Air Force....

I would love to be teaching full time but I am dependent on a steady paycheck in the regular world to keep from living on the streets. Maybe someday.

s

Kap was the best money ive ever spent hands down. Its the gift that keeps on giving. Its easily manifested more opportunities for financial prosperity than I could have gotten out of that money anyways

 

Spiritual teachers need to eat too.

and pay rent, and car insurance and car payments, airplane tickets, publication expenses, rental hall expenses, a million incidental expenses like child care and help those who cant pay...and on and on and on....

s

but only the simple-minded would throw out the masterful qualities simply because that master still had prejudices. new practitioners often ask how backward-thinking traits can continue to exist in an otherwise realized being, and whether such qualities disqualify their realization. Wilber offers pretty kick-ass answers to this.

 

personally, i'm a fan of Adi Da. i don't have to swallow him whole to appreciate the areas in which he truly excelled as a spiritual adept. and if believing that he was the one and only True God Avatar was a necessary flaw for him to be able to share what he did with such brilliance and clarity, well, i can certainly forgive him that.

 

he doesn't have to be perfect to be amazing. none of us do.

Hudun?

Could you point me to where I could read those kick ass answers to this?

thanks,

s

I found a few things about this thread remarkable.

 

It is astonishing how little actual dissection of the article there is and now much knee jerk reaction to each individuals preconceptions about the subject and what they think Ken Wilbur was saying, or in the case of those not reading it at all, what they suppose Ken W would say. (one of my more egregious runon sentences, Yes?)

 

What I got from it was first of all, CONTEXT.

 

What is the nature of agrarian societies in which the dharma and similar philosophies evolved? How does the agrarian society compare and differ from our Post-industrial society? How does this difference inform on the appropriateness of charging for so-called Dharma.

 

Also for me this article was quite valuable in defining the meaning of Non-Dual. What does it mean to acknowledge the ascendant, transcendent as well as the descendant, material world, and how is that contrasted from purely ascendant traditions and their rejection of MONEY, Sex (women), the Body and Food.

 

This perspective of acknowledging both impulses and not rejecting but embracing the material as part of spirituality, ie balance and harmony represents my ideal of what Taoist practices and philosophies have advised.

 

As for paying for Dharma, practices, etc my view is as always the same. ANY Teacher deserves to earn a living. However if said teacher seems to be taking far more than he needs or asking far more than seems proper to YOU, then YOU have the choice to view them as not being in Harmony with your values and therefore not a proper teacher for you. We are not an agrarian society and do not have the same support structures for Monks and the like as have existed in the past. Therefore the impulse to view money as "filthy lucre" and paying for spiritual teachings as a taint is an impulse in my view which needs to be grown out of.

 

FYI I speed read about 2/3 of the article before I ran out of patience today so Kudos to anyone else who may have studied it better.

 

That's what I got out of it.

 

Thanks ShaktiMama.

 

TTFN

 

Craig

It didnt take long, did it? That's why I pretty much refrain from commenting.

If people want to know Ken's professional qualifications:

http://www.kenwilber.com/professional/landing/index.html

s

Thanks Susan.

 

I don't think my reading it changed my original opinion about paying for tuition of techniques which is that it's IMO legit for a teacher of anything to ask for money (or exchange of goods or work) in exchange for teaching a skill. But really, once you've learned them, you're the person that has to do the work, the contemplation, the meditation, the research and the thinking for yourself.

 

Still, Ken's making pots of cash, isn't he? So is Adyashanti, so is Shinzen. Oh, and so is the Catholic church and the Scientologists and, well, really, lots of them are. I think that's interesting.

 

If Ken is convinced he's doing the right thing, why bother writing a spiel to justify it? Of course, if he's in any doubt, then maybe his classic textual approach of "throw a "here's how the world used to work, works and so should work" helps him feel better.

 

Why did you offer it for consideration by the TTB's? I'm curious.

Hi Kate,

Just to stimulate conversation; find out what people might think. Also to place as a resource.

I don't think it was a justification. It was written in 2006 and he had been around long enough to get over any unease or conflict he may have had about charging for tuition and time. More than likely he was answering some questions posed by people who have difficulties resolving this issue or wonder why it is even an issue. I wasnt there but Ken and the Integral crowd are very popular in my area (he lives in downtown Denver or he did until recently,) so based on our shared acquaintances I do know it is out of character for him to be justifying anything he does.

Hi ShaktiMama,

 

I am not sure I understand this post and was wondering if you could help cast some light on it? I must admit upfront that I never read any other of the author's works - perhaps that is the source of my confusion.

 

I've been through the text twice now.

I see an 18 page rambling which attempts unapologetically (although I am not convinced) to justify the author having money (and spending it) given the authors acceptance and understanding of the concept of Dharma through time.

 

I would be curious to understand what you got out of it or was hoping that your fellow taobums should get out of it?

I really wanted to know what people think about it. I wanted to see what kind of discussion it might initiate. This is issue comes up now and then on the bums. I also thought it would be a nice reference to put in the archives if people wanted to ponder this more deeply.

I thought it was illuminating to view where the idea of non payment for spiritual teachers began or became institutionalized.

Ken's been around for at least 20 years and is quite popular because of his views. He also has many haters. He is an interesting, knowledgeable fellow and has had quite the impact in modern times with his Intergral Theory. He is polarizing and irreverent. I appreciate people who are iconoclastic and not afraid to look closely at our sacred cows. Wilbur isn't justifying at all IMO. That's not what I saw.

You can read more about him on his blog.

The pdf is actually more of a podcast that I downloaded to listen from Itunes but it came in this pdf form for some reason instead.

Offered for your consideration.

Right Bucks.pdf

Same with the throat chakra.

 

I was a real quiet kid, if not still.

 

Always waited to be talked to ya know?

 

After all this it would explain why I feel so great whenever im done.

Pulsing is not necessarily a bad thing. In the first ten years or so in my practice there was a lot of pulsing while my body harmonized and healed itself. It never hurt although it could be quite forceful, like intense pounding. When the dysfunctional comes in harmony with the healthy parts the pulsing diminished and disappears into constant flow like when the rapids have become the flowing river.

And yes, I always felt better afterwards even blissed out.

So I use energy in a non-directed way for healing versus the directed way from years ago.

This means I let my hands be drawn to the area that needs harmonizing and my hands will begin to pulse with chi flow. First, usually rapid and intense, then as time goes it softens and stops. That's when I know I can pull my hands away.

Speaking from my own experiences,

s

Hi Trash Filter. If I may offer some advice. Recently I have begun to get clear qi flow through the neck into the head. The intensity of the qi flow is quite apparent, as it makes its way past the blockage that I am working through. I did not force anything. And I do not recommend forcing qi. If you force the energy into the head, there could be qi stagnation in the head. This is no fun. I doubt anyone would "enjoy this."

 

Nei Chuan, it sounds like you are not experiencing anything negative from the pulsing? I don't feel qualified to advise you at this time. Best to you and hope all goes well.

Nice advice.

NEVER FORCE chi.

Energy does not flow through tension. There is a reason energy flow does not happen in that kind of spot. Is there bone pinching, muscular cramping, muscle memory of trauma, energy block? Take care of that first. Chi flow stoppage is a message to slow down.

The results of forcing chi thru the head, those that I know of personally or relayed to me by those who are knowledgeable are headache or chi head, chi derangement, hair loss (BALDNESS!), vertigo, burns, mental instability which can be as extreme as psychosis.

play safely,

s

Ive only had the privilege of observing first hand two people come through this stage. Myself and another male, so im not an expert on the feminine kundalini symbolism.

 

I did have one lover who talked about foxes and snakes being important animals to her. I think that foxes may be connected to ovarian energy. she was still in the process of learning at the time.

Snakes, snake imagery, dragons, all played a huge part in the process of my kundalini awakening. Visions of snakes proceeded each new energy burst of kundalini to take me to another level.

The whole process can be enjoyed. I used to say my life became more fascinating after the kundalini awoke because I felt like I was playing in an incredibly beautiful and strange fantasy, sci fi movie...except it wasn't acting.

Regardless of the warnings and the karmic theory involved explained in the unfolding it still is one of the most precious moments in my life.

Because of the k awakening I no longer fear death. I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that I am more than this body, this mind, this existence, this consciousness. Not in an intellectual understanding but one that developed because of an empirical involvement in my own transformation.

s

Thank you Susan - your perspective was really informative and your words resonated right to the bottom of my heart. The idea of concentrating on the underground chakra makes perfect sense.

You are welcome.

Also, it's interesting that kundalini also arises spontaneously on occasion. My husband and I were in an auto accident, it triggered active kundalini in both of us. But we had both been walking the path of spirit for many years. Maybe spirit knows when it's time, even if someone hasn't actively been seeking it. It was sure nothing I asked for, didn't even know about it until a woman I didn't know walked up to me in a coffee house and told me there was a book I had to read, it was about kundalini energy. Somehow she was able to detect that I was 'suffering from it', (which I was at the time and had no clue about the electrical sensations within my spine, neck, head, back along with the odd flashing visions of things trying to get through a blockage and other bothersome returning mental pictures). This went on for a couple years and in fact I can still find that on any given day I may be gently 'obsessed' with a mental vision of a blockage being blasted out, or even a scab being ripped off. This goes way beyond finding the right words to describe some of the stuff I can 'see' in my mind's eye, but always these mental images will relate to a cleansing out process of the vessels within my spirit-body and chakra system.

 

I scared myself nearly to death reading the Gopi Krishna book - that man certainly had an extreme case. j Mine is with me constantly to this day, it's been 6 or 7 years. It has resulted in 3rd eye activation, I am capable of Seeing to a soul depth and breadth that I was unable to previously. It also has set off a chain of other periodic events which could only be described as unusual. I dabble in healing as well.

 

My personal feeling now is that kundalini rising isn't the beginning or end of anything. It's one more thing within the process, as far as I can see. But I'm guessing that about 20 years of reading different translations of the TTC (plus meditation) just did the trick on its own. If one is capable of making the kundalini rise through certain types of meditations, this is wonderful. But the education certainly continues once the K is activated. But it does seem that kundalini activity sets into action other things as well.

 

The other earth energy that is much stronger than the K-energy that circulates, is the electromagnetic energy that comes out of the ground and up into the legs, up the body. I have only experienced this twice, once during a healing, and once when I was handing a pair of metal-toed boots to another woman. We both felt the phenomena coming out of the ground and it absolutely feels like you have your wet toes in a light socket.

 

I'd be interested to know if anyone knows of the connection between the really strong electrical current that can be brought up from the ground, and that which courses through the K-active body?

My kundalini has been awake since 1991 and by 1998-97 it had become fully complete in its circuit from from my feet, all the way up my back, through the top of the head, and all the way back down the to the feet. It circulates and fills up my body all the time. I can feel it radiating from deep within my bones.

Although it became complete I was really just an infant and the rest of my life has been in learning how to live with Kundalini Shakti and to be of service to the world.

The earth energy is very important...extremely so IMO...to a kundalite. Our bodies are a nexus point between heaven and earth. Maturely developed kundalites will run energy between heaven and earth and back again subconsciously and continually. They will also radiate that energy out from their center out like an expanding sphere.

Our bodies are crucibles of alchemy. It is forever transforming itself from immaterial to material and back again. Like water which rises from the earth as dew and steam to condense in the heavens and fall back to earth again as water to continually recycle itself. Adding earth and sky energy ups the intensity and the power that we have as alchemists.

We (Kundalites)call that energy that arises out of the ground the Earth's Kundalini. We teach our students to access this in their practice for keeping strong and grounded. Some will differ or disagree in the wording with me. The earth has its own meridians (lay lines)and central core that is connected to us just like the heavens do. It is possible to cultivate that connection until it becomes a part of your own energy system.

You can work with the chakra below your feet that is always rooted in the earth to strengthen this connection consciously. You can learn to modulate the intensity that flows out of the earth so you don't get shocked or knocked over. That is part of the "rewiring" of the energy system that occurs so you can carry higher and higher voltage when kundalini starts to work in our bodies.

The current in your body wants to be connected to the current in the earth and the current in the heavens. For some, when k is activated, their left big toe gets a burn mark where the energy enters the body and begins its ascent toward the heavens transforming the body as it moves. Some have burn marks, like I did on my body, where the energy surfaced along the skin. This is why it is so important to stay hydrated during this process and grounded.

Personally, I have had my spine straighten out and adjusted when the connection of energies is made between heaven and earth. It will pull me taught like a string. I find that my students will naturally start to stand straighter and with better posture.

Hope this helps some. I am just speaking from my own experiences and the experiences of my students.

Susan

I think you have some very good advice here...some gentle and some not so gentle but still good advice.

A teacher said to me, years ago, when you practice, practice perfect, not just practice, practice, practice.

It is perfect practice, perfect practice, perfect practice.

The more I learn the more I realize I still have so much more to learn. In Dr. Johnson's school, we were told not to teach qigong until at least a minimum of 3 years of daily practice and to be authorized by a teacher.

Here's one of the places I learned. You might check it out. Some times they will come to your area and train people if there is enough interest. You will get good, solid foundational basics from them. These people are masters.

http://www.medicalqigong.org/

Good luck,

Susan

Easier to just drop your awareness down into your lower dantians than to try to clear your mind...

 

Because as long as you're in there trying to clear it, you're still occupying it. Mentally focusing on emptiness is still a mental activity using your conscious mind.

 

There's a difference between Elvis clearing out a building...and Elvis leaving a building. Uh-huh-huh..

I agree. Using the mind to train the mind is like telling a little kid to guard the cookie jar. But people are attached to using their minds so it's a start.

s

I would go as far to say qigong becomes your natural movement, belly breath becomes natural, all activity is moving meditation...life become more seamless and flowing.

I remember, early in the process, how I dove into something very dark and heavy, when I arrived on the other side my spirit body was charred and burnt. Only my two eyes were recognizable.

Not for the faint hearted.

s

1st enlightenment- Then you meet the snake. A divine being He will introduce himself and begin guide you through alchemically forging the philosophers stone.

2nd enlightenment- the bubbling springs begin erupt filling the body with rainbow light showers in a mind blowing experience. It cleans out your channels and and sacrifices your ego to the gods. you merge with the snake. the mind learns to rest in silence and presence while the divine energy does your thinking for you.

3rd enlightenment is about fine tuning the advanced alchemical mechinisms and learning to use your new energy. meditation takes on unprecedented depth. qigong becomes as natural as movement which becomes quite a bit more natural too.

 

after the enlightenments you are ready to begin the more advanced stages involving becoming an immortal wanderer denizen of the celestial realms.

 

In my personal opinion, if a spiritual teacher hasn't figured out how to use these mechanisms then he isn't a spiritual teacher.

 

If a person is going to make a claim to enlightenment, then they need to have at least enough awareness to be able to use their body correctly (sexual alchemy is our forgotten birthright), and enough spiritual purity to pass through the sacred fire without burning up (diamond body anyone?)

First the 5 elemental energies that make up the body fuze together and the newly formed spirit baby may poke its head out to say hello to the world.

Or as some of my female friends said, just like I did when it happened to me, "OMFG! I am effing pregnant!" I once watched a woman grow a pregnant belly and lose it in a half hour when Dr. Morris and I were leading a pranayama type excercise. Freaked us out! (But hey, we played cool. )

Yeah, it was a girl baby in my belly. Still there in different form too.

Your MMV but be prepared.

s

I don't hear of this phenomenon at all out there (except in private sessions with women)but I would imagine considering where the idea of Immaculate Conception got started. Just a thought.

My dear Susan, I don't think you are talking to me but to beginners, try to shift gears.

 

You are disagreeing with a giant shit load of Taoist masters, don't do that!

 

I know all about what you said and more because you are in error! One of the top chi kung masters in the world, who was my teacher for eight years, who is 97 now and in better health than I, said unequivocally that using universal energy is just plain wimpy compared to using your own (only if you have good power). He gives his energy away all the time, it depletes him for a couple of days, that is all. In spite of that his energy is VAST! I'm beginning to suspect you have no idea what that kind of power is like.

 

We can use universal energy when we want to. You give people money and you can earn more back, you give somebody your time and you can't get it back. You give somebody some chi and you can earn some more back.

Its alright, I am not a Taoist. Nor are any of my students probably. I work with people from where they are at.

We can get into a pissing contest I suppose and say my chi kung master is better than yours (Chinese, 105 years old...blah, blah, blah) and he will contradict what you say. I trained with him in Beijing, Master Duan Zhi-liang. We can trot these elderly men out but I am speaking from empirical knowledge.

My students are not at the level of these masters. They make mistakes. It is best, IMO, they learn not to give their own energy away. When they become a master like the ones you know they can but the general public and noobs, can't.

I would expect someone at the level of these masters who have been cultivating since they were 8 or 9 to be like this. Like I said, I know chi beasts. But I teach young students and grandpas, males and females, who only have a short time each day to attend to practice. I can't ask children to lift boulders even if that is what they will be expected to do someday.

Does that clarify?

Students will get sick if they use their own energy. Someday they won't have too. But energy hygiene is so important to beginners up to medical qigong doctors.

s

I am sorry if I have offended you. I have to assume that I don't know anything about you (I don't) and work from there. Yeah, I know VAST in energy...but I won't talk about it on a forum.