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Seems to me that activation of the upper dantien (pineal, pituitary, etc) leads to a direct experience of the heart mind. In the book Taoist Yoga this is the first practice, called 'fixing spirit in its original cavity', which is said to reveal your essential nature.

 

The function of the middle dantien or heart chakra is more elusive to me, personally.

oh im a charles luk geek

translation of chakra terms into taoist alchemy vocabulary poses some problems though (imho)..

although there is no proof most people would regard the second chakra (svadisthana) as the lower elixir field (look at its position -> under the navel), then, is the upper elixir field the 6th (brow) or 7th (sahasrara) chakra. if you look at the recent 'anal breathing' thread you'll see in the picture that they equate it with the eye/brow region. there are some books which do likewise and many others are not that specific. luk instead always calls it the spot 'between and behind the eyes' (tsu chiao or ni wan). he also gives an illustration where it looks more like the centre of the head (page 124)

the choice would be between yingtang (extra1) and baihui (gov20), not taking into consideration that according to acupuncture point numbering the governor channel actually ends at the mouth

please tell, how do you interpret luks instruction of fixing spirit in its original cavity? i mean he says this cavity must always be aimed at by thoughts, heard by the ears etc

yes scotty thank you

well the thing is, i tried these extraction methods using benzene/naphta/dichloromethane but it doesnt work because these guides are only intended to get you high, i mean they dont remove the stuff that keeps it from working the way you would want it to work when employing it for semen rentention

let me put it this way, the seed contains its own antidote, when you eat it whole it does nothing, and the people who take it for kicks remove the wrong half to have "fun", but, in theory, one must keep the other.. thats why im writing this i have no idea how to succeed at this because you cant use the extraction methods on the net and peeling them yourself would take 5 hours each day

Serious retention practice will make your penis shrink back up inside you.

they call this 'retractable penis of tathagatha' afaik

there are some books which say that a hidden/retracted penis was one of the 32 marks of buddha

http://books.google.de/books?id=KaucIWZX5lAC&pg=PA131&lpg=PA131&dq=32+marks+buddha+retractable+penis&source=bl&ots=V0cD8StL1Y&sig=SfjpHgmB-tf5G2hWLCAeIPKTEXY&hl=de&ei=MFYwToGNJYnKsgbXod0O&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=32%20marks%20buddha%20retractable%20penis&f=false

hello

i dont know how you do at semen retention but i never succeeded at it

so last year i came across this plant "argyreia nervosa" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argyreia_nervosa), when you take it you can inhibit nocturnal emissions (before this i tried the methods described in the literature, like 'coiling up the body into five dragons' or turning the wheel of the law all day)

now heres the catch, the skin of the seeds which are to be taken is poisonous.. you have to peel them which takes considerable time. so i did this from the beginning of this year until april 29 (to complete 100 days) but couldnt continue because i had to sit there peeling for like 4 hours each day

if someone would just synthesize this it would be like a miracle (and i dont go on ranting like my skin got softer or anything)

i am not a medical qigong expert(or any expert) but i think the short answer is,

the top burner does spread qi around using the functions of lung and heart.

middle burner turns food into nutrients, functions of stomach and spleen.

lower burner filters and eliminates waste with large intestines, bladder,kidneys,

small intestines, and liver.

thats very enlightening

its somehow like a motor with 3 levels

maybe you like this http://www.acucentre.com.au/TCMtheory/2PrimaryMs/Sanjiaomeridian.pdf

Jing leaks out of the genitals.

 

From what I understand the kidneys and ming men point is where jing is generated and stored.

yes, that is how i see it

well in addition to that it (the gate) could still be the anus because i feel eating does the body more harm than good (->benefits of fasting) could it be that eating, being a weakness, actually uses up energy.. so it drains away through the rectum

So what does Gate mean here?

yea thats why im confused, see, there are two points they call gate of life or gate of life and death, one being at the bottom ("mortal cavity") and the other one is more towards the back, between the kidneys..

they are both written with these two characters ("gate" and "life").. i came to realize that the testicles and the kidneys are often written with the same cahracters, this may point to a relationship between these two but im not sure what it means

Thanks for that, it is very interesting. It seems despite the buddhist influence mentioned through they still describe the micro-cosmic orbit (MCO) in the Taoist breathing method (not the buddhist method).

 

The 'Gate of Ming' is 'Ming Men'. Some might say The Gate of "life" or "power" or "wisdom". Which is what Hui Ming means (intelligence or wisdom). So that is why HuiMing and MingMen both appear to be synonymous on the picture.

 

There are ming men acupuncture points on the back and the front of the body. This seems to support the idea of the ming men as to it's energetic location is the space in the middle of the body inbetween the points. The ming men (with the dan tian) is seen as the body's main energy center. It also helps to see how acupuncture points are 'gateways' to energy.

 

The leakage going downward is simply to imply 'life energy leaving the body'. So it is the loss of energy in general. I don't think it is meant to be a specific spot. But if one wants to know where do we tend to leak out the lower part it is the huiyin and the arse.

thanks for the input yes, the circle may stand for the lower dantian.. as you put it, mingmen seems to be the 'back' part of the lower elixir field... how could one "stop the leakage"? the huiyin plays an important role.. if i got it correctl it is also where they locate the root chakra

hi

sorry for bothering you with this one but it kept me thinking for about two days and then i somewhat gave up

its a tablet from the "hui ming ching" (https://circle.ubc.ca/bitstream/2429/11432/1/ubc_2001-0087.pdf)

do you know which body parts it means? i mean, gate of ming is written with the same characters as "ming men" but mingmen is between the kidneys whereas "gate of leakage" probably refers to the genital gate by which jing/essence is lost. or is it the anus? O_o (i ask because this aperture lies at the end of the channel of function, if it was the genital it would be on cv-1 "huiyin" i gues..) the whole structure confuses me please help

in the text, "ming" is described as being in opposition to xing, ming being the lower body and xing the immaterial spirit (to my understanding).. the character of ming reads life, and the one of xing means something like nature or gender

ok i'd like to start a debate on this one (didnt find a thread)

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_burner)

although this structure is somewhat famous i didnt find much information on what it actually does

afaik it has three parts, the upper being where the middle elixir field(*1) is supposed to be, the middle around the huang ting or yellow court and the lower near the kidneys (in regards to "height")

sometimes they call it the triple energizer

do you "work" with it?

oh oh id like to add: last night i had some kind of a "vision" thing and it revealed to me that women do not have a huang ting or yellow hall centre, can this be true O_o

(*1 there seems to be disagreement about the location"

please share

dont they use that to treat transgernder people O_o

Also, have to know where exactly the kundalini/dan-tien is..

ok how about this.. in addition to the lower tan tien which most writers locate around the qihai point (cv6) theres a thing charles luk calls the mortal gate. its at cv0, the bridge between the rectum and the scrotum. now thats where the kundalini people locate the muladhara chakra. its described as something like "cauldron and stove" the stove being this and the cauldron being the lower tan tien sitting on it and being heated by this. (theres controversy about this.. c. w. leadbeater locates the muladhara a little more on the back, between the anus and the coccyx to be exactly). yea well this is where im stuck at myself, the basic idea would be to blow up this centre at CV-0

theres a new translation done by a chinese person

http://webspace.webring.com/people/da/akrishi/goflower/gf_intro.htm

And drinking, and getting into stupid conversations, and wasting your time doing stupid stuff, and being around stupid people, getting caught up in things that waste your time and consume all of your focus and energy. Basically, living in the modern world.

i totally go along with you there

"stop futile talk and joking. be like the cicada feeding on dew"

It's why, if you can't deal with it, many people leave to work alone. Then they come back when they have learned how to deal with what comes up and learn how to not get caught up in stupid stuff. Of course, you don't HAVE to leave. But some people feel the need to.

what do you mean by leaving? "retreat for the mountain"? maybe youre interpreting the above as a kind of withdrawal from society.. thats an interesting question, would stopping to be sexually active imply to stop interacting with people altogether?

So it's not just blowing your load or having sex that dissipates your vitality.

never said it was

The testicles are on the outside of the body because the temperature of the sperm needs to be regulated. Can't be too hot or too cold. Inside the body is too hot. In, say, a hot shower, they'll hang low to get away from the body and escape the body heat. In the cold, they will cling to the body to get extra body heat.

 

So shoving your testicles up into your body and keeping them up there for too long could heat them up too much, kill off the sperm and... yeah, pretty much that.

i read that too but well uh are you sure? i mean 'killing off the sperm' for reproductive purposes is what we're in for. medicinal texts go for something else.

Also, the pulling your testicles into your body is a pretty specific skill. Even when doing it properly, it is dangerous. Even highly trained people wouldn't risk it unless being supervised by a master. If you don't need to do it, you probably shouldn't. Plus, if you're shoving them up there unnecessarily, you could get them stuck up there. I've heard they can even get stuck up there even if you HAVE learned the right method.

this got me wondering you mean, people *are* actually doing this..? please tell me more (i mean i thought this up in my bathtub)

Then you're in the doctor's office explaining to them, no, your testicles HAVE dropped, but you wanted to shove them up there to preserve your vitality. But guess what? You're losing a lot more now that you're stressing out that your balls are stuck up in there, your sperm are dead, and you aren't getting a boner and are now worrying how you will ever use your mad taoist love making skills to get laid.

hi

so i expect the replies to this to consist of postings telling me why this wont work but i really like to share this with you because just "meditating" on the lower dantian didnt get me anywhere

well you know that they locate the "ocean of vitality" about an inch and a half below the navel

now get this:

as you may have heard man dies because of dissipated vitality (having intercourse) the point here being that in order to put an end to mortality (ahem) you gotta stop this, and the method could look like this.. uhm, charles luk and master hu from taoiststudy.com say that during practice male genitalia retracts into the belly (with a piece of skin to seal up the hole) in accordance with the idea that then you are not a sexually active person anymore. as i said, just "visualizing" these energies had no effect so i came up with this: the "balls" which reside in the scrotum are connected by the spermatic cord with the vesicula seminalis ( http://www.web-books.com/Classics/ON/B0/B575/27MB575.html ). now i regard this as the "fallen" or postnatal state. recently i found out that theres a hidden channel. the spermatic cord goes up in front of the pubic bone. it is actually possible to shove the testicles along a secret pathway which goes up towards where they think the lower dantian is. when you have them there permanently it starts to work like its described in all the texts. i only dared to do this for like 5 minutes because i was like hell what am i doing, but it didnt hurt or anything.

uhm they say that increased temperature (like in the body) harms the testicles. is this true? what could result from this..?

just curious, there seems to be a little disagreement about the location of the dantian. this Yang Jwing-Ming guy says its in the middle, charles luk: "its location is more towards the back in proportion of 3 to 7, and i sometimes fantasize its in front

most practisers mean the lower dantian when saying this but you didnt specify so im asking: do you mean the lower elixir field? (according to common lore there are three, look http://combatbaguazhang.com/images/3dantian.jpg ) :*~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-d6AwD5ROdA

Im going to be leaving this Earthly plane soon. There's no purpose being here.

erh.. u posting a suicide note?

would it be legit to scan a page from a book and post it? (like "chapter three: the ch'ung mo or thrusting channel")

the central channel is named "Sushumna".

your referring to tantric (indian) yoga i guess. would you, then, also assign pingala and ida to the governor and function channel? im asking because, well, do you have something that makes this connection or is this your reasoning ? if the latter is true please be so kind and tell me how you came to this conclusion

so im doing a fast (water only since friday) and it hit me: could one stop the hunger by means of meditation?

do you know a meditative technique that deals with this? maybe something having to with the middle elixir field because of the stomach being located there.. im of the conviction that, being a fat person, its unnecessary to eat as long as youre weighing much and its all habitual

so when theres hunger flaring up, its wrong a feeling in the sense that you just got used to eat without your body needing it

plus a lean body could facilitate meditation

my sifu is a polyphasic sleeper, but then again he also does a lot of qigong.

howbout makin this a polyphasic thread ^.^v

lore has it that sleep may very well fall into the same pattern of habitual misbehavior that slowly causes one to lose touch with his inner gaywad. think of the 3 precious cauldron numerous practitioners mention. the sin of the lower tan tien is of course losing ones semen in very physical way. the danger of losing vitality in the middle tantien/cauldron could lie in eating (benifits of fasting and how you feel and act when you didnt have that sandwich). so maybe SLEEPING could be associated with the NI-WAN

How does a perineum lock stop one from ejaculating?

feel free to consider this a stupid question but after surfin wikipedia for some time i just had to put it here

do women (womb-men scnr) have a prostate?

lol.. perhaps if the base chakra were more open it wouldn't be so easy?

you know theres actually more to this than you might think. recently i got hold of one of leadbeaters books ("the chakras"). the postition he allocates the root chakra in turned out to be different from the orthodox place in a remarkable way. luk says that its at acupoint conception vessel zero -> the bridge between male genitalia and rectum. now according to leadbeater its the coccyx. that would make huge difference because the latter resides in the tu mo channel (governor channel) whereas the former in the jen mo channel (ch of function)

I've not "spilled my cup" at least through masturbation or intercourse now for 8 months. It did give me more energy at first but now it's really no biggie. In fact it can bother me at times as I feel castrated and I feel my sexuality diminishing one day (to a point that might be damaging), but the next if I give some thought of sex then it can awaken again.

youre great

what do you think of the following hypothesis: nocturnal emission starts becoming a threat when you stop being a virgin

well hes off it for 8 months^^ think of an umbilical cord which happens to be cut by some event causing you to leak. could there arise ANY possible benefits from being a grown up? (that is implying that you didnt just do it with another person of the same gender)

thanks bro

an additional motivator could be that youll have to tell when youre out, ill do likewise.. like when youre really tired and want ro sleep for a couple of hours instead of napping 15min in sitting position then youll know that youll have to tell em tomorrow you blew it and that may prove motivational to pull it through

turn on to taoism :E

id be more verbose and answer all but my room is a mess and so am i

from friday it will be roughly a hundred days till this years summer soltice

whos with me

im currently researching on sleep patterns

it will definately not be possible to get a decent amount of sleep during that time.. youll lose it as fast as half an hour when fallen asleep

the nasa did some studies on it

for your consideration http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/3606/dscn3201m.jpg

to complicate matters even more, rosalyn l bruyere writes in wheels of light (http://www.amazon.com/Wheels-Light-Chakras-Healing-Energy/dp/0671796240/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1267198639&sr=8-1) that "men and women have a first-chakra placement that differs by almost two inches in the body" (p.144)