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I think we do better when we focus on what we pay attention to more then what is 'real'

My thought, isn't 'real' but at times it can get damn annoying.  My clinginess to them, particularly the negative ones is affects the quality of my life.  I meditated by a lake today.  Water, birds, sky, ripples, smells.. It was real and enjoyable, but does it matter?  It was made better because I didn't cling to it.  Philosophize it.  I experienced it. 

Tonight I'll watch TV, is that viewing real?  I like the saying 'Sacred is what you make sacred'.  Real is what you connect with.  Hopefully its something positive.

Our relationship to something may be more important than if it's real.   

On 5/28/2024 at 9:26 AM, Apech said:

I think that fruit loops may be the most unreal food in existence.

Disagree.  Real lasts.  With time and inspection, the unreal disappears.

Thus Fruit Loops along with twinkies are beacons of permanence.  

I bend reality all the time, in VR.  FEAR ME oh dots and dashes of light, for I have destroyed you a 1,000 times.  

In the tic toc world there's a fundamental practice linked to a difficult koan I'm working on inorder to reach the first jhana which promises bliss and joy centered on inner peace of being.  The ideal is, in time to move beyond it but seems like a worthwhile step.  

As far as real, I find nouns (people, place and things) real.  Whereas pronouns, verbs, adverbs seem transitory. 

Also, if it doesn't drive you mad, I find there's much to gain in believing competing paradigms.   

6 hours ago, Brad M said:

 

I have this vague memory of being a child, sitting in my parents living room in a one piece pair of pajamas.  Everything was new.  I had no conceptions of what anything should look like, or any conceptions about myself or society.  It was just me, coexisting and being with my loving family.  For me, that is what reality is.  Over time, that childhood presence has since been clouded by a complex web of conceptions and mental patterns that have built up my mind.  Yet, when the clouds break, the same child emerges.  The reality of this world is you sitting in your backyard like a child, admiring the energy of a magnificent tree with no reflection on what it means or entails. 

 

In other words, this life is very real (and wonderful), its our conceptions of it that are empty.  

This points to the joy of having kids and grandkids.  It allows another chance to re-experience childhood awareness.  Going to parks, rolling the ball, playing tag.. enjoying the world through the newness of their eyes.  

Competition plays an important role in evolution but so does adaptation.  Evolving overly competitive- too big, too strong, too.. toothy and you can't adapt when change happens and it's catastrophic. I don't think the strongest human survives, rather being clever and able to work well with others has been our key.  

There's a balance between the selfish (competitive) and communal (working together) that has to be balanced for a person and society to thrive.  Winning and innovating are great.  Hoarding supplies, stifling other's innovation is bad.  So imo nothing wrong w/ healthy competition, it can bring out the best in us, but when winners start dictating that theirs is the best and only way then there's problems.  

Welcome to the site, great to have people with TCM experience and esoteric studies onboard.

3 hours ago, surrogate corpse said:

 

People say all kinds of things, what matters is what's true, as our temp-banned friend was reminding us a few pages back. (That wasn't what he was wrong about.)

 

I think there is a fundamentally asymmetry between "we should mutilate ourselves to be appealing to normies so they'll give us crumbs of acceptance" and "I would rather be who I actually am and be hated than be accepted for what I am not".

 

The people who say that the freaks are the barrier to acceptance are evil. I despise them. They are cowards, sell-outs, and traitors. May they fix their black and broken hearts.

I never considered myself bigoted, I had gay friends in highschool but I don't think it was til my 40's and going to Burning Man events that I really got it-  Acceptance and appreciation for colorful, different, eccentric.. following your own beat and being your own person.  

For better or worse part of my acceptance is understanding for my brethren who aren't there yet, as long as they do no harm.   

I like to think of Dao (the philosophy, not the religion) as the study of nature and it's cycles.  How things ebb and flow using the tools of yin and yang and the 5 elements.  The Dao seems to like things simple and quiet though it has few rules.  When one follows the Dao, one flows with the circumstances of life, accepting and adapting.    

I started out in highschool with a very traditional Shotokan karate instructor.  He kept it simple, was passionate about the art, probably taught for free in the J.C.C.  We'd end sessions with our gi's covered in sweat.  Made some lifetime friends there.

In College did 2 years of Taekwondo.  It was nearby and college sponsored.  Didn't feel as connected, it felt commercial and with less heart than Shotokan.

After college starting out in business my biggest problem was stress.  I found Aikido, Ki-Aikido and helped me.  While practice was mostly pre-rehearsed moves, they were still full force.  You attacked hard, got thrown.. then roles were reversed.  Figuring out throws was like a physical koan.  Good people, some philosophy,  weekly ki-class on breathing, meditating, walking strongly.. even healing techniques.  Great year end Misogi training in January where we'd enter ice cold streams and do some ki-ai's.  

On 5/7/2024 at 3:30 PM, blue eyed snake said:

 

oh, excuse me, i did not make myself clear.

 

he told me : i have this bunch of young and often quite aggressive guys and I teach them to be more dangerous then they already are. So I need to instill some responsibility in them. That's much harder then teaching them the physical things.

 

That's why I had my kids take karate when young.  It was one of the few places, other than the home, where there was talk of control, humility, honor, respect.  

I wouldn't be surprised to see it prehistoric cave art.  Before chairs, it seems a logical way to sit.  Even now, when I see a squarish rock or log, I'm sitting half lotus.  

2 hours ago, old3bob said:

 

I'm not familiar with using pokeballs as such a defense, aren't they small toy balls?  I imagine they wouldn't like pepper spray if you had to use it?

My son tells me those empty plastic balls can be useful for capturing strange otherworldly looking monsters, and these Alligator snapping turtles certainly look the part.  Example: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-Yk7WsH-4L8

I always feel very lucky when I see them, even a raised claw.  

23 hours ago, Taomeow said:

 

That's what Joe Rogan opined in one of his podcasts I recall.  He asserts that his MA friends and acquaintances who are accomplished fighters are the chillest folks ever in everyday life.  They let off all the steam and release all their aggressive impulses in training and sparring, and lose the need to act them out in their interactions with others outside the training hall.   

I'm not MA or particularly accomplished but that's one of the greatest benefits I got out of my decade or so in martial arts.  

When young and stressed if you can't release pent up energy constructively, it ends up in your head making you crazier.  

23 hours ago, old3bob said:

 

quite the creature, I imagine once they reach a certain size no other creatures dares to mess them!

I keep one of my kid's Pokeballs in the kayak as a last ditch defense if I'm ever swarmed by these Snappous Aligatormon.  

They've had one that's more than a 100 years old at a nature center (The Grove in Glenview IL) for as long as I can remember.  Old, mossy and rises to the surface once every 5 minutes to take a single breath the slowly sinks back down.

3 years ago near the Skokie Lagoon I stopped to see what people were staring at.  It was a small Alligator snapping turtle, in the stream across from the lagoon.  Last year in the spring on my first venture out canoeing there, the water was particularly clear and I saw a medium size snapper under my boat, gliding along.  I slowed and watched him, til he went deeper.  

This year while kayaking I saw a splash in the water from fish jumping.  I kept looking and a big singular claw came out of the water for a fraction of a second.  Alligator snapper?   Maybe.  

Downtown Chicago a large pond by the Lincoln Park zoo, has a alligator snapper or two in them.  Always amazing to see these large prehistoric looking reptiles so close to the city.  Kayaking the rivers and lagoons I'm seeing way more deer, muskrats, blue herons, cormorants and water snakes than ever before.  

1 hour ago, Nintendao said:

 

South Park is sometimes brilliant, sometimes droll.  The Marklar episode was brilliant philosophy.  

If I had to write a dissertation for a doctorate in philosophy, I'd use that episode.  Obviously I wouldn't  

pass but then again there's not much money in philosophy.  Writing for TV on the other hand.. 

and the Gongsun Longzi text is off my reading list..

4 hours ago, dwai said:

What is the sound of One Hand Clapping?

Simpsons did it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6YSfEKMeC8

One thing I like about Buddhism is they didn't overly dwell on metaphysics, tending to be focused on here and now.   

Can't help thinking after-life theology is mostly about conjecture and control.  

12 hours ago, idiot_stimpy said:

Maddie, if you are reborn as a human in the next life will you have attachment or aversion to the bodies sex at birth or just leave it be?

If I'm reborn as a human in the next life..

I will file a complaint.  I want some time off. 

for my good or bad behavior.  

Here's what comes to my mind.  Once you've attained wisdom you can 'live every second without hesitation (thought)'.  

On a daily basis we don't confront evil as much as ignorance.    The conditioned mind waivers and judges, considering past and future.  The wise mind acts or not, moves through life, leaving a smoother path.  Thing is, an idiot also acts without thinking and leaves chaos and trouble.  Until one has attained wisdom, thus leaving a path of peace, gaining wisdom is important.  

So, imo, its not just quiet mind we're after but a wise one informed by solid dharmic traditions.  

For me, there's a 'point' lower and more inner that I seem to strike during deep relaxed breathing.  

I'm more interested in seeing the advanced students rather than the master.  They show if the system is learnable.  Same with the martial arts, it's not the sensei you'll become, if you're diligent, it's the senior students under them.  Are they talented, are they balanced?  Or in the case of this thread, do they have similar 'powers'?  

The masters have given their whole life to the system, huge sacrifice.  Top students give a few hours a day, everyday for decades.  

On 4/4/2024 at 5:49 PM, old3bob said:

my old cat brought its rabbit kill home to share with me, so I made well cooked rabbit stew out of it.  

You Are a country man.  

I'm still waiting for the alley cat that prowls around my house daily to bring me some restaurant coupons.  

Not too esoteric but I rinse my mouth out vigorously a few times a day.  After meals and whenever I'm in the washroom I'll rinse and spit til no teeny bits of food appear.  This should also de-acidify my mouth, hopefully slowing or halting cavities. 

A bit more esoteric when I do a yoga-nidra relaxation routine at night- where you slowly relax parts of the body, I'll end by energetically circling my gums a few times, slowly in both directions.  The hope being where you put your attention/chi blood and healing follow.  I expect at my low level its a minor thing but do it a couple hundred times a year and it might add up to something.  

At my last dental visit a few days ago my dentist was surprised at the health of my teeth.  Something that did not always happen in my youth since At 7 I learned a quarter would get me fistful of jelly beans.