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Hi there, i thought id give it a shot... since i saw there are a couple of CC fans on this forum. Has anyone read this book, im sure we can find it somewhere free on the web, there are a lot of valuable information in it about cultivation, that can apply to a lot of different paths. The story goes that CC left a legacy to one of his hidden students, to publish a book on the workshop notes he attended in the early years of CC's teaching, even before the tensegrity was made public. This mission was accorded to Armando Torres, for CC forseen that his followers and detractors would make his teachings loose their edge and direction. It is a refreshment, and also a zip/archive type of a book that has in it all the dramatism, wisdom, genius and insight of the previous books of CC. this being said, i hope we can make something out of this one thanx L1 http://www.thenagualbook.com/ here is the piece of jewel The Survival of the Assemblage Point "Carlos," I asked him, "what happens to us when we die?" "It depends," he answered. "Death touches us all, but it is not the same for all. Everything depends on one's energy level." He assured me that the death of an ordinary person is the end of his journey, the moment when he has to return to the Eagle all the awareness he obtained while alive. "If we don't have anything else than our life force to offer it, we will be finished. That kind of death erases any feeling of unity." I asked him if that was his particular opinion, or part of the traditional knowledge of seers. He answered: "It is not an opinion; I have been on the other side and I know. I have seen children and adults wandering over there and I have observed their efforts to remember themselves. For those who dissipated their energy, death is like a fleeting dream, filled with bubbles of steadily fading memories, and then nothing." "Do you mean that when we dream, we approach the state of the dead?" "We don't just approach it, we are there! But since the vitality of our body remains intact, we can return. To die is literally a dream. "You see, when an ordinary person dreams, he is not able to focus his attention on anything; he doesn't have anything but his fragmented memories, fed with experiences he has accumulated in the course of his life. If that person dies, the difference is that his dream lengthens and he doesn't wake up again. It is the dream of death. "The journey of death can take him to a virtual world of appearances, where he will contemplate the materialization of his beliefs, of his heavens and private hells, but nothing else. Such visions start disappearing in time, as the impulses of memory wear out." "And what happens to the souls of those who die?" "The soul doesn't exist, what exists is energy. Once the physical body disappears, the only thing left is an energy entity fed by memory. "Some individuals are so oblivious of themselves that they die almost without realizing it. They are like people with amnesia, people who have a blockage of the assemblage point and can no longer align memories, they don't have any continuity; as such , they feel permanently on the brink of oblivion. When they die, those people disintegrate almost instantaneously; the impulse of their lives only lasts for a few years at the most. "However, most people take a little longer disintegrating, between one hundred and two hundred years. The ones who had lives full of meaning can resist for half a millennium. The range expands even more for those who were able to create bonds with masses of people; they can retain their awareness during entire millennia."

Hello, since quite a long time i have been interested in this kind of practice. So far i only found out about a couple of body movements that are repeated sequentially, and this, they say, would be Xiang Gong. I wonder what it really means, and what would a Xiang Gong Meditation would be like... if anyone found out more about it. Thanks L1

LOL no That's how it has been interpreted for educated westerners (bulk of the 'daoist' crowd). I used to watch movies and documentaries, and suggest people do the same when they first start, it's really a torture, especially after you get past the first 20 minutes or so. After a few months to a year or so you can stand without distraction. Don't be greedy, wanting to get ALL the benefit all at once, It'll get you in your body regardless, you need some distraction to bear away the pain.

I've started experimenting, practicing the 99 form taolu (yes, Stig, it's the one you know, Chen Weiming lineage, learned here in China from a good teacher, actually I've been meaning to talk to you about the training, hope we can chat on messenger?), I'm doing it fast, certain motions are slow, others explosive, still other piercing or crushing. The monkey man is right, fights aren't slow.

second phrase: the birth (creation) of all men and things have this Qi as [point of] origin

I have to read Sun Lutang now

LOL In truth every form of the taiji (it's made out of individual shapes, 24, 36, 85, 99, 108...) is so complex in it's articulation, learning taiji is like learning to walk again. Differently.

what is it exactly, from TCM point of view?

garlic, well good, I was just preparing a special tincture

Someone close to me, an elderly person, is suffering from shortness of breath and exhaustion. Thinking of buying some Cordiceps, it alegedly improves this condition. The first mention of the 'kidneys failing to graps the qi' just rang a bell for some reason. I'll study more into it.

It doesn't mean anything, it's an umbrella.

Interesting. I would love to hear more.

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Call me Little1, Marbles. Somebody's enjoying my twisted humour, lol.

It is, absolutely egotistical, the spiritual thing to do is to let the other one mugg you, rape you, stab you or shoot you, because it's your Karma. Don't worry, the Universe will take care of him, and if he kills you, your Karma is transferred to him, saving you countless rebirths, how neat is that! Don't worry, just dissolve into the Light, brother. Plus you're freed from this meat cage, free to fly away and be with the angels on the higher planes. Which I hope you actually do, you and all the people posting simmilar questions...

pfff, you make it sound like it's the same type of choice one makes between a ham sandwich and a cheeseburger, a turtle neck or a sweater, pasta or pizza... damn consumerism

Good thread. Are you familiar with Chinese spagyric methods, other than making simple teas or tinctures?

LOL Andrei, iar pierzi timpul pe net cu habarnistii

True!

I'm too... dense like that not aspiring to become a saint either

IMHO the only gains you can count are the ones that let you enjoy your stay here on this beautiful earth, for other purposes what we need is not to gain, but to lose, the more you empty up, the closer you come to the emptiness that generates, allows, supports and destroys everything in existence.

that's precisely why I'm avoiding group sessions lately, other people's winds, it will initiate more that thoughts though. no beans before meditation, word

Religion in fact (or thought system as others prefer it called) offers you a means to interpret what happens to you. The more systems you mix up, the more confused the intepretations are, because even if they overlap on some points, there's alot of nuance that doesn't, the Devil is in the details i guess; so at some point it could be counterproductive... By all means, look at the neighbours if you like to, I only meant to explain why others won't. But I do, my nose is up their picket fences all the time, just because I can't take either of them too seriously. I just take care not to switch paradigms too casually, and respect them for what they are.

Why would they need to? Religions that don't dismiss the practical and mundane, such as the two we're talking about are complete systems, you have all you need in there. Christians (open minded ones, not fundies) have to look to their neighbours alot, because we lost much of what helped us to deal with things we conjured up the gods for in the first place: the mundane, the daily wear and tear.... eschatology is important, I agree, yet the space between birth and death is an immense no man's land, there's very little in the Bible to help you with that. If the religion you were born into were complete and addressed all the possible problems you may face in life in a positive and efficient manner (in their respective culture...), would you still look to the neighbours? If your partner offers you what you need in life from a partner, would you still flirt with strangers?

What I've been noticing in China, in both Chinese Taoist and Indian Hindu communities, is that they always refer to their training as being part of their faith/national culture. Much has been interationalized, I agree. However when I proposed the Chinese Taoists to learn some Yoga, I got the same reaction as when I proposed the Hindu Yoga practitioners to learn some Taiji: polite smiles. In the West we treat these practices as collectibles, I was so embarrased, I realized I was acting like a kid trying to exchange toys...