rain

What you describe as "...actually admit" in a tone of utter condemnation is what I call "Not being ashamed to speak the truth in all things, no matter how ignorant of the matter others may be who rush to judgment".

 

What you describe as "...this mentality" is your judgmental and condescending tone coming from someone who doesn't know shit about shit and finds the distance and anonymity of an internet forum to be their soapbox, upon which they can easily sit and vomit their spew.

 

I know what you think of it...

 

You love it...

Because you know full well that things in Norway cost three to five times more than in the U.S. and that Norway is the most expensive place in the world to live...beating out Japan. Thus any foreigners setting up a business will face building, labor or renovation costs that are going to be a huge disparity over what it would cost for them to setup a business in their own home country. And, should they want an employee or two, they won't be paying them $7-8$ bucks an hour, but over four times that much at around $30/hour.

 

You love it...

Because you know full well the $10,000 dollars I received was exactly how much it took just to cover the extensive cost to officially incorporate my business in the expensive Norwegian system, whereas back home in the U.S. it would cost me only $300. Another huge disparity and reason why the money is available to a foreigner to assist in starting a business. Especially if they decide they need you here. None of that money went toward establishing the physical business itself, just the legal corporate entity on paper. For this high fee, back in the U.S., I could have set up thirty corporate bodies. A 1 to 30 disparity in expense.

 

You love it...

Because you know full well that a foreigner here having to learn a new language, business and tax laws is at a serious business disadvantage for the first three years until they somewhat become a master of the system on all levels. Lest you be shunned into business failure thinking speaking English will be acceptable by the populace, especially with such a personalized health service like I provide. The personal funds shelled out on education and course costs for business and law for basic business needs was well over the amount granted to me by the state.

 

You love it...

Because you know full well that the service I provide is rare and valuable to the community where I live who benefit greatly regarding maintenance of their health.

 

And that by coming to see me for stress reduction and injury prevention the total amount of money saved by the state for out-of-work back and neck related pain in sick pay and welfare benefits is above and beyond the $10,000 granted to me. All within the first six months of my initial operations. Which I proved to them would be the case with years of data I have kept with my corporate accounts and group rates. This money saved by the state is well over a hundred times more than the $10,000 granted to me just to cover incorporation costs.

 

You love it...

Because you know that the likelihood of a self-owned and rurally located business with a small population has a tremendous likelihood to overcome which is going out of business within the first year. No matter your business plan and no matter how good and professional your intentions and preparations. I am used to working in an area of 5 million potential customers within a two city area of Miami and Fort Lauderdale back in Florida. There are only 4.8 million in Norway total. Another disparity that will sink you quick in many a business venture.

 

You love it...

Because you know so many people native to Norway do their best to get a cushy, comfortable, safe, secure "state" job within the system with all the welfare benefits and thus the lack of stimulus for private business ownership and entrepreneurial ventures, and being responsible for yourself is low.

And that this, in the long run, becomes even more of a drain off the public welfare system and draws people into a complacent non-competitive state of mind. And that lack of competitiveness creates a dulled zombie not capable of critical or progressive thinking and developments.

 

I am so successful now, even against all the disparities and challenges, that a new client has to wait eight weeks to get an appointment.

 

But for you...sweetie pie...you can wait twelve weeks.

 

No wait, let me rephrase that.

 

If you were bruised and bleeding rolling around half-witted in a gutter moaning for my assistance to help you to your feet...I would let you lie in the damp cockroach laden filth of your own soiled underwear before ever lifting a finger to help someone the likes of you.

 

(As I would not want to adopt the mentality that you may actually need my assistance...no...no...no. You would get a swift kick in your crusty ass as I tell you to, "Get a job"..."You go getter you!" And thus you would be content writhing in your own filth...as you know the universe was being fair to you and giving back what you give out.)

I know that I am not some faceless moniker, that norway has placed all the ridiculous oil money in risky affairs, is polluting its shores, building foreign sandcastles, probably already lost everything in america owned by china, that they are supporting this and that and probably is the only country in the world who has politicians who believe they can create peace in tghe middle east by just suggesting it. we have no backbone and dont daresay that we dont like being chased from specific ghettos by agressive sponsored muslims raping our women calling them whores.

It is a sad sad naive little country that welcomes people like you and makes it possible to establish business or even live on welfare, approx half a million people are living on social security and are payed the same as when they were in full employment.

You dont know me and you wont get to know me

Iknow that we do not need yet another brain dead selfabsorbed foreigner to come lecture us about a lack of ingenious roots

Btw you do write a lot of nonsens, if you do not like my attitude maybe you should check out your own.

I just spent three weeks on the coast and sailing in Kristiansand this summer for vacation.

Nice place. I like it much more than the capital city of Oslo.

 

If you can establish a necessity for a health service you have training in, even alternative, and can show that there is public interest and present positive testimonials from those who benefit, the government will actually give you funds to assist you in setting up your operations.

 

I have lived in Norway for five years now and ten written testimonials by Norwegian clients were helpful in my getting thousands of dollars granted to me for opening a practice and business in bodywork. As a foreigner, I am also given some tax relief for the first couple years of my business operation to assist in making it a success.

 

Chi gong has started popping up here and there probably by those getting similar assistance. This is what happens when you have a thriving surplus economy with a lot of money in reserves due to a small population and good profits from oil and natural gas spilling over into public health and welfare services. This is what Americans should be getting back home in all areas of life. There is no reason why they should not other than corruption in corporate owned government and greed.

 

This why I chose to come to and raise a family. I had learned back in 1998 that the U.S. economy and real estate was going to tank in the upcoming decade. The problem is much worse than most realize or is talked about in the news. Rather than write my politicians or protest against U.S. foreign policy, domestic anti-terrorism laws robbing my freedom, wiretapping citizens, international torture operations, etc., which wouldn't change a thing, I thought I would do the ultimate protest and withdraw my tax dollars from financing such a beast. It isn't a matter of not being patriotic, giving up on American or even fear. Those are the accusations others will throw at me that just don't understand my ethics and modus operandi in life.

 

Norway is not perfect so don't believe all the hype one may find on the internet about it.

The people have a lot of work to do on themselves in many areas, but must be made to see and be motivated to do a self-inventory of their tendencies toward propped-up grandiose, and at the same time small-minded, attitudes. They tend to inflate themselves a bit too much and think they are better than they really are. A typical Western-inspired attitude coupled with nouvo-riche of an oil-based economy.

There are exceptions of course.

This is it in black & white.

you actually admit that you after a mere five years already have succeeded to get money from the state (because you can)

that the state assists youin trying to make a successful business.

this mentality..I will NOT tell you what I think of it but let you guess for yourself

Nationalist strands in public media.

 

I am not sure what this means.

Could you elaborate?

 

If I were to assume what you mean it is that the media portrays Norway in a much exaggerated positive light and avoids any negative, yet valid, real criticisms of its society. Like the ostrich burying its head in the sand? And absent those criticisms, the ability to examine them and the desire to improve upon them, maintains a status quo of non-change relegated to an excuse or abuse of the false claim of holding onto "tradition" (but actually to the detriment of actual self-development and positive evolution). And what kind of smartphone you have, fashion you wear, or car you drive is not an indicator of evolution I am speaking of.

 

I try not to be harsh and question my observations often, but then the evidences to support them become so overwhelming that I must suspend...niceties.

 

There is a profound unworldliness and naivety to the people in Norway and I attribute my criticisms regarding their outward demeanors-attitudes as a compensation for this naivety. Almost a subtle insecurity or fear. Like children in some respects. But this can have its positive side as well.

 

This watered-down chi gong will become the new fad as everyone will want to be seen in public waving their arms up and down, set up a few accessory boutiques, establish their social hierarchies, puff themselves up with a false sense of superiority and then head out for pub night, pickup some snus and pølse like always.

 

I see you are based in Oslo.

Are you a native, one of the "brødskive" peoples?

y e s

(grandiose naive display)

great post btw. the description of your own feelings about watered down info is just sweet. I so relate to that paranoia. and, like you I am totally convinced we're on to the bitter truth.

something that doesn't really interact with anything is changing something that can't be changed

 

Briliant, that is my new goal, to become some thing that does not interact but still changes what cant be change.

react is not the same as interact

but I guess they know what they are saying

the perception of someting changing is never

independant of whats changed

or?

I don't conserve jing only for spiritual gain...

 

it's just that now, for me to cum, it really drains me. Physically, mentally and... stagnates me spiritually.

 

It's not about achieving greatness. It's just that the next day after sex I'm in a fog, I am not feeling life, I am a ghost not fully appreciating what is going on around me.

 

Compare this to not having cum for a while... and keeping control of sexual urges by letting go and Micro/Macrocosmic orbit that starts up naturally, I feel alive, able to make more influence on the world... able to think clearly, my imagniation stronger and able to convert those imaginations to reality. I feel normal.

 

However, I am with a woman. She's good for my soul, inner smile, happiness.

However, she views me not wanting to cum as me not giving my love. She says I will lose love if I don't do this. I say when I do it I feel love for her, strengthening us. All I do now is consider it a test and resolve that sorry, this is more important then her; my health is more important than her, because I have to love myself first before I can love others.

 

 

But I would like to hear how others approach this subject.

well..

It seems she is still stuck with a world view that does not incorporate yours?

I have to smile because I remember having a boyfriend on a diet controlling candida, to me

it seemed like he could eat nothing but tons of ricecrackers and cucumber and he had a strange

habit of hoarding in solitude...and was rather

stingy on his ejaculations to regulate energy. (we were not aware of retention pracise at that time)

I felt rejected, then my feelings towards him changed as I felt he was acting stingy and paranoid

and finally I regarded him utterly selfish unloving and unattractive. He was trying to love himself

yes

but I was totally unforgiving of the way he chose to do this...

I was not a good partner and we both knew to little

I guess?

Now a decade later I have lived celibate for 5 years with a partner that is a hundred times more mature than I

ever was

god I love him enough to roll around

dont shut her off

far too many of our responses are automatic

but not supportive energetically

sometimes we need space to sort these things out

holding back on something is for lettin something else enter the horizon

I am sure a woman would appreciate this explanation.

satelites..arent they made from aluminium and mangan and titanium amongs other things..

(we are in for future some treats aren't we?)

(my titan jaw is already behaving unsteadily)

btw I think drew is wrong the exchange is not btw third eye and perennium

but btw crown chakra and perennium.

Nobel prize is not for "like e leaf in the wind" Taoists

ame='rain' date='20 August 2010 - 10:47 AM' timestamp='1282301223' post='208556']

 

 

Yes.. when I read Pietro's post I felt sad about male unconsciousness too. The women he speaks of are fully aware of their need for sexual healing, of their limits that they want to overcome... and then there are the men, not knowing their damage, not recognising their limits, wanting sex to be the way they think it should be, according to their script. Unable to be fully present to sexual reality in the moment, blinded by their own limits. I feel that I have done so much sexual healing for men who are open and responsive, but then the 'controlling' and 'impossible to communicate with' ones just render the possibility for creative sexual flow utterly dead.

 

I can fully see why men would want virgins/women who dont know what is going on sexually.

Thank you for highlighting the core of this message Cat, I was counting on you.

Let's hope the guys in this forum have had so much sexual healing that they understand.

http://www.aolnews.c...uction/19596705

 

But, also, of course, alchemy relies on storing up male sex energy -- and then the chi electromagnetic energy is naturally sucked up by females....

 

I seriously think this has been grocely oversimplified and has led to a grave halt in human spiritual development.

Funny this thread should come up today, I have been seriously contemplating on ditching the whole qigong scheme, not because of the exercises per se, they are logic enough if you realize that it is about positive and negative ions and energy cultivated in your body. But when it gets down to joining the communities around these eastern methods..I puke. I puke when I read about fixing the hymens.

I am a woman and I know that when fucked (by a man) I loose creative energetic potential.

And you know WHY? because this freakin estupido notion of only men loosing something has caused the world to believe that women are objects to be taken (from). This complex in male psyche make men so neurotic and difficult in bed, almost impossible to comunicate with ..so boring..so controlling..so uptight.

those suckers or should I say energetic vampires who treat women as objects do nothing but

drain us. think of the young leftbrained intellectuals with mothercomplexes, neurotic casanovas,

using deranged tantra and "kunlun cherche le famme" as an excuse. Makes me sick to the core.

I love lemongrass in stir fries. Had not considered it for a stew.... tasty.

Yes in fact I had neither, but being a practical chef, I discovered that green or red currybased thaisoups make exellent stock or base for stew.

It is sent dear, its just something weird the forum does now. *waves*

 

Peace

oh. relieved. plop.

rings.

I am lazy so I love throwing meat into my slow cooker in the morning, some veges in the afternoon and then enjoying a nice stew or curry that evening.

 

But I make these using "packet" flavours and I'm thinking about having a go myself with herbs and spices to get away from the added sugar and preservatives in the commercial products.

 

 

 

So anyone got simple tasty recipes? I don't want to go too hard core right away and while I can get some fresh herbs, mostly it will be those dried ones from the supermarket.

slow cooking is so nice Mal, just made an organic chicken stew today with some of the mentioned fresh ingredients; to spice it up; chilantro, celeryroot, parsley, carrots, estragon, onions onions onions large or small red or yellow, chilipepper, garlic, grinded black pepper and seasalt flakes. (add other green veggies I dont know the names for those I chose tday)

aand..then you have lemongrass, honey, lime, cumin, dill, basil, thyme, lemon. you can just throw the herbs right in or work slightly on them in a morter first, together with some oil and lemon or honeyon if you want to rub or cover if you are cooking smthng in the oven.

nice. conference freewheeler caught in a moment of peace?

.dbl

Fett..

I try t send pm but get the message "undefined"

(I am logged in and also slightly confused) what am I doing wrong?

rain

Very beautful thread, very beautiful questions and reflections upon

esp loved the mature insight on expectations...

when you have made enough space inside through emptiness meditation to hold this awareness in the space between your solar plexus and your heart you may be able to enjoy the freedom of

movement without measurement.

Somehow I'm in the habit of commenting late in the thread...

just to add a few points.

 

I think the orbit is over-emphasized. Practically I think that learning about all of the channels is most effective, the 12 ordinary and the 8 extraordinary. But that does not market well. Imagine saying "ok, we're gonna learn 20 channels and countless points"? No one would show up at that school, so the orbit is the effective intro. But the fact is that we are integral beings: All of the channels are important.

 

Though if you had to pick one channel that is eventually the one you're going to hang out with the most, it'd have to be the central (core, sushumna) channel. The Profound Transformations all happen there, and everything else works a lot better once a few beads on the central channel are Lit.

 

That's my late 2 cents.

Sometimes I am really surprised at what I read. I and a lot of other practitioners certainly enrolled into a medic qigong course that takes many years to excel in..and we were instantly introduced to the basic fact that we were going to work first at least one year on the 12 ordinary, then for severalyears on the 8 extraordinary, and still put in many more for advanced levels. Aware of the fact that without combining this with classic acupuncture studies we still are dealing with fairly superficial info and have to study on our own to gain more insight into the material.

The combination of taichi..the working on natural elements..in chias systematic innerorgan related alchemy practise esp the kan and li process..sublimation of sexual energy...bliss..the foundationing of core strength and breathwork in tkd and static luohan and the stilling of mindand emptiness through sitting and forgetting..the spontaneous symptomatic expression whic at best leads you diretly to blockages or love...all has been tremendously rewarding

I've been a sushumna addict ever since I was shaken by the power of this hose..and have had to deal with a serious setback karmically due to lack of overall maturity. I say look at the golden flower the merkaba instead..for a start

feeling neauseous, may have said something wrong? or right?

I also dont think it is about controlling kundalini ,but to stop resisting and allowing /accepting her to manifest through body/mind.

It is fresh intelligence manifesting and old set of habits/thought structures are being totally reshaped.She is changing everything and totally knows what she is doing, so relaxing is the key.It is like trying to stop Sun from shining.

Some time ago Ive read a poem by an Indian sage(cant remember his name),but he says

"...to really love ,means to embrace uncertainty."

maybe it is not only about kundalini rising

but also about what you are after she has risen

Thank you for posting this site with the trial sound.

Listened to it twice, it immediately hit my wrists and my ankles and the overtones with sound like "blades make wind"

expanded me, vocal sinking halftones grounded, and the music alltogether pulled the left

and right together in a state of harmony.

I dont know much about these things but it was lovely.

I believe that many need to believe in being moved by something higher than ourselves.

Be that god or guru.

or subcoscious.

(or particular substances released in our bloodstream)

It may even be that we would stand still - in the notion of I* solation.

There is form and thereis formelss. Should we be any different?

Question could be how do they meet instead of which one is the truest.

I don't know what you mean by "since" but I practiced it for over 2 years. I have met the teacher in person: she's a talented healer and I had some interesting experiences.

 

While I don't dare doubt the transmission she gave to initiate one into the practice -- I certainty felt it -- my problem with the exercises we were required to practice. Truly spontaneous qigong is actually really difficult, because of the propensity of the ego/mind to interfere. My first qigong teacher told me that, and after practicing I have to agree. My feeling with doing these exercises is was this the qi, or was this me engineering the result I wanted? I'm sure if I had a life time of meditation under my belt, I might have been able to answer that question. But leaving doubts in my mind, I desisted from practice.

 

Now I wonder why I was into spontaneous qigong at all. I mean just what is so wrong, or boring, with just standing still? There are moments where my body and mind alignment settle into this stillness and equilibrium and I glimpse with great clarity how the energy in my body and around me is interacting. When that happens, it leaves my most wild spontaneous qigong sessions in the dust.

m.hm

.

rainbow vein...

wax on wax off.

nothing to go nuts about.

You make very good points about this and indeed I REALLY like the description of why/when of not doing the MCO by your teacher.

 

I know sometimes these things boil down to semantics and in the end we are all referring to the same thing.

 

I will attempt clarification of what I mean and have experienced but I do know that many will take exception to this and Pietro will probably object to my use of the word quantum.

 

I teach and was taught from the standpoint of infinite high vibration levels of energy. In my system, we differentiate Visualization and INTENT. Our way of looking at this is that Visualization itself is not a direct method as it involves the linear process of visualizing and utilizes the brain/mind in doing so. Of course the brain has finite measurable wave lengths. We say this process imposes a finite limitation of the amplitude and intensity of the energy because it adds a finite variable, the mind/brain itself. Instead we look at INTENT as a direct manipulation of energy by one's Higher Level Self (not attached to mind and brain) and a quantum level event with a potential for unlimited amplitude and intensity where amplitude could be said to be analogous to Voltage and Intensity could be said analogous to the Current. Both are shaped by INTENT itself. An example is when we project qi for healing. We set INTENT first so as to manifest a certain outcome. Then we DO - not visualize. When applied to cultivation the outcome can be instantaneous, much more powerful, and not limited or misdirected by mind.

 

And indeed I was objecting to the use of the word breathingwhich is so popular by many; it's ties to the visualization process as well as why this is described as "breathing" instead of as "pulling in energy".

Personally I am not convinced that intent comes from the higher level self even if I can feel it ignite all the energycenters. Breathing though,.. seems to come from a higher spiritual source than mine own. Grateful I am. And even moreprofound the breath througthepalms..and thepores.But then again..that may not count for much. I do not know the Universe.

I live and act as if I do believe exactly what you describe, and I have praised intent what defines the target of the arrow before..but still..something..seems funny.

interesting really..seems to me to be a mindful crossroad btw my ego and something

else

The Cherokee medicine/origin stories are quite interesting. This may or may not be what you are looking for. There is one particular Cherokee Medicine Woman who is quite into this and I think she probably knows more on this than anyone I have heard of. The problem is it has been some time since I made her acquaintance and I can't remember her name. If you search some of the Cherokee medicine then you may be able to find her. If I remember her name I will follow up.

thank you for all for pointing directions.

The Cherokee Rattlesnake Constellations...

I had recently enjoyed the stories of the dogon people and have an all too soft spot for synchronicity

I also focus on Electras particular vibrations. So very attractive to me.