adam mizner
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hi
what Michael is saying is correct. the method must be given and trained correctly, "you will never figure it out".
metta
adam
I have spoke with Phillips on the phone and through email. He is a generally an approachable guy.
The only thing that didn't sit well with me was one small comment, "you will never figure it out".
Now, I am a rather intelligent individual, and this took me by surprise. I truly believe, that most of this stuff can be figured out through time and practice. I mean, how did the other ancients figure it out, they were human too. A lot of my current teaching is based entirely on what I have discovered through repetitious training. Its the nature of things to evolve through time and training...
I understand the tensing of the joints. I can reproduce these effects with people who are super tense quite easily.
But the thing that struck me was the lack of tension and physical motion associated with some of the effects.
Another example of the Phillips technique is on this video.
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hi
simply put, no. different arts lead in different directions. the entire power generation in taiji for example is opposite to most arts.
as for showing someone what your art is about, well if your a taiji man then there is nothing like dropping them on their but or shooting them across the room. action speak louder than words.
metta
adam
I'm slightly lost in my training and wanted to ask your thoughts.
Firstly a question: do you believe all martial systems ultimately become alike? I mean in the sense that they all teach the same ideas/principles and so forth? If so what would they be in your opinion?
Is the internal aspect this high-end principle which unites arts?
I study Taijiquan and Qigong as some of you may know but I'm struggling to describe my path as a martial artist to those who are unfamiliar with the subject. Indeed how does one explain internal aspects, yielding and Qi to people who might be more used to hard skills like boxing or wrestling?
Your thoughts would be of interest mostly in relation to internal martial arts.
Peace.
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thanks for posting that
metta
adam
For those interested in the flavour of huang style Taiji Push hands seminar - New Video below
Enjoy,
mouse
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well said
i would recommend study of the pali canon to anyone who wishes for unbinding.
metta
adam
The sole difference is the way it is handled in the subconscious mind. These are poetic terms, also english translations. So the clarity in the actual meaning does need to be ascertained by going back to the Pali Suttas. One cannot read Vajrayana and Mahayana,
much less Dzogchen which on first glance looks like Advaita Vedanta, without first understanding the Pali Suttas. That's very serious if one wants to know the meaning. One will not attain realization just sitting in a cave meditating without proper guidance, unless one has already become a stream enterer in a previous life, but these guys still find guidance as an example and to clarify the meaning because stream entry is still not enlightenment. Otherwise, one reifies which is a Samsaric habit, even on a deep subconscious level. This habit of ours is beginning-less... very tenacious.The primordial ground is merely the ground of realization of the empty nature of all phenomena and non-phenomena. Nothing is really attained, Advaita says this too, because they deem all things to be subsumed by Brahman always. But in Buddhism, there is careful handling and utter clarity, not just... reify a conceptual-less ground of being that all is a part of. No, the Primordial ground is merely the fact that all levels of Samsara and Nirvana are always inherently without self essence. Also, even after enlightenment, you don't merge with the cosmos, your awareness just permeates everything because everything turns translucent, or transparent illumined by awareness endlessly, so one is able to ascertain at that point the secret meaning of everything within the context of dependent origination, because that's just how things work, both Nirvana and Samsara, it's not really a framework, not really a concept, but a concept killer, it empties all levels of reification, there is no ground of all being that is an ultimate truth, even dependent origination is not an ultimate truth, thus not even emptiness is an ultimate truth. That has been said since the very beginning. The Buddha said that Brahman is a mistaken interpretation of meditation experience in the Jhanas, which he practiced with Upanishadic yogis and found that they only led to future absorption and recycling after the end of this particular universe. Only Buddhism talks like this. Advaita Vedanta never talks about having a mind stream last beyond the re-absorption of a universe, at the end of the universe Theists and Monists merge with Brahman/Shiva, whatever. Any attempt to reconcile that is a later attempt due to Buddhist influence. Advaita Vedanta really is kind of a new invention, because before that, Samkhya was slightly dualistic. Even any of the good clear Upanishads are post Buddha, if not all of them, there is argument about this.
Also Buddhism is the only path that talks about individually infinite mind streams that have NO SOURCE at all what-so-ever. Only Buddhism talks about beginning-less-ness. Hinduism has always talked about Brahman being a primal source, becoming Gods and all other beings and things, but these gods recede back into Brahman after many kalpas, because even the Gods, Shiva, Brahma and Vishnu, probably until the Buddha taught them a thing or two, taught limited paths, called by the Buddha, eternalism.
Buddhas are the teachers of the Gods.
One never reifies an ultimate in Buddhism, even in realization, otherwise the realization would not be the middle way.
The differences have been laid out quite clearly by Xabir in the Advaita Buddhism thread. He recently quoted some very clear talks on the subject that do a better job than I can do in clarifying the middle path.
No matter what anyone tries to say, Advaita's realization is reified eternalism, it's an extreme. Buddhism is neither nihilism, nor eternalism.
There is eternity, but only because the flow of interdependency keeps going...
Not even Buddhas are one with each other, their mind streams are individual, but they are one in the qualities of enlightenment, compassion, bliss, freedom from proliferation, freedom from concepts, and freedom from non-concepts, freedom from a ground of being, freedom from minds expressions and mind streams as well. Total freedom, not trapped in a secret "can't talk about it", ground of being that constantly recycles the universe. To Buddhism, Brahman is samsaric experience.
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i am sure nick would be more than happy to give you a lesson, are they having a tong long comp this year?
metta
adam
Glad to hear you guys had fun, I was disappointed not to be able to make it.
Still there is always next time, I know how to approach these sort of thing properly now
I'm also flying down for a weekend in November (21,22) which should only be the 21st for Tong Long. (day not confirmed) If that happens I hope to be able to fit in a private session with Nick on the Sunday.
Will see how it all unfolds this time
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hi Mal
sorry you missed the seminar last weekend, ran smoothly and was fun. i will post when the video is done. hope your training is going well
metta
adam
Hi Adam,
Thank you for thinking of me
I would love to do some training. I'll start saving now. As soon as you know dates let me know and I'll start booking flights and looking for accommodation.
Cheers
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good good, this is the truth
metta
adam
I agree with the OP.
My experience is that, as long as the mind is engaged at all, there will be limitations. Instead of using what you call yi and intent, I use what I call INTENT which differs from the linear intent in that it is a non-linear quantum level event (a different interpretation of Yi). It is set, then forgotten. Then the qi accomplishes (or has already accomplished) whatever we set our INTENT, which in the case of what I do, is specific healing. If the mind is kept engaged a lot can be accomplished but it will always be less than when the mind is disengaged.
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Well said
metta
adam
In martial arts, the opponent is never wrong. The practice partner is rarely wrong.
Sometimes the student is wrong. But if this person is not your student, then don't bother about that.
If this person can stop your technique by simply tensing up, then your technique is flawed. Concentrate on fixing it.
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i dont think sex has anything to do with the highest tantra in vajrayana, although people would like to think it did. the deity with consort is a symbol of the union of emptiness and clarity which are the two main qualities in ati yoga or mahamudra.
in short i do agree with you that sex is not related to enlightenment. but it can be used in spiritual/magical matters. i have found it the most powerful way to release an electro magnetic volt into the akasha (for bardonists)
metta
adam
Ok. Maybe I was too flippant in my answer, but there was a reason for it. To me, spiritual sex is along the lines that Lin is thinking. I'm thinking of real tantric sex, which is a bad label given what people think of nowdays. I'm referring to the highest of tantras in the vajrayana, for the most accomplished of practitioners of which there are or have been very few.
All of us have felt a "union" when in love and having that session of perfect sexual love. There was a spot on the floor in a house I used to own that I considered "sacred" for one of those times. OK, minutes have just gone by as I relived that.
IMO though, that's not enlightened sex. It's just love and love is an emotiion. As good as it feels I wouldn't label it enlightened or spiritual. I guess it depends on where your mind was when doing it. In the highest tantra, my understanding anyway is that the union is occuring in emptiness. It's not at all about sex, but about union with the ultimate, thus all the iconographs of Buddhist or Hindu saints in consort.
I do understand where you're coming from. I just don't happen to agree, but that's ok too. Have fun. Us old married guys with kids can remember from time to time.
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it is the deluded self, the ego that is resonating with like and dislike, not to be trusted. the truth is often counter intuitive. most of the time it is the teachings we recoil from that we need most, just another reason for a teacher.
the Buddha "admirable friends(teachers) are the whole of the holy life"
the path to freedom goes against the grain.
metta
adam
I absolutely agree with your comment on resonating with what you are practicing or learning.
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in short i would say yes almost every being needs a teacher. ignorance cannot show the way out of ignorance. there is a point when one no longer needs a physical teacher but even after that point the teacher can be a blessing to bring you down to earth or give you a kick up the but.
metta
adam
I am curious as to what other people's opinions are on finding a Guru/Master/Teacher for your spiritual practice. I have not had one to date and have used books, youTube, forums (like this one), etc. to learn practices which I then do and learn directly from those experiences.
I've also done some 'experimental' meditation - for example during meditation if i do something such as move my eyes upwards I feel a strong sense of energy. I later found out that this is a type of yoga meditation for the ajna chakra. This has happened on a half a dozen occasions where I did something that resonated only to find out that it is a formal meditation practice.
So, is listening to the 'inner guru' (intuition) an effective technique or am I just reinventing the wheel through experimentation from time to time within my daily practice?
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in my view many are the differences yet just one wil do
the completion of step 10 is a form of becoming, nibbana is the ending of all becoming.
metta
adam
Interesting perspective! So from your point view, what is the difference between the final step of IIH and nibbana?
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as far as i use the word the completion of IIH is not enlightenment (nibbana) but we are talking hermetics and not Dhamma. in my view the completion of step ten makes one a true initiate. without my working through the initiation i would not have been able to understand and decode the Dhamma or taiji the way that i have. i consider the years working through the initiation my foundation and my blessing. it is not the end of the hermetic path but allows one access to all paths and skills. i also found great growth in the so called Kabbala and some of the exercises from the 4th book which was to be on alchemy (these were almost too powerful and very confronting). without the constant help of my teacher at the time i would not have had the success i have had with the work. all paths do not lead to the same goal (sorry new agers) so it comes down to ones choice and view on what the most important work is.
in reference to the topic, yes a path is repeatable. the cause and effect is the same, the universal laws are the same. what differs is the talent, effort and conditions of the student.
metta
adam
Adam Mizner -
Absolutely, but I don't mean enlightenment in terms of an ending of course. That clearly is the end of book 1, and if that was all there was to it, there would be no more books! But there are plenty more books. Still, yes. You don't agree?
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ok so completion of step 10 in your view is enlightenment.
and i know who Rawn is although we havnt talked in a number of years
i wonder if those 14 people had teachers, i have found that it made a huge difference for me in working through the steps.
metta
adam
Sorry Mikaelz, just noticed your questions -
ahem, neutralwire...
Hmm... I might have to write a short article on this to point to.
First off, read this page carefully:
http://www.abardoncompanion.com/IIH-Step10.html
... and realize that the only alternatives are that Rawn Clark is 'enlightened' (Adam Mizner -- my definition) or that he's lying. I could say, take it from me, he isn't lying, but there's really no point. If you're interested you will discover the truth. I'm not interested in those oh-yes-he-is-oh-no-he-isn't types of arguments!
Secondly, as I've mentioned before, Rawn did a survey of 500 people practicing Bardon's system and 14 had reached the end of the first book which means they were also enlightened. That was in 2003 if I remember. Again, whether you believe this is or true or not is your business, but I can assure you Rawn has ways of telling if people are lying or sincere on such an issue. For what that's worth.
Thirdly, that was only one survey. That wasn't everybody.
Fourthly, there are at least two other fairly public and fairly serious Bardonist teachers on the net, namely Moryason and Mistele, with their students.
Fifthly, there is alot that is completely private where Bardon is concerned. His system is growing much more outside the public eye than within it, because it doesn't dovetail too well with current cultural norms.
I could go on but this is easily enough!
To someone anonymous in a forum (however worthy the forum
) - you don't of course. One's own experience is what matters. These things are of course very personal.I agree with necessity for role models and they are out there, not only for Bardon's system either. Another system which for various reasons I'm sure can lead to enlightenment is that of Nan Huai Chin.
All best wishes,
~NeutralWire~
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Are you sure immortality and enlightenment are seperate things?
yes. they are not the same, and imortals are not imortal. very long life though
metta
adam
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bardons system delivers exactly what it says it will. if that is englightenment or not depends on your definition.
metta
adam
yes, i agree.. and that makes sense to me.
there was this one video on youtube, i'll try to find it if anyone is interested, but basically Wilber was asked about the role of the Guru in todays spiritual traditions and he responded that it definitely has benefit but that whole subservience comes from feudalistic societies and today that just wouldn't work because its like stepping backwards. we are at a stage of movement from mythic to rational to post-rational and that whole movement involves building a healthy ego, making decisions, learning from mistakes, complete dependence and obedience to an authority figure just doesn't fit in, but that doesn't mean teachers should be disregarded
naturalwire,
can you point to some proof of that statement? who has obtained enlightenment from Bardon's system?
how do you prove enlightenment? and how do you test the worth of a system if you don't have role models of people who "made it" ?
this dude, Daniel Ingram, who claims enlightenment from the Buddhist path, talks about that,, how there needs to be more people who act as role models, because the end goal is so hazy. we have all these paths that seem to work, but not enough examples of success. in the Buddhist tradition particularly there seems to be people who have made it (but who knows) but rarely do they ever come out and say it, it seems almost taboo to admit that you finally made it on the path that you so earnestly and diligently followed. I find that so silly, especially since you can act as inspiration for those seeking what you have gained.
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the external way has its benafits, i did it for yeaqrs and so did nick
pay in the end for it and less result than the internal way, in my view
metta
adam
Ah, so you don't do External Iron body (what is properly called "Steel body" training)
But rather the Internal condition of the body... what is properly considered "Iron Body" trainning
Thanks for clearing that up.
I guess I was being a little to general.
The external stuff does very much appeal to me but no doubt the internal stuff is also has important value, and also has much more then meets the eye.
Most of what i said in this post is to identify deeper subtleties that are not nearly as noticeable as other stuff. So other viewers may take an extra look at some of this stuff.
In no way am I trying to claim Adam is the best out there and not trying to gain him profit but obviously you can see he is trying to appeal to people and the stuff is not light practices of anything no doubt.
Actually its higher end stuff that I've seen that is out their... and he is being very, opened about it.
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it is my view that seclusion, true seclusion as taught by the Buddha is the letting go of the 5 senses. in other words the attainment of jhana. from that point the high levels can be acheived. one need not live alone but must spend much time alone.
metta
adam
Interesting. I like how the first hermit is so casually sitting on the edge of an abyss on Hua shan.
Clearly he has long overcome any fear of heights he might have once had.
I would guess if a person reaches a stage in their cultivation where they need total solitude
to continue progressing, they will be at a level where they are already sitting in meditation for long
periods of time anyway, and they need to ensure that nothing interrupts/disturbs their deep meditation
states at that point? Can a person not cultivate to a fairly high level without having to completely
withdraw from the world, as long as one has a reasonably quiet place to practice?
Just curious what others think about this.
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no we dont condition the body in the way of hitting it to toughen the flesh, but all training is conditioning.
metta
adam
Pretty impressive videos Adam,
Iron robe, was a nice change of pace.
You also do a lot of conditioning the body?
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these four views are all aspects of self which some choose to call the ego.
Lin i must agree
metta
adam
There are four views that leave one on the cycle of Birth and Death, thus aiding in creating karma.
They are,
1). View of Self
2). View of Personality
3). View of Others
4). View of Lifespan.
This is within the Daimond Sutra, stating any views such as these, (basically any remnants of these views within the mind) one cannot end the cycle of Birth and Death.
Peace,
Lin
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yes, and the cause of suffering is birth
metta
adam
"Bhikkus, both formerly and now what I teach is suffering and the cessation of suffering."
MN 22
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yes i saw and felt some big energy shifts over that time, the biggest shift i have ever seen was just before 9/11. it worried me, but i dont watch tv so it was another few days before i knew what it was. poor skills on my part.
metta
adam
Now we are getting somewhere, but in particular I am interested in the aspect of this that can be felt by energy practitioners that feel or SEE energy events.
Did you have any particular energetic realization at any point?
Are there other energy practitioners out these that felt or SAW these negative feedback energy shifts? Please comment.
I've seen some Fa Jin, but this?
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i agree but what these videos show is the "intrinsic strength" kind of fa jin. its just refined.
metta
adam