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^ I'm no expert on it, but I do it maybe twice as fast and not as stiffly.  They do sell a rubber Paida paddle...which you can see would replicate a looser hand slapping in more of a whiplash motion.  And I do it faster because the faster you do it, the shorter it takes overall, lol.  Obviously you do have to do it lighter on your face like him...but on other parts you can basically be hardcore spanking yourself.

There's been several threads on it in here before, and lots of videos with demos and testimonials on YouTube...

Like many Chinese therapies, it requires you to embrace and feel your PAIN.

Aside from that, the other tough parts are that it is a very tiring and loud exercise...and so I usually just do some very short sessions in the shower.

And funny, I just now read about NATURE BEEING's custom approach to healing...it sounds a lot like mine, lol!

On 3/29/2020 at 2:59 AM, NATURE BEEING said:

Made the same experiences gsmaster! But for me it wasnt students i was doing it on " normal people " what they described sounded to more like an initiation then just energy healing. Altered states of mind like the feeling of an intense love for life or the feeling of being immortal while driving back home 😀. I had to meditate for years to experience this.

 

I also developed a massage system where i at first make the clients stand properly and correct there posture and use a pressure test for feedback.Then i make them sit in the same posture and i do a deep massage using listening skill, i go in spontaneous qigong mode while doing it. At the end of the sessions i do spontaneous paida tapping.By doing it for 20 minutes posture changes are extreme and people also experience bliss from doing it.

 

I think if i had a " student " i could boost them like maybe doing all that for one week they would get to a point that they inly would have reached after maybe 1 year of practicing or even 3 ,i dont know hard to tell.

 

I am also interested in "energy pushing" because i noticed when i do playful push hands stuff with people i usually dont go as deep in energy mode as in solo practice.

 

Excited what you will experience while doing your experiments.

 

Ah i am usually not drained because i use preheaven energy but i have a few issues again after years of amazing health and now its more difficult.But sometimes if i do distance healing it feels like a party and i am happy afterwards.

Hey @NATURE BEEING, mind posting a video of a sesh?  I'd be interested to see what yours looks like?

Massage (compression), stretching, & experimenting with a little Paida Lajin now...

On 4/3/2020 at 10:30 AM, Starjumper said:

Excellent find!

Yes, there's no evidence that bats (or pangolins) were ever sold at the Huanan Seafood Market.  So, a leak from the relatively close Wuhan Institute of Virology might be a likelier suspect. Viral research and labs are never as sterilely contained as people might be led to believe. Collecting their specimens from bat caves is a very dirty process and viruses can obviously all be very infectious!

However, even this possibility still does not necessarily exonerate any covert US involvement, either...in the age of globalization.

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there is also verifiable evidence regarding the recent interest of one controversial U.S. government agency in novel coronaviruses, specifically those transmitted from bats to humans. That agency, the Pentagon’s Defense Advanced Research Project Agency (DARPA), began spending millions on such research in 2018 and some of those Pentagon-funded studies were conducted at known U.S. military bioweapons labs bordering China and resulted in the discovery of dozens of new coronavirus strains as recently as last April. Furthermore, the ties of the Pentagon’s main biodefense lab to a virology institute in Wuhan, China — where the current outbreak is believed to have begun
For instance, not only was the U.S. military, including its controversial research arm — the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA), recently funding studies in and near China that discovered new, mutant coronaviruses originating from bats, but the Pentagon also became recently concerned about the potential use of bats as bioweapons.
For instance, one study conducted in Southern China in 2018 resulted in the discovery of 89 new “novel bat coronavirus” strains that use the same receptor as the coronavirus known as Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS). That study was jointly funded by the Chinese government’s Ministry of Science and Technology, USAID — an organization long alleged to be a front for U.S. intelligence, and the U.S. National Institute of Health — which has collaborated with both the CIA and the Pentagon on infectious disease and bioweapons research.

Bombdiggity!!

12 hours ago, Walker said:

I suspect that maybe this reaction reflected that the shaking allowed my body to shift some of the wind-cold into the stomach meridian (I am speaking about the meridians Zhang Zhongjing identifies in the Shanghanlun, and not the 12 primary meridians from acupuncture/zang-fu theory, for those who are TCM students and might be curious). This kind of transference of external pathogenic qi is described in the Shanghanlun or Treatise on Cold Damage, but I am not 100% sure that that's what happened.

You mean the 6 pairings?


BTW, what is your opinion of Wim Hof's intentional extreme cold exposure for BOOSTING immunity vs TCM's coldphobic avoidance?

14 hours ago, Earl Grey said:

Honestly, pausing even for a minute is great. You're also doing a shorter version of Gurdjieff's 24-hour rule that he takes before responding to anyone. 

 

Your scapegoat feeling actually is eerily similar to mine, but makes no surprise because that highlights our karmic issue our conflict brought out for us. If it weren't for our conflict, then hey, we could have continued further down the spiral. 

 

As for the beta-test--it works. Like I said, Gurdjieff did it in a similar manner too. 

Right, well there are many deepening layers of truth in the onion...for example, let's peel back mine here.

On the surface lies the pretext, or the conflict at face value.  Conflicts never gets resolved on this level.  For example, in my case here it was arguing over Anunnaki/Christian colonialism.

But underlying this is a subtextual feeling.  Let's say it is feeling like an unfairly-blamed scapegoat.  Now, when we respond reactively...what we are really doing is trying to avoid that familiar feeling that is arising.  No, no, no...it's not my fault, don't make me the scapegoat AGAIN!  Whereas just feeling that feeling can actually allow us to sink deeper into its origins.

If I allow myself to really feel that pain with curiosity, instead of reflexive judgment...then it might lead me to deeper insights.  Maybe underlying my anger at Anunnaki/Christian colonialism...lies a subconscious attempt/coping mechanism to shift/project all the blame/fault I feel inside (?) at something else...  Basically, the scapegoat scapegoating something else!  When maybe I should determine if and why I am feeling a lot of repressed blame/fault?

And underlying that, might lie the belief that, "It is wrong to be right" - perhaps the subconscious mantra of a scapegoat complex that causes it to serve as a scapegoat to begin with!

And perhaps releasing that belief is my real core resolution here?

Anunnaki culture uses a lot of scapegoats (Eve, humans, Jesus, Judas, Satan, etc).  And there's a lot of psychoanalysis written about the scapegoat archetype, but none of them get past blaming someone else for them...which is why none of them lead to any real healing.

What would be cool is if we could create a core conflict resolution guide that listed the common archetypes or psychological roles (like Cluster B personality disorders) causing conflicts and their underlying beliefs.  Releasing these beliefs would then release people from their roles and could theoretically resolve all the conflicts caused by them AT THEIR ROOTS!

3 hours ago, Earl Grey said:

Okay, let me share a few things here I've learned about my recent history with trying to put up threads to ban Everything and @gendao. I'm tagging him because maybe he'll share some insight about what we learned from our conflict on top of what I said.

Bat signal, lol?
 

Well, to keep it short, at that very HOT moment whenever we've been triggered and want to immediately clapback (verbally or online)...is the perfect organic time to hit pause for a quiet meditation/micro-vipassana on feeling how exactly we feel (frustration, anger, fear, sadness, despair, powerless, etc)? 

Instead of kneejerk reflexively spewing that feeling out at someone...just take a good look at it first when it is flared up and easiest to see.  Strike while the iron is HOT! 

And later to dig deeper, then identify what underlying, self-sabotaging belief is causing that feeling?  As usually this is what happens...we somehow get a "bad" line of subconscious code...that then causes "bad" feelings whenever it executes in our lives.  Which gets easy to blame on the trigger/reflection...but really lies within us.

IOW: wrong belief -> bad feeling -> conflict.  So to truly resolve conflict...reverse-engineer this process!

For example, I've often felt scapegoated in life, misunderstood, or not given my fair due, or bashed even when I'm right, etc, etc.  The feeling is of being helplessly and frustratingly unfairly outcast, alienated, stigmatized, and cockblocked.  I recently boiled all this down to a core (mis)belief of, "It is wrong to be right."  And that the more right I am, the more wrong I am for it!  Wow, what an inverse trap I am creating for myself in this life with that!  Where if I'm wrong, I'm wrong...and if I'm right, I'm still wrong, too!

Of course, this can all be easier said than done...as all of these lie within our own blindspots...otherwise, they wouldn't be causing us problems!

(Also, I'm still just beta-testing all this out...so no guarantees yet, lol!  Just thought I'd share it already in case it might help or inspire anyone else!)

5 hours ago, thelerner said:

As the others were saying-  Falun Dafa has more baggage/controversy then most. 

The basic framework is like most Chinese neigong...best to meditate quietly in full lotus.  And then Li Hongzhi added a bunch of his own personal mishmash of ideology on top of it.

Problem is, like most such systems, they skip all the details on how to actually achieve the optimal configuration.

It's like saying, it's best to be able to jump high in basketball.  But, they give you zero technical training tips on how to actually jump higher...other than just jump a lot (which doesn't really work).

I guess these systems still offer good confirmation of what you should be able to achieve if you do things the "right" way...but it will still be up to you to fill in the gaps and figure out how the fvck to actually do it.

7 hours ago, silent thunder said:

if it rises to 101.5 we treat with acetominophen.

Why only 101.5 and not until max tolerance (say, 104) to burn out more of the virus?

14 hours ago, moment said:

Actually, they're outdoors largely keeping social distance...not just a bunch of random people mingling together.  So, that's what they're supposed to be doing.

Wow, another young, 26-yo balla who got Covid-19 asymptomatically so far!

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Boston Celtics guard Marcus Smart tested positive for COVID-19 on Thursday, making him just the latest NBA player to come down with the coronavirus. 
Yet Smart, the lone player on the Celtics who had produced a positive test, feels totally normal.  “I feel great. I feel fine,” Smart said Friday night on CNN while speaking with Chris Cuomo.“I feel like I can go play a game right now.”

Interesting testimony on the efficacy of herbal remedies - but will this lesson be learned by the rest of the world?

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All of these were among the first patients in their cities who had fully recovered from the infection, and, like nearly all other patients outside Hubei, they had received a treatment that combined modern medicine and herbal remedies.
Each province had the right to make its own policy, and Hubei did not routinely treat patients with herbal remedies.
This prompted the Chinese government’s virus response task force in Wuhan, Hubei’s capital, to send an urgent notice last Tuesday to all agencies and hospitals involved in containing the epidemic in the province, giving them 24 hours to ensure herbal tea was made available for all confirmed and suspected patients.

Less than a third of Hubei’s patients had been given herbal medicines, compared with nearly 90 per cent in the rest of the country, according to the notice. “The absence of traditional medicine has already affected the outcome of efforts to save and cure [people],” it said.
The directive reflected a growing consensus among Chinese medical experts that herbal medicine could and should play an important role in the fight against the coronavirus.
By Monday, the epidemic had killed more than 1,800 people, most of them in Hubei. The sheer number of patients has put enormous pressure on medical personnel and materials in the province, but inadequate herbal treatments for patients who initially had only mild symptoms might also be a reason.
The southern province of Guangdong, and coastal Zhejiang, meanwhile, had some of the highest numbers of patients after Hubei. Patients there were given herbal drinks to relieve symptoms even before they were testing positive.By Friday, Guangdong had reported a mortality of just 0.1 per cent of infected people – compared with Wuhan’s rate of 2.6 per cent – and none of the 1,155 confirmed patients in Zhejiang had died.

But there was plenty of data supporting the effectiveness of herbs in antiviral treatment. Although the epidemic is ongoing, Chinese researchers had obtained some initial promising results from clinical observations.

Zhang, who is also a member of the national expert panel advising the central government, said in a press conference last week: “A team in Guangzhou has treated more than 50 patients and none later developed severe symptoms. In Shanghai, patients with a combined treatment usually take seven or eight days to test negative [for the coronavirus]. Without herbal medicine it could take more than 10 days.”

In mainland China, where about half of all patients in the country’s medical system have received herbal treatment, doctors have reported that a combined therapy significantly reduced the severity of symptoms, mortality rate and side effects.

In one of the most dramatic cases, all 58 patients in a public hospital in Guangzhou recovered and no medical staff were infected. A study by the Chinese University of Hong Kong involving local patients also suggested herbal treatment as “a safe, efficacious and affordable Sars prevention measure”, according to information on the WHO website.
In a landmark paper published in the journal Cell Research in 2014, Zhang’s team found that honeysuckle could effectively eliminate influenza A virus in mice.

The flower plant contained some tiny, unique molecules of genetic material known as micro ribonucleic acid that could bind with the viral strain and slow down its duplication in our genes. Before the study, it was believed that genetic materials were fragile and easily destroyed in the environment.

But Zhang’s study found that these small plant genes could remain almost intact after being boiled – as required when preparing herbal medicine – and they tended to concentrate in a mouse’s lungs. The herbal treatment more than doubled mice’s survival rate, according to the experiment.

Note: Dr Chen-Yu Zhang had studied TCM's Japanese Honeysuckle (Lonicera japonica), a HIGHLY-invasive vine that may very well be found growing wild at your local park!  You can just pick the flowers or boil and rinse out the leaves to remove saponins to make your own antiviral tea!

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MIR2911 (honeysuckle-encoded atypical microRNA2911) as the first active component directly targeting various influenza viruses, including the swine flu H1N1, highly pathogenic avian H5N1 and H7N9 infections.

2 hours ago, rideforever said:

The UK Gov reckons 80% of the UK population are gonna get it.  So ... what are we waiting for ?  To drag it out until the economy cracks ?  Maybe they will wait until Summer and then open the pubs back up so we have better weather.   But you have to remember that this is the UK we are talking about !!!

 

Anyway, I feel just fucking great ... I may be Coronaed, but hey I have had the flu before.  I am honestly not sure what the fuck is going on ... is there even something going on ?  All I know is I have 37 rolls of loo paper downstairs and I'm almost out of cheese.

 

One of my lodgers gave it to me ... and she feels just fucking great also, no we are not dead, no we are not on the statistics either.

Honestly, the best case scenario for anyone frankly is to get it, have a very mild or asymptomatic case...and then fully recover with immunity after that so you just don't have to worry about it anymore...

Problem is it's still hard to predict how hard it will hit any given individual.

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Todd Herman, a 44-year-old entrepreneur and dad in New York City, was diagnosed with COVID-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus, over a week ago

His symptoms are relatively mild, and he said he's probably had "70 flus and colds" over his life that were "way worse."

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22-year-old woman in America who has been struck down by the contagious COVID-19 bug recently.
For those asking me what it’s like: I have dealt with colds in the past that were worse than this. I rated my pain moderate (4/10) when I went to the doctor. The first 3 days were most difficult.

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David Anzarouth knew it could happen to anyone but never thought it would happen to him.

The fit 25-year-old living in Toronto didn't worry about taking his vacation to South Beach in Miami, Fla., in early March.

"The minute I woke up, I was drenched in a pool of sweat. I was shaking. I was so cold. My head was pounding. It was something like I've never experienced before," Anzarouth said. 

"It was the most incredible pain I've ever experienced ... My body felt like I had been flattened."

But 10 days later, he found himself sitting in an isolated emergency room at Toronto General Hospital, wearing a mask and feeling "the most incredible pain that I've ever experienced" as he was tested for COVID-19.
"The final swab for COVID-19 was an incredibly painful swab they stick far up one of your nostrils," Anzarouth said.

His friend, meanwhile, hasn't experienced any symptoms at all.

Maybe we should all start carrying lucky pennies to rub in our hands?

^ Small virus fighting the MUCH BIGGER VIRUS!  FACTS!!!

On the good news, SARS-CoV-2 actually could/should significantly reduce R0 as Spring & Summer approach.

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New study says 'high temperature and high relative humidity significantly reduce' spread of COVID-19

A transmission electron micrograph of SARS-CoV-2 virus particles, isolated from a patient. The image was captured and color-enhanced at the NIAID Integrated Research Facility in Fort Detrick, Maryland. SARS-CoV-2 is the virus that causes COVID-19. (National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, NIH)

A team of researchers unveiled the results of a new study last week that looked at how temperature and humidity may affect the transmission of COVID-19, the illness caused by the new coronavirus.

According to the researchers' findings, "High temperature and high relative humidity significantly reduce the transmission of COVID-19." An increase of just one degree Celsius and 1% relative humidity increase substantially lower the virus's transmission, according to the data analyzed by the researchers.

The study is the latest in a limited but growing body of research, not all of which has been peer-reviewed, that examines the effect of weather on the spread of the SARS-Cov-2 virus, which causes the COVID-19 illness.

The researchers studied 100 different Chinese cities that each had more than 40 cases of COVID-19 from Jan. 21 to 23. According to AccuWeather Senior Weather Editor and Meteorologist Jesse Ferrell, the decision to study transmission on those dates was critical because that time period was before China intervened on Jan. 24 to stop the spread of the virus. Analyzing that timeframe allowed researchers to observe the natural spread of the virus before public health measures, which have since helped reduce the spread drastically in China, were implemented.

That step was one of several sound methods taken by authors Jingyuan Wang, Kai Feng, Weifeng Lv of Beihang University, and Ke Tang from Tsinghua University, according to Ferrell. He also commended the authors' accounting for GDP per capita, which normalized the differences in health care facilities, and the normalizations for population density.

The paper showed that the direct impacts of air temperatures and humidity levels could be seen plainly in the severity of outbreaks during the earlier stages of the virus spread.
"In the early dates of the outbreaks, countries with relatively lower air temperature and lower humidity (e.g. Korea, Japan and Iran) saw severe outbreaks than warmer and more humid countries (e.g. Singapore, Malaysia and Thailand) do," the researchers wrote.

"Considering the natural log of the average number of cases per day from February 8 to 29 as a rough measure of the severity of the COVID-19 outbreaks," the researchers continued, "we show that the severity is negatively related to temperature and relative humidity using 14 countries with more than 20 new cases during this period."

Using the value R to represent the transmission, the paper also found that cities in northern China, where temperatures and relative humidity were lower, had larger transmission values than cities along the country's southeast coast.

The scientists' findings align with what some experts have suspected about weather's impact, including Hong Kong University pathology professor John Nicholls, who told AccuWeather that research on a lab-grown copy of SARS-CoV-2, "in cold environments, there is longer virus survival than warm ones."

Other infectious disease experts have voiced skepticism that warmer weather will help curb the spread of COVID-19. Marc Lipsitch, a professor of epidemiology at Harvard's T.H. Chan School of Public Health, said earlier this month that warm weather will "probably not" slow down the spread, at least not significantly.

When contacted by AccuWeather this week, Lipsitch said in an email that he had nothing to add to his earlier analysis.

In applying the paper's findings to the forecast temperatures and humidity, the authors concluded that the arrival of summer and rainy seasons in the Northern Hemisphere can "effectively reduce the transmission of COVID-19," while the risk for the continued spread of the illness will remain in some countries in the Southern Hemisphere.

The authors even added that normal summer temperatures and relative humidity in Tokyo suggest that the transmission would be significantly reduced in time for the 2020 Summer Olympics, currently scheduled to be kick off on July 24. According to their findings, by July, Tokyo's "estimated R value decreases from 1.914 to 0.992, a 48% drop!" The International Olympic Committee, even as the crisis has escalated in recent days, remained steadfast this week that the games will go on as planned this summer.

Some experts are also pointing to the increased amount of UV rays from the sun the Northern Hemisphere will be subject to this time of year as a factor that could slow the virus.

"The sun angle changes significantly from the equinox to the solstice," AccuWeather meteorologist and Astronomy blogger Dave Samuhel explained. "That means a significant additional amount of solar radiation, or insolation, reaches the ground."

UV light has been proven to kill other strains from the coronavirus family, like SARS and MERS, but there isn't research yet showing the same is true for SARS-CoV-2.

Ferrell pointed out one key weakness in the study, which is the authors used temperature and relative humidity from 2019. Typically, meteorologists will use a broader data range, such as the 30-year normals. But Ferrell said in this case, a long-range weather forecast could be even more helpful than historical data.

Temperatures across much of the continental U.S. from March to May will be higher in 2020, AccuWeather meteorologists predict.

Projected temperature increases over the next few months are expected to align favorably for U.S. residents if the findings of the published paper prove true. With much of the U.S. forecast to see higher-than-normal temperatures in March and April, according to AccuWeather meteorologists, there is a chance that the virus could eventually "burn itself out," as Nicholls first suggested during a private conference call in early February.

"Although it will also, of course, depend on other factors like each country's place on 'the curve' of cases and the success of their response, Ferrell said, adding that an outbreak "could also re-emerge in the fall, as past epidemics have."

"The good news would seem to be: At least the weather is not working against us for a few months," Ferrell said.

If such temperature increases do occur, the paper's R value findings suggest that the U.S. will see a far lower transmission rate by the summer than the country is currently seeing in March. Early in March, the number of U.S. confirmed cases tallied in the dozens. By March 18, thanks to a notable increase in testing, that number had soared past 7,300.

However, as the papers' authors, Nicholls, Ferrell, and a host of other health experts have noted, there are many factors that could influence the transmission of COVID-19, including public health policies, like social distancing, that have been enforced and the population's ability to carry those methods out. Even the virus' propensity for surviving on surfaces could be a complicating factor.

While the weather may not be the ultimate factor in how devastating the pandemic becomes, researchers may now have a new tool to use in piecing together the puzzle.

"The transmission of viruses can be affected by a number of factors, including climate conditions (such as temperature and humidity), population density and medical care quality," the researchers said. "Therefore, understanding the relationship between weather and the transmission of COVID-19 is key to forecast the intensity and end time of this epidemic."

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There was a study showing that the Coronavirus became dormant as the air temperature reached 86 degrees. Thus, at that temperature, transmission of the virus requires direct or near direct contact.

59 minutes ago, Apech said:

they get infected and can be infectious without symptoms.

Yes, the good news for most resistant people is that this virus is so weak for the majority that they may not even realize they have it.

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A new study estimates that 86% of COVID-19 infections in China went undiagnosed before the country's travel ban was enacted on January 23.

People who had not been diagnosed with COVID-19 were the source of 79% of reported cases in China.
while celebrity actor Idris Elba had no symptoms, he took a test that revealed he has COVID-19.

The bad news for the vulnerable minority is that asymptomatic transmission vastly increases their risk of getting it.

^ Well, it's always different (BAD) when China does the same thing that Europeans do (GOOD)!

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Bias virus hits New York Times as double standards infect coverage of Covid-19 lockdown measures in China and Italy

National responses to tackling the coronavirus pandemic in China and Italy have given rise to jaw-dropping double standards at The New York Times.

For it seems that locking down around 60 million people in China is tantamount to a gross human rights violation, while doing the same to 60 million Italians is a bold step forward showing an enhanced sense of community that should be universally applauded.

The West = good. China = bad.

This rank hypocrisy, borne of a desperate liberal need to unnecessarily politicize everything, including the Covid-19 outbreak, has revealed an unflattering truth about ‘The Gray Lady,’ its sobriquet that once conveyed the impression the paper possessed of high virtue. No longer.

“China May Be Beating the Coronavirus But At a Painful Cost,” the NYT tweeted one day last week, flagging up its report that the Chinese lockdown and quarantine, which covered 60 million people, coincidentally the same as Italy’s entire population, “has come at great cost to people’s livelihoods and personal liberties.”

Then just 20 minutes later, up popped the same publication’s tweet on the European situation, announcing “Italy Locks Down Much of the Country’s North Over the Coronavirus.” So, did the Times condemn this as an attack on civil liberties by a nasty totalitarian regime?

Not quite. Because while at the time of the report, last Saturday, when only the north of Italy was affected (since expanded to include the entire country), there was a clear change of tone. 

According to The Times: “By taking such tough measures, Italy, which is suffering the worst outbreak in Europe, sent a signal that restrictive clampdowns at odds with some of the core values of Western democracies may be necessary to contain and defeat the virus.”

So, lemme get this right. Restrictive clampdown in Italy? Necessary. Restrictive clampdown in China? A cure worse than the disease.

The Times had earlier, just 20 minutes earlier in fact, gone to some pains to list the key problems China had caused by the measures it chose to protect the spread of what was then just a good ol’ epidemic, rather than full-blown pandemic.

“The economy has ground to a near standstill, and many small businesses say they may soon run out of cash. Patients with critical illnesses are struggling to find timely care, and some have died,” the newspaper reported online. 

But in Italy, it told readers in a new report three days days later, officials had, “pleaded for still stronger measures that would essentially shut down all commercial activity and public transportation in an effort to suffocate the contagion.” No mention of this being a bad thing.

So while the Italians shut up shop (literally), the anticipated effects were not unique to China and to suggest that economic woes and a public health crisis were somehow unusual given the circumstances is simply taking all the bad things that have happened and saying they’re all specifically Chinese problems caused by its handling of the virus outbreak.

Sorry, I don’t buy it.

Damn, these Christian Conservative Colonialist fokkers really never stop, do they???

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Bringing Christ and coronavirus: Evangelicals to contact Amazon indigenous
As the coronavirus spreads around the globe, with more than 300 known cases already in Brazil, and members of Pres. Jair Bolsonaro’s staff infected, an evangelical Christian organization has purchased a helicopter with plans to contact and convert isolated indigenous groups in the remote Western Amazon.
Ethnos360, formerly known as the New Tribes Mission, is notorious for past attempts to contact and convert isolated Indians, having spread disease among the Zo’é living in northern Pará state. Once contacted, the Zo’é, lacking resistance, began dying from malaria and influenza, losing over a third of their population.
Ethnos360 is planning its Christian conversion mission despite the fact that FUNAI, Brazil’s indigenous affairs agency, has a longstanding policy against contact with isolated groups. Their so-called “missionary aviation” contact plan may also violate Brazil’s 1988 Constitution and international treaties.
Analysts worry Brazil may be about to overturn its “no contact” FUNAI policy. In February, Bolsonaro put Ricardo Lopez Dias in charge of The Coordination of Isolated and Recently Contacted Indians (CGIIRC), a FUNAI department. Dias was a missionary for New Tribes Mission for over a decade, doing conversion work.
The organization, formerly known internationally as the New Tribes Mission, and based in Sanford, Florida, USA, plans to use a newly purchased aircraft to contact and convert isolated Amazon indigenous groups — even though such contact is banned explicitly by FUNAI, Brazil’s indigenous agency, and implicitly under the nation’s 1988 Constitution.
The fundamentalist Christian group’s venture could also spread dangerous infectious diseases, like COVID-19, to isolated tribes utterly lacking resistance and immunity. 

At the end of January, Edward Luz, president of New Tribes Mission of Brazil, announced the acquisition of the “Ethnos360 Aviation R66 helicopter,” able to operate in the remote rainforests of Western Brazil, and he told a small group of Christian evangelicals assembled in Rio de Janeiro, that: “God will do anything to see to it that mankind hears His Word. If a helicopter becomes necessary, He provides it.”
The “mankind” to whom Luz referred includes isolated Amazon indigenous groups. Brazil has 115 confirmed indications of such groups — more than any other country in the world. All but two are in the Amazon biome. Many are concentrated in the west of Brazil near the frontier with Peru, which is the area targeted by Ethnos360Aviation.

Spreading the Word of God, and disease

New Tribes Mission, established in 1942, has a long, checkered history in Brazil. One case concerns its contact with the Zo’é, an isolated indigenous group living in the remote Amazon rainforest of northern Pará state. By 1980, small-scale goldminers and Brazil nut collectors were already gradually penetrating their territory, but the Zo’é fled contact. Then, in 1982, New Tribes Mission learned of the group’s existence and started dropping “presents” from the air on their villages. In 1987, the missionaries established a base camp and airstrip on the edge of the Zo’é territory.

Over the next two years, evangelicals made several forays toward the Zo’é villages, making sporadic contact with the tribe, who, according to the missionaries, remained “restless” and “withdrawn.” The definitive contact came in November 1987, when a group of about 100 Zo’é appeared at the base camp. Communicating through gestures, the missionaries offered gifts, but in turn were handed broken arrows — a clear message that the indigenous delegation wanted the missionaries to leave.

FUNAI learned of these events and forbade the missionaries from installing themselves in the indigenous villages. Instead, missionaries tried to attract the Zo’é to their base outside of indigenous land. According to the Socioenvironmental Institute (ISA), a Brazilian NGO, the missionaries’ objective was to learn the Zo’é language so they could begin the literacy process, translating the Bible and thereby conveying the Word of the Lord to the group.

The Zo’é began to die rapidly from malaria and influenza — diseases to which they lacked Westerners’ resistance. In 1989, FUNAI visited the missionary base and was shocked at the poor state of indigenous health. Relations with the missionaries deteriorated and in 1991 FUNAI took over, forcing New Tribes Mission to leave.

It is estimated that 45 Zo’é died between 1987 and 1991. Their population, which fell to 133 in 1991, is recovering and is estimated at 250 today. But they remain vulnerable as a people to disease and the loss of their ancestral land to invading cattle ranchers and soy growers.

Another notorious outcome of New Tribes Mission’s work in Brazil includes the case of Warren Scott Kennell, who served as one of their missionaries between 2008 and 2011, living with the Katukina in western Amazonas state. Over several years, he built a trusting relationship with girls as young as 12, then sexually abused them. Tipped off about these crimes, U.S. Homeland Security stopped Kennell at the Orlando, Florida International Airport and found he possessed over 940 images of child pornography.

According to prosecutors, Kennell identified himself in one of the photos as the man performing a sex act on a prepubescent girl. “Kennell represents the worst kind of criminal; one that preys on innocent children,” Shane Folden, deputy special agent in charge of the Tampa office of the Department of Homeland Security, said in a statement. In 2014, Kennell was sentenced to 58 years in prison.

A plan whose time has come?

The boldness of Ethnos360’s helicopter-contact and conversion plan may not be as brazen as it first seems. In February, Brazil’s Jair Bolsonaro administration made a surprise appointment, putting Ricardo Lopez Dias in charge of The Coordination of Isolated and Recently Contacted Indians (CGIIRC), FUNAI’s most sensitive department. Dias, an anthropologist and evangelical, was a missionary for New Tribes Mission for over a decade, doing conversion work.

In 2020, Epoca, the Brazilian news magazine, revealed that, starting in 2017, New Tribes Mission began circulating promotional videos, raising donations to pay for the R66 helicopter. In one clip pilot Jeremiah Diedrich explains why New Tribes Mission wants the aircraft: “This part of western Brazil is listed by Survival International, [an NGO], as having the highest concentration of uncontacted people-groups in the world … It is the darkest, densest, hardest-to-reach place in the whole of South America. This is why we need a helicopter.”

Survival International, itself, is vehemently opposed to the Ethnos360 initiative. Fiona Watson, Advocacy Director of Survival, told Mongabay: “The New Tribes Mission’s plan to use a helicopter to locate uncontacted tribes is dangerous and irresponsible.  They clearly have no intention of respecting these indigenous peoples’ clear desire to be left alone. Any attempt to force contact risks infecting them with deadly diseases. The NTM’s appalling history of forced contacts in South America in the last 60 years resulted in the death and destruction of many uncontacted peoples and should serve as a stark warning not to let them anywhere near these vulnerable tribes. The Brazilian government must act now to stop the NTM’s genocidal plans.”

 

9 hours ago, Starjumper said:

I read the article and it looks good, I hope it is right, and if it is, then there is some hope.  It is true that a virus can be 'dormant' in a person's cell, and then revive years later.  Also true about some tests may yield false positives, and some people are released before being fully cured.  I was concerned about the HIV genes in the virus causing it to reinfect people.  Time will tell.

 

Ya, all the college kids don't have to go to classes now, and since hotels and flights are so cheap they are using the opportunity to spread the disease all over the place while being more or less immune to problems.  I think some 20 somethings will fare poorly though, because their health is so low.

Well, the RT-PCR test is ultimately a bit of an arbitrary judgment call, which is perhaps what could lead to some wiggle room in some diagnoses.

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it is important to understand what RT-PCR, the PCR test technology is. It is based on PCR (Polymerase Chain Reaction) technology.
We can see that it was arbitrary, because in another paper, reference, the authors had two end points: 37 and 40. Anything less than 37 was considered positive and anything 40 or greater was defined as negative. The in-between values were re-tested and re-interpreted. Note that this paper would treat 37 as indeterminate but the Singapore paper would treat it as positive.
The authors of reference apparently programmed the PCR machine to stop after 37 cycles if no DNA had been detected. This means that we don't have information on when or if the process would have terminated by the detection of if it had been allowed to continue. More importantly, what would it mean if DNA was detected on cycle 38 or 40 or 80? If the DNA is unique to the virus there is no other possible interpretation than that the person is infected. But it is possible that everyone would eventually detect enough DNA detected, which could only be interpreted as the corresponding RNA being endogenous (i.e. formed within the cells of the human body).

Given that several people bounced back from negative to positive again, one could argue that the cutoff should be lower than 37. But likely if this was done many more people might test positive, and even with a cutoff of, say, 40, going to negative and back again might still occur.

Also interestingly, the youngest person who has died from Covid-19 thus far was...45!

This is not to say younger people couldn't still have some severe reactions...but not including death, yet!

And this has not been authenticated, but one possible tip for young patients (or anyone) is to avoid NSAIDs!

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From an nhs colleague:
We have just been sent a medical alert that no one is to use anti inflammatories (eg I brufen, Voltarol, naproxen and there are others) for pain or high temperature. Use paracetamol instead. There seems to be a link between severe cases of covid19 affecting young people with no underlying illnesses and taking anti inflammatories. Initial reports started coming from French Drs on Friday. This has been confirmed by infectious diseases consultants here - there are 4 young people in ICU in Cork who have no underlying illnesses - all were taking anti inflammatories and there are concerns this has caused a more severe illness. We have been asked to spread the message. French tv and radio apparently broadcast the same warning today..
From John Greenwood’s niece...Consultant Pediatrician in London.
Pls pass on.

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France's health ministry has suggested that popular anti-inflammatory painkillers such as ibuprofen could worsen the effects of the coronavirus, raising questions over which over-the-counter drugs people should be taking to treat the symptoms of the disease.
Health Minister Olivier Veran, who has also worked as a neurologist, tweeted on Saturday that "taking anti-inflammatory drugs (ibuprofen, cortisone...) could be an aggravating factor of the infection. If you have a fever, take paracetamol. If you are already on anti-inflammatory drugs or in doubt, ask your doctor for advice."
Nonetheless, Veran's recommendation came on the same day that the French government reported that "grave adverse effects" linked to the use of non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAID) -- the family of drugs that includes ibuprofen -- have "been identified with patients affected by Covid-19, in potential or confirmed cases." 

"We repeat that the treatment of a fever or of pain linked to Covid-19 or to any other respiratory viral disease should be paracetamol," the ministry's new guidelines added. Paracetamol is typically known in the US as acetaminophen.

4 hours ago, Starjumper said:

There are a couple of mistakes with the simulations in that article.  One is that people who are 'cured' can still test positive for the virus afterwards, and can still infect others.  The second one is that a person who has healed can get infected a second and third time, and those seem to be more severe.  These point to a possible scenario where the disease just keeps going around and around, over and over, till it hits everyone once, twice, three strikes, we're out.

There's only been a few cases of recurrence, and it's not confirmed if they were genuinely reinfections...or just due to false negatives or something?

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Can People Who Recover from COVID-19 Become Reinfected?

Medical professionals believe positive coronavirus retests are more likely the result of errors in testing rather than reinfection.

I mean, I wouldn't rule it out, but it's probably more the exception than the rule regardless...

On the brighter side, at least some of the young, 20-somethings with it don't seem to be faring too poorly so far...

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Mitchell, 23, became the second NBA player to test positive for COVID-19, joining Jazz teammate Rudy Gobert. Mitchell, from isolation, told GMA’s Robin Roberts that he feels fine and currently has “no symptoms.”

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Australian woman struck down with COVID-19 says her symptoms were no worse than a 'sore throat and a headache' - so we should 'calm down'
The 29-year-old said she has 'no idea' how she caught the virus

On 3/14/2020 at 9:36 AM, steve said:

I think an equally, or more, plausible hypothesis is that multiple strains have been identified in the US because they were introduced by travelers from multiple different regions. Perhaps one day will learn the truth about its origin but I doubt it. The amount of speculation and misinformation is gargantuan and proving the source will be quite difficult. No one wants the responsibility and governments are masterful at lying and misdirection, particularly the US, Russia, and China.

True, if the virus didn't mutate, then the most diverse place would likely be the origin.  But if it mutates (which most do maybe once or twice a month), then that is not necessarily true.  Basically, they would have to construct a phylogenetic tree to really determine the spread.

1 hour ago, Starjumper said:

Maybe not, because it is easy to hide the source, until 25 years later, the 'truth' comes out, after history has been rewritten, when it's too late.

 

Concerning removing the older people, it accomplishes several purposes.   As you know, due to birth rates, the population is said to be 'top heavy', with too many older people being a burden on society, which does not have enough workers to support them, and of course, OUR social security money was already stolen long ago.

Here's a good presentation with timeline on the "US origin" hypothesis:

I would agree with him that this possibility is neither baseless or proven, but somewhere in between.

5 hours ago, Earl Grey said:

If it's native here, I probably would need to know the local name, and it may be more recognized in the areas with regional dialects. Might be harder to find seeds online or to ask at the market from the farmers since those are all now closed and no one can come in from the provinces....

Dunno the local PI name, but Common Mullein (Verbascum thapsus) seems to be either Jia Yan Ye or 毛蕊花 in TCM?

And the more I read about it, the more of a miracle medicinal herb it seems to be!  I dunno if they ship there, but I just ordered some seeds here.

Like, it even fvcking magically adjusts subluxed bones back into place!!!

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herbalists around the world have been using mullein to set bones with great success.
“Jim introduced the mullein root for setting bones of the spine. He noticed that it grows up so straight the second year, so it must have a lot of straight energy” Wood said. “This makes a lot of sense. Mullein looks like a spine.”
“He had her come back the next day and get another x-ray for free and, presto, the bone was back in place,” Wood said. “He had his proof. He got to prove magic was real.”

And its flowers can also be used for bright yellow or green dyes!

^ It's actually native to Asia...although I'm not sure about the PI?

I'm already stocked on TP, but this has been on my wishlist to grow just because of how useful and medicinal it is.

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Mullein is a soothing relaxant for irritable respiratory conditions and is a pectoral demulcent which means it is an anti-irritant herb rich in mucilage that is soothing, lubricating and offers protection to inflamed or irritable mucous surfaces. It promotes healing, helps reduce cough severity, ease expectoration and clear the lungs. Mullein is also a mild sedative and mild antispasmodic.

It may be used for asthma, whooping cough, emphysema, hay fever, pleurisy, bronchitis, tonsillitis, influenza, respiratory and sinus congestion, urinary tract infections, nervous tension and insomnia. 

External use for earache (flowers in olive oil), sores, wounds, boils, rheumatic pain and hemorrhoids.

Mullein combines well with Horehound, Lobelia and Coltsfoot for bronchitis.

You can typically ingest it as a tea or smoke/smudge it...  The latter is probably the best for lung healing.

14 hours ago, Earl Grey said:

For the purpose and structure of Akashic, here are how we’d phrase them as they aren’t clairvoyant questions.
 

Show us what is the true nature in regards to its origin. 
 

Show us what its purpose is for in relation to why it exists suddenly.

 

Show us how man played a role in the creation of covid-19 [N.B.: it’s open-ended because it allows more room for understanding rather than what we see in our level of existence].
 

Show us the geographic origin of nCoViD-19.

 

Show us the geopolitical purpose of nCoV-19 if any. Show us its spiritual purpose.

Sounds great, let's go with those then!!

On 3/12/2020 at 11:23 PM, Earl Grey said:

I wonder if people accustomed to toilet paper will resort to doing what some cultures do instead, which is using their left hand and a bucket of water...

Surprised, but not really, that no one has recommended growing and using mullein yet.

Its velvety leaves can be used as buttwipes...and it is a very potent lung herb - and so would very conceivably help fight Covid-19 infections.  That's 2 corona birds with 1 stone, here!!!

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A tasteless light smoke, Mullein is revered as a highly medicinal herb that cleanses lung infections and inflammation. It's an expectorant, meaning that it helps in breaking up respiratory congestion and promotes productive coughing. Since Mullein has no flavor, it makes a great base for an herbal smoking blend. Mullein that is too dry won't smoke smoothly, so add a little moisture and rub the leaves together for the best result.

And it's also a tough pioneer plant that grows like a weed anywhere.  So, it's very easy to grow.  In fact, it's often invasive, so you should try to contain it if you do decide to grow it.  (Normally, I would never entertain the idea of planting invasives...but this one has so many beneficial properties I can make something of an exception.)

^ Ah, yes, that's my question:

What is the true origin and purpose of Covid-19? 

Did COVID-19 arise naturally or from a lab?  And where was its geographic origin?

What is its purpose(s) on spiritual and any geopolitical levels?