Baguakid

Yeah, a little steep to say the least. Level 1 $750 Level 2 $800 Level 3 $1200 Does Paul Dong do what this guy does for free? Does he have all the services that Master Tzun Tzun Hsue has?

Well, maybe a better question is the amount of time needed for this type of practice. I could slide out the back door for 10 to 15 min in the AM and/or PM and get it done that way but if you tell me 45min morn and 45min night.. that would be a very difficult to get away from work. The Neigong I learned way back when was to gaze at the morning sun as it was coming up while doing dynamic tension martially oriented movements with breath retention. Pretty intense. The guy who taught me this learned from the old style Chinese in the Chinatown of Saigon. He would say after a while steam could be seen coming from the top of his head while practicing. I never spent too much time with it as dealing with the sun could be very dangerous business.

So if I read this right, you need to have daily, specific times set aside to practice this art, is this correct? May be too difficult for my schedule right now.

Sifu Garry, I've been considering this practice for some time now thinking it would complement my bagua practice nicely. Based on your statement above though, could you clarify on what times/places/activities are absolutely necessary? For example, you have sun gazing listed above. I learned a sun gazing nei gong method about 20 years ago from a Vietnamese Tai Mantis Shifu. The only problem with it is you need access to the sun at the right time of day. Can't look at the noon sun of course. With getting my new business off the ground I'm going to have little time available in the morning and possibly evening. With those restrictions can this gong still be practiced? Thank you,

to answer the op's question... Bagua... no contest.

Actually, I'm not interested in discussing my teacher's style or what he's taught me with you. Just to say you are WRONG! Such as your pompous. condescending, know-it-all attitude, which I can do without. No to your question on my breathing practices. NOYB boss. Why don't you tell us why you needed to practice nearly 30 years before not getting sick?

Yes, while I also read books from YJM (muscle tendon changing and marrow and brain washing) but I did not try to learn from these books. I used them as reference books. One of my first Chinese teachers was Cai SongFang who's Qigong style is alignment based. Nothing to do with breath (in cultivating Qi). None at all. In addition to teacher Cai's instruction I also found that Tony Ho uses the same alignment based technique to cultivate Qi, also not using breath AT ALL in this Qigong. On the other hand, I've also learned breath based qigong sets from Share K Lew's style, from GM Doo Wai's style, some forced breath based sets from a medical qigong source, along with the neigong styles I learned while living in China, and some I've even forgot (Da Mo Yi Jin Jing, Tai Qi Qigong in 18 forms, Crane Qigong, etc). I am not disputing that breath based Qigong is powerful and fully valid as a source of cultivating Qi. It clearly is. I still maintain, however, because I've been directly exposed to it, that there are non-breath based Qigong systems which are just as powerful and valid with have absolutely nothing to do with breath in Qi cultivation. I would be interested to hear why you think that there has to be a mind/breath component to qigong before a student can advance to a higher level. BTW, I practice Qigong daily from both breath based and alignment based systems.

Well, yes, this is a higher level "Neigong" exercise. It has no breathing component associated with it. His weight is concentrated on one leg, the other leg, or both at any one time but his muscles are not contracted the way you think. Actually they are as relaxed as he can make them. How do I know. This is one of my teachers from Shanghai. His sir-name is Zhu. One of his teachers was Wang Haoda (a Wu stylist who has passed). The event was put on by Rose Oliver, a woman from England who formed The Double Dragon Aliance with her husband who has also passed. http://cn.doubledragonalliance.com/ This video was shot and loaded by me. The so-called "style" is Embryonic Qigong (neigong) which comes from how the body is formed (looks like a Baby in the Womb. The main purpose of this Qigong/Neigong is detoxifying, removing dampness, among others. This qigong/neigong has nothing to do with breath.

What do you think about this one:

ChiDragon, What is your opinion on this video: What is this Masters source of Qi?

Ok, I'm done here... this conversation is making me stupid. Thanks mjjbecker, for that statement before I jumped of a tall building and killed myself. Bye Bye.

You guys have not yet "got" what I have been saying. Non-Breath based Qigong means just that. No attention, modification, or otherwise is given to the breath. Breathing is natural and that's it. LBDaoist. You can laugh all you want but you are closing the door on another valid, quite valid method. ChiDragon. You have glossed over the links I posted as push hands. This is not the main purpose of me showing the links. You guys are leaving out "Universal Qi". Non-Breath based Qigong is achieved by alignment between Heaven and Earth. The two links I posted are examples of Masters who use this method of Qigong. There is so much you all are leaving out which clearly shows what you've been exposed to. Keep your minds open, look deeper.

That's your uneducated OPINION my friend. You know absolutely nothing about what you speak. Your mind is narrow and you have strong opinions about that narrow scope. The problem with this is you're teaching others the same erroneous doctrine.

Yes, this IS INCORRECT.. HOW MANY TIMES MUST IT BE SAID?

No, it's not terminology. It's your lack of exposure to non-breath based systems.

Why?

I really don't think you do.

OMG.... LOL

The problem you're having is you have not been exposed to what I have shown you. You therefore cannot get your mind around it. But don't feel bad, many students who are in direct contact don't understand as well. Remember also, Qi follows Yi, blood follows Qi. There is no "breath" in that statement. Look deeper my friend. Empty your cup.

You're the one who is giving absolutes here. The title of the thread is "The Chinese Difinition of Chi Kung". Which come off as an authority to the true definition of Qigong. You're saying exercises having only to do with breath are Qigong which is an absolute absurdity. Qigong encompasses a large scope of techniques including and excluding breathing. To say real Qigong only uses breath not only discounts a wide array of Chinese schools of Qigong (Taoist, Buddhist, Martial) it's insulting to those who practice such non-breath techniques, akin to saying they are ShenJingBing 神经病. If you don't want to receive such replies then title your Qigong thread something like: "How Breath Qigong has helped me" or something like that but you can't just tell everyone else that what they are doing is krap-o-la. 明白了吗?.

Your definition of Qigong is incorrect whatever that definition is. No breath Qigong: No breath Qigong

That's a pure and utter BS answer and completely incorrect.

Some of the Qigong/Neigong exercises I've been exposed to are: 1. Breath based 2. Alignment based 3. Movement based (no attention to breath or alignment) Within the breath based group I have rapid or non-rapid (slow/normal) breathing in conjunction with movement, breathing to the lungs, breathing to the dan tian (natural or forced), breath in conjunction with postures. Within the alignment based group I have several alignment based qigong exercises (between heaven and earth). I've been fairly lucky to have been exposed to some of these exercise which I have not seen anywhere else. With that, two of the highest level masters (Chinese) I've ever come across were of the alignment based group. However, one American I know I consider now to be in the same league as the two Chinese and he uses a combination of alignment and breath. Having lived in China (mainland) I have noticed that due to culture people will rarely criticize other schools or practices, at least "officially", publically, or on paper. Privately, that's another matter. Having taught English in China I have also found that, also because of culture, that Chinese generally have poor debating skills which is possibly why CD comes off the way he does. Lastly, one's path and achievement is based on Yuanfen 缘份 and Wuxing 悟性. One student may spend 30 years with a teacher and have limited advancement and understanding while another may spend 6 years with the same teacher only to reach exceptional levels rivaling his/her teacher.

I'm finding Qigong exercises based on 1. breath. creates more of a yang qi. 2. standing/alignment. creates more of a yin qi. anyone else?

Opps... sorry oat..... I am waiting for a new pair of glasses as we speak. LOL.. maybe I should change my name to Mr. Magoo... LOL