River Gazer

Back and fourth in debate, a thousand times less than many, but holds no ground. The Tao exists as obscurity. A truth we recite. But why does it exist in obscurity? The least of way preaches, and offers no wisdom, followed by fanatics. A middling way advises, and offers some reason, followed by scholars. A great way appears simple, yet carries precious gems of truth, followed by what can only be called fools. The way speaks obscurity, because it is necessary. When ten-thousand rove, swords in hand, bend from an upbringing, only obscurity can speak and survive. There is no special meaning. And yet there it, wisdom as deep as an ocean, and fast as a river. Who knows the Eternal Way. What we can know is the cultivations of our contemplations. The product of a life of curiosity. In times of spite, the way is peace. In times of weakness, the way is strength. In times of extravagance, the way is simple. In times of great towers, the Way is the lowlands. Since great towers have risen since days as old as man's understanding of the Tao, long before the writers we adore, It is with assurity that the Way is the lowlands. But its details you must ponder, and you reap the rewards of the simple, and strengths and freedoms. Unless you can see a reason, you should not strive. Not even to not-strive. The human is more intelligent than the gauge of his soul. He is mad.

Well, you got a freind in me and we are alot alike. You babble about problems, on here or by a personal message, ill try to help. I walked the mile. I walked alone.

ive seen that before... and it makes me want to puke... That is the most disgusting vegetable i could imagine. Looks like a mining bit, but oddly, that increases the edibility slightly... probly cuz im insane

This stuff is making my brain bleed. I mean, when you guys read this, do you, like, actually know what they're saying, or... I mean, i know how to... blend niobium into steel alloys on a casual level. This stuff 'mushy mah braenz'. Also, i have a theory that atoms rarely actually touch eachother, they are just repulsed from eachother when the shell electrons push it away from eachother. Might explain why we never lose heat slowly, by (irony acknowledged) atomic friction.

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There wasn't a population large enough to sustain disease. It's why there was not disease amongst native americans. The worst that happened on any notable occurrence is a bird carries the cold over the ocean, and a tribe or two gets the sniffles.

Yo.

SethTheWhite speaks the truth. We see too much factually. We need to relax our minds, and most of all remove ourselves from the idea that scientific facts will be our salvation. There is a balance, and we are not walking it.

Thank you New Dawn Fades. Nice to see some other primals in here. Disease? None. Colds. Crabs... Bout it. The only time people get sick is when they do stupid shait such as fecating in their water supply. And i can speak for the stone-age way. Maybe it's a family trait, but i do things like eat whole 8 oz bottles of horseradish, and drink the blood left over from roasts. I don't get colds, the flu happens every 5 or 10 years and passes in 12 to 36 hours. I wouldn't be surprised if I could survive the black plague. Not that i do it on a regular basis, but all that medium-rare pork or chicken means in a stomach ache that can usually be killed with enough coffee. The simply truth is in the stone-age we were new to human ways. Instincts related to this form were undeveloped, so we occasionally did stupid shit, combined with the insanity of being to smart for our own good. If you include deaths during infancy (the weak days) we had a lifespan of 35. If you disclude deaths before 3 or 4 years, we lived to 55 - 60. Since human instincts have had time, despite specifically Europe (cholera lol) (effin' white people eh?), to develop, would you eat your own shait or fecate in your water supply? Not likely. If there is any chance, well, better just go back to the bronze or iron age. Better just to ask how long YOU'D live. Me personally, I'd say 10-15% chance of infant death, otherwise age 65. Medication for the most part was herbs, which are more effective that they would seem to be, but a bit less than neo-hippies make them out to be. Besides, nothing clears up a cold like a big cup of broth. I'll take the violent-ass society if it means i don't have to work.

GB2/b/ Biff Since biff is gone, might as well get rid of this

One word for all that Non. Yo. I'm personally getting fairly adept at the easier magics, though I've yet to affect matter in a way that can be proven. I can do things like use runes to get simple answers, or over the course of a half an hour or so divine just about anything i want by raw mind. Depth of mind is the gateway to all. If you want to know if your paranoia is justified, ask if your paranoia is justified. Just keep in mind that it aint an easy question. Thinkin' aint so bad a life.

Yo, I get what your saying Non. The world is at least weird that way. If you look even a bit weird, your dangerous. If you talk about anything but your shait work day, you're insane. No offense to any onlookers, but people are shallow and stupid. The average value of a normal persons daily thoughts is in between a ring of caps to fresh spit. If you've had even one revelation in your life, you are, by depth of mind, a hundred times more valuable than the average person. People aren't even stupid in truth... They're smart enough technically, but they are beyond shallow. Some people have never spent a days worth of free-range pondering in their life. Call this a unique opinion. Maybe its of value, maybe it'll just make you feel better about yourself. Whatev'. No loss to me

I simply know the lessons of Icarus from patient pondering, and from lessons learn well early in my life, not often repeated. Great Towers. The Lowlands. I have made a choice, and well, and I advise. Much more conversation will have to take play to go into details why.

twas a response to what you said blasto... Didn't mean it like that

I'll tell ya, prehistory aint as bad as it's made out. Furs are warm, game was plentiful, there was room to live by the sea, wild food grew everywhere, and tail was easy. Moreover, research indicates that a stoneage 'work-day' was about 3 hours. If that. I am not a fortunate son, and I abhor that I am not allowed to live this ancient way.

a thought for you blasto: The degeneration of any religion or philosophy from value to fanaticism lies when the individual no longer recognizes a possibility to falsity, and falls into absolutes. Not as much Buddhists, and definitely not the Taoists I've seen, but most people get struck by consuming fear just by the idea that their religion/philosophy is not true

I've occurred on this myself, and it makes sense. There is so much to say, and so much already said, that I am at a loss for words.

We, as the human race, have maps of our universe. I know this because I keep track. Ask yourself: Does a race that can't even accept, lets say, homosexuals, just for an example, deserve to know the furthest corners of all-that-is? We can't even accept that contracepted sexuality is harmless, but we would claim to deserve to know all-that-is, from the furthest corners of the universe, the the construct of sub-matter, quarks and such. Give me a kill, a fire, a cave and some tail... I'll do fine

Simplicity appears obscure in complexity. The Tao is huts and hunts and grasses and gathers. Why this is so is entirely relative to the human's gauge of soul. Just because we can, doesn't mean we should. We lack the depth of mind to walk any further without a cost.

This thread is long-winded and angry.

A mind can never fully conceive itself. The ebb and flow of your subconscious is beyond common fathom. Whether reality is an illogical bunch of choices, and cause and effect, it will never by a standard be relevant to you. Logically speaking, cause and effect is the only logical way, but it will never matter. The average mind has difficulty watching their conscious mind, let alone the in fathomable complexity of the ten-thousand half-thoughts processing through the mind-below-the-mind

i cant read all this today. Everything is random, including evolution. Some scientists believe that the human evolved too smart for his own good. Probly why dudes like me are enthralled by the neanderthal. edit: ------------- Lets see if i can add more. Nature is how it is. The human is how he is. Therefore rises a question. What is truth. The human is of snow, smart, weak and overpopulated. He is not particularly violent, but at the least he is detached from the rest of the world, nature. He is a very lost creature. We cannot help that we are born this way, but we spend out entire lives in fear. The pain of indoctrination, the pain of jealousy and greed, and most of all, the pain of fear. Animals feel pain too, but i dare say not nearly as much. Their world is more brutal, but not nearly as painful. Remind you of anyone? A yuppie and I both take a 9x19mm standard pressure medium-heavy grain load to the liver. Clearly one will feel more than another. I feel little pain, and feel little fear of death, and I still walk the path of emancipation of this. Solutions are always so much more complicated.

"When I was wandering through the desert, I was searching for the truth..." -Iron Maiden, Rainmaker I'm back, and I think the dust has finally given me enough answers. Finally made sense of some things. Understanding is one thing, explaining is another. The life of contemplation is fraught with mists of confusion, and the sting of belief in the incomplete. Heart, mind, body... There must be a satisfaction of all, or at least an understanding of the needs therein. To progress we must regress... What arrogance this world. An eon of instinct running hot through our blood, broken away from us, by fanatics broken by fanatics broken by fanatics. To progress further, we must understand the ancient. The deepest truth that is manifest by nature. The food you crave, the flesh you lust, the fear you feel, the outrage that burns. A billion years has crafted this. The ancient is meant to guide reason. Recover yourself, return to the forest, the beasts and the soils. This ancient soul is waiting for you. Do you deny? Within soil is sand, carbon, water and air... Stone, Ember, Ice and Wind... Wind and Ember make Fire, Stone and Ice make Coldstone Wind and Ice make Snow, Ember and Stone made Magma. To and fro, this human is of Snow... Intellect, overpopulation and fear. The beast does not cry for himself. We spend twenty years of our lives learning. I refuse to stay weak. Our lives are not good. Life is pain, life is fear, life is hiding from these, only partially succeeding. The blade howls with the desert winds, blowing dry earths across red ochre stone. "His mind is the glistening ocean night, This heart is blowing earths, His body is a sandstorm. He is a wandering soul, And has no home." But how difficult leaving the many's world for this few. So much is missed, so much to loose. People won't talk to you, they'll hate you, and were you not a much beast as man, they would attack you. If they love you only for you actions, for your appearances, they do not love you. There is no loss. A new age with come. Magic, a comfortable population, and strength, by as much grace as the snow will ask. A thousand questions, to be asked, so sip your coffee or tea. If you are wiser, teach me. If I am wiser, listen to me.

Maybe wording is the wrong word... Taoism, without it's obscurity, has principles similar to iron maiden or anarchy club... F#$k the government, party hearty, beat em at their own game, and it people wont listen, think of a more clever way. Maybe i was reading the 'wrong' tao te ching, but love it or shuv it, after 2600 years, the tao te ching is still counterculture

I fuckin love you all...