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  1. Experienced views on Wim Hof method

    Yeah - that kind of hair loss is linked with kidney deficiency... also sore knees, lower back issues, graying hair etc... I’d say that if anyone is really set on carrying on with the practice, just bear this in mind... and maybe nourish blood and kidneys as much as possible...
  2. Tantra...

    Happy to discuss over PM if you’d like. But I’ll be going on retreat for a month starting tomorrow evening - so you’ll have to be quick
  3. Tantra...

    You mean what lineage? My main influence is from Quanzhen Daoism (Mostly Longmen branch) but also some training from the Shanqing line, Thai Forest Tradition Buddhism and a Burmese Theravada line.
  4. Experienced views on Wim Hof method

    It’s basically a method of quickly tapping the energy reserves of your kidneys to strengthen your Wei Qi... the concern is that you’ll deplete your kidneys - the damages of which will show up in later life. Some constitutions can handle it for longer than others. Sounds like it’s great for mental toughness though.
  5. Tantra...

    What’s ruschen? There are many Daoist (and non Daoist) systems that use this process (known as Zifa gong - sometimes as ‘spontaneous movement’)... it’s similar to Kriya I believe?
  6. Tantra...

    The Daoist training I’ve been through emphasises not delving into emotions at the level of emotions. To get here one must have achieved the skill of sinking the mind and sinking the Qi. (Takes a while!) Once these qualities are present, it’s pretty simple - you have no idea what it is that you’re releasing... you’d for example sense a constricted pattern of Qi literally travel through your body and come out of your extremities... sometimes it’s the pattern of trauma, sometimes it’s a pathogen, sometimes it’s something physical - like one practitioner whose fillings started popping out during this phase of training - another had a piece of shrapnel pop out of his leg... The key in my particular training has always been 1) not focusing on a specific trauma and 2) not trying to remember, analyse, re-experience or work with it in any conscious way. Just do the training and things dislodge and leave the system. What this can sometimes look like during training is like an emotional release - you’ll see people laughing or crying or roaring - but if they’re asked what’s happening or what they’re crying about, they’ll have no idea - there won’t be any conscious perceptions of emotions - just the expression... of course this is generally only in the early part of the training... later it’s a lot more subtle - like the constricted pattern leaving example above.
  7. Tantra...

    I think saying that in Tantric practices you ‘work with negative emotion’ is confusing things... You don’t work with the emotions, you work with the ‘substance’ underlying the emotion - which is Qi. On the level of Qi there is no emotionality - there’s just Qi - it’s sort of mechanical. The aim is equanimity - not indulging in emotionality... but also not trying to ignore emotionality... and dealing with it (and many other mental qualities and aspects of consciousness) on the ‘level’ of Qi. So for example in Daoist practice (which is also a Tantric path) what you experience as sadness has an energetic/Qi counterpart... when instead of focusing on the sadness, you engage at the level of Qi, you just experience a movement inwards - a sort of contraction/drawing in. In this way you don’t ignore what’s clearly taking place, but you don’t indulge in experiencing emotionality...
  8. Who is Loneman Pai?

    Im not talking about convection - I’m talking about Qi. Your conduct suggests that you never actually left middle school. At least now I know who not to engage in conversation again
  9. Who is Loneman Pai?

    But you haven’t addressed the fact that it’s a process that has characteristics of a substance in certain conditions... People get very flummoxed by paradox but that’s the nature of Daoist arts - constant paradox. We’re told that the Dao cannot be spoken about but then presented with 81 chapters on Dao... We’re told not to be drawn into ‘bookish bedevilment’ but then presented with countless classics and commentaries... We’re told that we must take no action, but then heavily trained using difficult and strenuous activity... So it’s a surprise to me that the paradox of Qi being purely a process and a substance at the same time is so unbelievable to some...
  10. Who is Loneman Pai?

    I see stagnation has set in and the autopilot is taking over...
  11. Who is Loneman Pai?

    Yes - kind of. Although I'd call it density. It behaves as a substance - not IS a substance. Being precise here matters. But you're right that it has substance like qualities... Yin Qi has magnetic qualities (but isn't magnetism) and Yang Qi has electric qualities (but isn't electricity). Sounds to me like Vonkrankenhaus hasn't come across any real practitioners of Qi emission - but this stuff exists and is no big deal once you get into certain circles. Also lots and lots of fraudsters too.
  12. Any particular metaphor you use for chi?

    I so just wanted to leave it at 'change-information in action' But that's unfair. Qi is already change-information in action - nothing drives it - although it is borne of Dao, yes. Qi is influenced by conditions or qualities... For example, let's take Ride's post: Trauma in the body - on the level of Qi - has the quality of stagnation... it's constricted and immobile - this information of stuckness is physically manifested as tightness in the tissues and muscles of particular areas of the body... on the level of consciousness, it will appear as a psychological trait that cannot be easily let go of. If you affect actual change on the level of consciousness like Ride managed to, then the qi will flow and the tissues will release. In the Daoist arts, making the change on the level of consciousness is considered risky, because it's very easy to 'reattach' to the trauma in a slightly different way, causing the qi to constrict again... If you affect change on the level of Qi then you won't even know you're letting go of a trauma - you'll just have a release (and usually a small spontaneous movement) and qi will flow and both the physical and consciousness aspects will be let go of without even realising.
  13. Any particular metaphor you use for chi?

    Yes. But not just the body - everything. Qi is the information behind change or transformation - whether in your body or in the environment. Everything is changing...
  14. Any particular metaphor you use for chi?

    Change-information in action
  15. Tantra...

    Tantra has nothing to do with the focus on pleasure... nothing to do with sex... It is the path of transformation through the use of 'substances' underlying states of consciousness. Alchemical Daoism is a Tantric path for example.
  16. Who is Loneman Pai?

    It may not seem this way, but answering the question "what is qi?" has already lead you into a trap. The trap was actually set by Aristotle... But without getting into history, consider the assertion that "grass is green"... seems obvious - but what if you're colour blind? What if the colour of the light shining on the grass is orange? What if "you" aren't human - but perhaps a snake or a dog or a cricket... So, in reality, all we can say about grass is that "grass appears 'green' to the human eye under specific light conditions"... Perhaps it's Von's engineering/scientific background that has him reaching for an "is" for Qi... Actually, he's quite right in some contexts... Qi isn't some magical substance or 'force'... But similarly, Qi is not just the interplay of polarities... Qi is a word that is used. It means different things under different circumstances and within different contexts. The Qi of Feng Shui is different to the Qi of Taiji which is different to the Qi of Qigong which is different to the Qi of Chinese Medicine etc etc... Qi is not a descriptive term - but an operational term. As in it's a term that is useful to use to describe certain processes. The term Qi isn't true, as much as it's useful. The most 'accurate' explanation of Qi that I have is "Qi is transformative information in action"... not particularly useful, but 'true'... But there is not reason to try to get a 'truer' picture of these arts... The mental model of Daoist arts is already perfect... there's no point in translating things into more 'scientific' forms - this isn't science in the same way - it's not looking for truth, but utility. So in terms of contexts... at certain stages of Neigong, when the Qi is sufficiently dense, it behaves just like a substance. IS it a substance - no - it's still 'change-information', but to all intents and purposes it is also a substance (just as light is also particles)... If you've ever experienced the movement of Yin Qi or Yang Qi in your body - or had it transmitted, there is no question about its substance-like properties. In fact in Alchemical thinking, everything has an underlying 'substance'... or an aspect that appears as if it's a substance... Including the mind and consciousness.
  17. Tantra...

    The words and their meaning have lead one to the specific end that I mentioned... Words are easily spoken. Conduct shows the true virtue of a person. Precisely. But ok - about the words... who here isn’t pleasure oriented already?
  18. Tantra...

    Meaningless drivel to me. Does not represent tantra as far as I’m concerned - and it’s coming from a sex and power obsessed alcoholic A great example of what happens when you mix spiritual cultivation with wanton pursuit of your base desires...
  19. Why do YOU think the world is so messed up?

    Life is suffering. Thats what the Buddhists (the ones that manage to survive Ride’s death cells! 🤣) tell us. It’s not only suffering. But suffering is guaranteed. Whether it’s the Royals or the pimps or the banksters - or droughts, hurricanes or lions or meningitis... One way or another we will experience suffering. Even in the formless realms there is suffering... There are two things you can do... 1) do something that alleviates a little bit of suffering for someone else. Or 2) do something that liberates you from suffering altogether (‘enlightenment’)... Preferably go for 1) and 2) both - because you’ll probably not manage enlightenment, but you can alleviate a lot of suffering while trying... But idle complaining is (in my opinion) the least productive and most destructive thing to do.
  20. Why do YOU think the world is so messed up?

    Is it really that bad? Not so long ago 90% of us would be dead by the age of 40... whether as a result of enslavement, brutality, famine or illness. I wake up and I don’t have to worry about being raped or killed... I’m pretty sure I’ll be able to eat and be in relative warmth and comfort... As Thelerner says - it’s mostly a case of us having more time and luxury to complain. We’ve become soft and preoccupied with trivialities and ourselves and so things look bad to us. In reality they’re not that bad Are thing perfect? - of course not and they never will be...but they’re pretty good in comparison to most of our history.
  21. Seeking Info

    Its not that the exercise is first... it’s that the exercise develops an experiential, embodied understanding of the art... A seed is not much to look at - but plant it, water it, fertilise it, weed around it and you might get something worthwhile... the ‘exercise’ is that cultivation... Bear in mind that not all teachers of Dao are equally effective though. Also be mindful that in reacting against dogma you may allow the pendulum to swing to the other extreme and you blind yourself in another new way.
  22. Living in the Now, vs. Dementia

    Feels a little trite to post advice... But we noticed a big change with my grandma’s memory when she began supplementing with lions mane mushroom extract.
  23. Dantian and Bones - How should it be drawn?

    I’m really not sure to be honest. I don’t practice alchemy at the moment and I haven’t gone through Damo’s book on it very thoroughly... Off the top of my head, an important thing to consider is context... sometimes my teachers will represent qualities required in the body with trigrams... but the qualities will change depending on the level we are practicing at. Does that make sense?
  24. I kind of hoped this would be forgotten about 😊 The way I apply the Yi Jing is to do with my training... the trigrams will have specific internal qualities - the changing lines will represent specific transformations... But to explain all this in a way that would make sense would be simply too much for me at the moment... just the word count would approach the length a book... and I suspect it wouldn’t be of much use to most. So I think I’ll just focus on what is most useful to the most number of people here - the mechanics of Sung, Ting and the internal body... as well as the pitfalls and errors along the way