J.Finder

The topic of Inner Goetia has already come up in the introductory part of the forum, and I decided to create a separate thread to explore it in more detail. I’d like to share my experience and ask a few questions. Perhaps some of you have encountered this approach as well... Sometimes ago word "goetia" used to fill me with quiet dread. I associated it with images of black magic, sorcery, and attempts to subjugate forces for power or gain. My own path has always been different - more of an inward search, through mindfulness practices, tibetan buddhism, and attempts to find silence within myself. I have never practiced ritual evocation and would not do so without deep preparation and a teacher. Everything changed when I read Enmerkar's "The New Lemegeton: Goetic Psychoanalysis." Suddenly, Goetia stopped being something frightening - it transformed into a clear, structured method for working with consciousness. The annotation, which speaks of a "system of consciousness therapy" and "ways of correcting its work," resonated deeply. What once seemed dangerous became a tool. This book has become a three-layered mirror for me, in which the unconscious takes shape and reveals a path forward. First, on the analytical level, it acts as a map. The deep exploration of destructive matrices within consciousness through grimoires and astrology helps to clearly recognize familiar patterns within myself. The text provides a precise schema, making it possible to identify an internal "glitch." Simultaneously, on the empirical level, it serves as a reflection. The author's personal accounts are a living report of real experience, direct dialogues written with such honesty and poignancy that it's impossible not to believe them. These are not stories about external spirits, but a mirror of my own inner states. In them, I recognize the same tricks, pressures, and temptations I know from within. Most crucially, the layer of purpose acts as a compass. The book does not leave one with just a diagnosis. It immediately points toward the harmonious state that needs to be cultivated. Thus, a recognized distortion becomes a tool: seeing the flaw provides the direction toward the light that dissolves it. I'm interested in your opinions, especially if you have experience at the intersection of different traditions.... Have you used concepts of goetic forces or similar systems specifically as a tool for internal diagnosis and working with states of mind, rather than in a ritual context? Have you noticed similar structured systems of "pairs" (destructive pattern – constructive quality) in other traditions - Buddhism, Kabbalah, depth psychology? What books or approaches have become for you such a personal map of inner landscapes, helping you not to wander in the dark but to move consciously toward wholeness? I would be grateful for any thoughts, personal stories, or recommendations. For me, this synthesis of perspectives has turned out to be surprisingly alive and practical.

I’ve read through the entire discussion. Thank you! Much of it resonated with me, like the quiet chime of a familiar bell. Yes, that state - when there are no thoughts, but clarity remains, and you simply walk and act - it’s recognizable. For me, it used to be a rare visitor, a flash between long periods of inner noise. This past year, something shifted. These intervals of silence have grown longer. Thoughts, if they come, no longer carry me away — or I manage to remember their emptiness and let go before they can take hold. What’s interesting - along with this, what is around me has also changed. Or rather, my perception of it. The world hasn’t become “different,” but its inherent, slightly muted harmony seems to have revealed itself. Or perhaps I’ve stopped projecting so much inner discord onto it? I suppose that’s it. I take this as a sig - not of external progress, but of an inner tuning. And yes, it’s a different experience from the silence in meditation. That one is like a pure mountain lake, created by effort. This one is like breath that continues on its own while I speak, work, listen. I don’t know if this can be called “post-meditative practice”… Rather, it’s a practice that has ceased to have boundaries.... It simply is..... It used to wound me deeply. To see so much suffering around (and within), to feel that neither strength nor wisdom would be enough to resolve it. Now it’s quieter. The pain is seen just as clearly, but it no longer weighs me down with a sense of helplessness. It… motivates... Not toward some grand feat, but toward simple, daily movement. Because all we can truly do is work on ourselves. Not to “fix the world,” but to stop contributing new chaos to it. And then we’ll see. I wonder, do others experience something similar? When silence ceases to be a “state during meditation” and becomes the background of being? And how did you navigate that transition where suffering stopped being a wound and became… simply part of the landscape, something you can work with, rather than fight against?