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Unfortunately things happen that can't be explained, and unless it happens to a person, they can't accept it, and disbelief and ridicule follow.

The Buddha says one needs to know Right Action to avoid suffering, but there is no way to prevent suffering, because all action leads to desire, either for one's self, or for other people. If I take an action, I cause someone to desire, or I am working upon acquiring a desire. Therefore this premise is faulted. There is no way to prevent desire, which he says causes suffering.

I believe the church is considered the body of christ, as one is transfiguration from within by engaging in communion. I think the Holy Spirt represents the spirit of love between the father, son and body of the church

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I've thought a great deal about the afterlife, Heaven, reincarnation, and immortality. I was wondering what everyone thought about these ideas? Do you think one needs the Philosophers Stone to be qualified as Immortal? Certainly there are other paths to Immortality. Do you think you can achieve Immortality without being recognized by Man?

You're just proving my point Nungali. You're not initiated into these mysteries. They say you should be of a certain age, maybe you just aren't old enough.

The study of Alchemy is to transmute chemicals, elements and minerals from one thing to another, such as lead into gold. This is also a metaphor for spiritual alchemy, where we take the elemental nature's of life and personality and turn them into something else, Ala occult symbols angels demons and gods. Philosophy being on the nature of things, primarily on the subject of life and existence, but also on matter, is a science of Wisdom, and it is said that to traverse the path of Wisdom promises the elixir or food of immortality. The philosophers stone is the metal, or idea, which is found at the conclusion of this journey, which can be used to explain all of nature- at least psychologically, but perhaps in the elemental realms as well, such as finding that primary stuff from which life emerges. As the latter element seems impossible to find, I suggest that the philosophers stone is more of a psychological idea from whence all things can be explained.

I didn't say you weren't initiated into something, just not this, and of this, I won't discuss, because you simply don't understand, and seem to think you are fully initiated into everything.

Hi. I am currently reading from a book of the 6th Master of Zen named Three Sutras. I have a background in philosophy and Magick.

As I said, the "secret" is common enough, but obtaining it legitimately is not, and for those that have done so, it is gold, and I will not profane this journey for them or myself by discussing it with the uninitiated, who, as has been made evident by some, do not revere Wisdom as sacred.

The only path is to obey all laws, and not be something to desire, nor to desire anything.

From what I read of you here, nungali, you are that "internet know it all"

It is less about keeping a secret and more about giving away a good Sirs treasure! The grail or stone is a hard won prize! What fool would I be to reveal its hiding place to the profane, no matter how good they may appear to be! Nungali shows little reverence for sacred knowledge, as for them, it was easily procured, but for us Saints that art Holy, this was borne of life and blood!

I think I'll just let secrets be secrets.

What you claim to have used is not the philosophers stone. It is the science behind the metaphor of the philosophers stone. The philosophers stone is in plain sight most of the time, and many people examine it with some result, but do not revere it, because they did not quest for it. There is a difference between students of Wisdom and Philosophy and actual Adepts. A true Champion/Knight/Adept would never diminish the victory of acquiring the stone.

Art is dead. The days of illuminating us on the struggles and turns of the mind as we engage in our journey as a society are gone. All that the artists offer us now are stories of lust and villainy. We are sold to temptation of indulgence and crime, and the reward or folly of both. Man has lost its soul for community and compassion and mercy. We no longer care about other people's hardships and curing them Man now lives its Age of Entitlement where living high on low pleasures is the affordable and easy path to happiness. Virtue is dead, our conflicts are unjust retaliation of criminal governments, soldiers are no longer heroes. Our champions of athletics and science and culture aim for wealth and not honor.

I just realized that the more one loves God and Life, the more trials they will face.

It was indeed a moment of pessimism. I'm well aware that in our Age, all things are accessible in all forms, and that there are a variety of choices available. Still, we seem to be at the mercy of striving for the ideal of Beauty, and execute or ignore that which fails it, and I blame this on the liberation of Lust, which finds us glorifying the body and senses. This, in combination with an ideal of perfect Law, leaves us intolerant of Man's obvious shortcomings of education, wealth and intelligence.

You say you've had the philosophers stone? I'd love to hear what it is, and how you came to possessing it.

I wasn't thinking of immortality of the body, but of this life, this mind, this knowledge, this experience. I believe in souls as a genesis of consciousness, and I wonder if we grow into them, and at what age they appear in the mind. I'm certain that we are imbued with souls, as per my experience, but I wonder how this person I am today will survive after death.

The only reason is personal experience, or faith in the Mystics. Certainly, in early life, when one is forced to conform to a restrictive tradition, one often rebels and declares "I'm going to live by my rules!" For they would rather experience their own Heaven than to work for someone else's. As I have traveled Astrally, and witnessed much, I have too, done much, my own way, and I can say that in the end, it is nearly the same.

I now believe that all valid forms of Spirituality and Religion and Philosophy are meant to illustrate Man of "the life" or, what is to be encountered in living. I believe that these mythologies carry over from Age to Age, and illustrate the Wisdom of that Era, and to learn them we acclimate to the Law of that Age. In pursuing these traditions, one is able to comprehend Order, and be Lawful. When one accomplishes this, they are able to reach the "promised land" I.e. Zion, Heaven, Nirvana, Elysian Fields, etc.

In my journey of reflection, I find what sticks most in my memory are my Sins, or the Sins others have committed to me. Good times and bad are distant; moments of suffering and happiness are just temporary shadows, what remains is when I broke different types of law. And so, I must conclude that the life of Man, as organized by the Creators, is to be lawful and righteous.

If there is an afterlife, then we would have to be connected somehow to it already, for otherwise, we are merely trapped in our bodies experiencing life individually, and not in some way (other than inhabiting shared space), collectively. If the afterlife is in us individually, then we would probably lose it should we be burned to ash and not buried. If we are connected somehow on some field of energy, then we could inhabit a shared soul network, which is perhaps something like a dream state. The only thing to consider there is: how much control of the dream state do we have, and are these states desirable? Certainly we would want a good Heaven to experience eternally? Is it based on our current state of thoughts and deeds? How would we then reincarnate? Do we somehow enter a body of a living person and enter their sperm or egg and get born again? If this is how it happens, then why aren't I aware of my past life? And if I am not aware, does it even matter if it's true? The only way to ensure control over one's knowledge and self is to be practiced at knowledge of self and life, and not be at the mercy of uncertainty and desires, and in this situation, one could then defend the arts of knowledge and knowing-commanding ones will to do. In this case, obtaining the philosophers stone, confessing sin and making atonement, and fixing one's karma would be a highly recommended path.

I was told a story of surviving being stranded in a winter storm, and it caused me to reflect on how Man has survived the tests of Nature to become what we have become. It's so amazing to me, and I hope that there is an afterlife for us, and that part of that experience is to hear the full story of Man.