Apotheose

Having no judgment of value regarding your testimonial and your faith, I respectfully reckon this is improbable. Notice how adults keep going deeper and deeper down their own web of rock solid beliefs. This is exactly the opposite of the first level of the alchemical transmutation (Nigredo) and, therefore, it produces heavily destructive results. Why are old people generally so systematic and bitter? Because they have already drowned in their own beliefs and assumptions. That’s why they are more prone to getting “”possessed””. The chances of it happening to a small child is incredibly (and I really mean incredibly!) low. Children are still more in contact with their subconsciousness rather than with the social axioms and demands. And that leads to the conclusion that a child who already has rock solid beliefs must have endured a highly traumatic parental environment. If that’s your case, I’m really sorry. I feel like the highest probability would be the least surprising one. Children have fertile minds. It’s likely you said that out loud, out of curiosity, and the self-suggestion impregnated your perception of reality. Use the mirror principle in your favor. Just fix your habits of thinking and you’ll stop being bothered by “demons” and “Satan”.

“Making a pact with Satan” and other religious myths are a product of generational exposures to fear and dogma. I wouldn’t recommend actually assuming such thing as true, because your assumptions have ultimate power over your interpretation of reality. You will witness what your mind assumes and accepts.

Something that happened to me last weekend made myself contemplate again the content of this thread. I was invited to attend a protestant “exorcist” ritual, and it broke my heart. It wasn’t one of those hoaxes which are rehearsed and performed with paid actors; rather, it was genuine and, therefore, much more saddening. The Pastor pretended to banish a demon from a believer and… that’s it —nothing more than that. And it’s a damn shame to see how the modern use of christian demonology completely contradicts the ALLEGORICAL approach of the Holy Bible itself. Something I’ve noticed throughout the years is that christian demonology is a field which is very much pursued by young and curious christians. And it’s a damn shame that they are taught that the “lesser stuff” is more important than what is (unfortunately) reputed as “basic mysticism” —and that is, in my understanding, due to the work of some spiritualists who tried to corrupt the meaning of the Holy Bible and, possibly, also had psychotic tendencies. As some of you might have read in my last posts on this thread, the christian esoteric postulates completely refute that type of ritualistic approach. It’s no coincidence that Christianity and its mystical roots are grounded in LIGHT and LOVE. And the purest manifestations of Light and Love are more than enough (!) to free someone from hardships. It’s also no coincidence that both the Holy Mass and the Protestant Service are grounded in INCREASING THE LIGHT —meaning: attuning one’s consciousness with the Divine—, NOT fighting, removing or avoiding darkness, hardships, demons or any other things! There’s just no way, from an esoteric standpoint, to conclude that there’s such a thing as literally removing demons from someone. I have a strong belief that this narrative is used exclusively to making money off of people’s desperations and miseries —or, in the most optimistic scenario, made by someone with a very naive understanding of mysticism. Christian demonology has become a fertile land of complete lunatics. And I frequently see people who have a history of mental illness or who come from a “RolePlay Games” background seeking this kind of knowledge and/or producing their own works/opinions in this field. And that’s why I once again bring up the title of this thread: “Why focus on the negative?”. Why waste time thinking of the darkness (absence of Light) when one could be thinking of the Light? Why not spend your precious time invoking God’s ineffable Light and Grace, which protects and guides us to his incognoscible Glory?

That’s interesting.

Dear Neirong, I totally understand your point, and I absolutely disagree with everything you said. And I say this with no resentment. Disagreements are actually excellent resources to fight the ego! Seeing that you have an utterly different perception of reality than me does humble myself — that’s because I learn that I could be wrong. Actually, neither do any of us completely know if we are right, and that’s honestly fun. So I’m really grateful for your insights. Just to point out a few things. I don’t mean “Light” in a literal way — I suppose you understood it and just played along with similar allegories. Also, I wouldn’t underestimate the Church’s wickedness — it’s easy to externalize problems and blame demons for them when we can’t fully accept people’s will. Finally, regarding the “Light” thing, I disagree with your statements to the point of thinking that they contradict very basic esoteric postulates: (i) “The more sensible something appears to the human mind, the more dangerous the underlying error can be.”. [this is a bold and dangerous generalization] (ii) “First, you cannot (…) reveal hidden truths simply by flooding a space with light, no matter how intense. Even if the light blinds you, it won’t expose everything. Demons, otherworldly creatures, and countless other entities do not reflect light, rendering them invisible”. [This is just not right from an esoteric standpoint. If you follow a certain religion and really believe this, that’s great. You might be right and I might be wrong, who knows? But, this does sound completely off to me]. Again, my friend, I respect your opinion and I’m thankful for all the information you provided me. All that I know is I know nothing (~Socrates)!!

Agreed, Nungali. I also think that much of demonology is internal and that there is an external factor to it which, paradoxically, isn’t originated from the outside, but, as you brilliantly said, is a externalization of energy. As one of your links states, Plato was very keen on Theurgy — which, at that time, was practiced with the purpose of “accessing” the Divinity through its intermediaries. It wasn’t a DIRECT mystical approach like some “protestant/alchemical/hermetic-based” esoteric systems and circles. Rather, it was done through intermediary “beings”. A great example of this (which is pretty modern) is Martinez de Pasqually’s theurgic system, based on a highly complex hierarchy of Spirits. My personal opinion is that each and every one of those Spirits and Daimons are exactly an externalization of a vibrational state which is consciously OR unconsciously (!) attainable from within (and not originated from outside). That also explains much of Jung’s approaches on “Archetypes”. The Daimonic Reality is very real, in my opinion, and it’s like radio stations. If one tunes into a certain frequency, all he will hear is the correspondent noise of that same frequency. And, by “tuning into a certain Daimon”, one starts operating in that same exact vibrational state of consciousness.

That’s very interesting. It reminds me of the year 2006, where I was obsessed with demonology and also obsessed with the christian concept of “trial”. I remember that, the more I thought that the bad things which were happening to me were inevitable “spiritual trials” or actual demons, the more the situation would get worse — meaning: the harder the “trials” would get and the toughest the demons would turn out to be. After some years of reflecting upon what really happened, I came to the conclusion that I fell prey not to demons or spiritual trials, but to my own habits of thinking. As the mirror principle states: as it is within so is without, and outer events are just a reflection of one’s inner conversation. So, I suppose my life turned into nothing but fighting demons and enduring spiritual trials exactly because my mystical beliefs were almost entirely based on fighting demons and enduring spiritual trials (how ironic!). And that seems to be somewhat related to what you said regarding accountability (as in “it just feels so much easier to say everything is a Demon and try my best. That may not be a good thing”). However, despite my harsh criticism towards demonology (which is notable in my last comments), I don’t claim to be right. I was just expressing my point of view, but I might be wrong about everything I said and everything I say in general. In general, I do think we overestimate our problems to the point of wrongly thinking they are due to purely external factors (like “god send spiritual trials” or demons, for no reason) — when they would be, actually, partially just effects of our own choices. But there might be exceptions… I definitely don’t know all there is out there.

I didn’t fully understand your comment. Is “progressing down the psychic rabbit hole” a good thing or a bad thing?

Jesus in fact lived and suffered human pain at the cross, but that doesn’t exclude the fact that he is an esoteric formula to be followed by humanity. I believe people truly do have free will, and souls like Hitler’s will learn what needs to be learned, and they will change for the better sooner or later, even if it takes thousands and thousands of years — exactly because of karma. However, God’s plan can’t be reduced to cause and effect. There are certain things we can’t explain and might be BEYOND free will. Not that our free will is limited, but because it’s completely and absolutely ineffable and surpasses all cognition. There is no esoteric understanding that can explain or describe God — only its secondary effects.

I recall that basically all my childhood prays used to materialize, because I used to pray with conviction and trust that they would turn real — just as the Bible advocates. I see it all as a manifestation of the inevitable and natural karmic apparatus of Life. Why does praying work? Well… because you asked for it. This is just cause and effect — added to a few other things that don’t matter that much as people think. If you don't ask for things and just leave your future in the hands of the random influence of entropy, be sure that your future will be governed by statistics.

So, as I’ve been studying christian demonology for a few years now, I still can’t help but to think that it is an absolute waste of time. Reason why I’m planning to quit it for good. Why study demons when you can avoid “them” if you sustain a healthy and balanced way of living life? Of course, you can definitely “encounter” “demons” if you cultivate extreme opinions and identity yourself with strong worldviews, hence the karmic-educational nature of life. But why would an actual mystic —who practices under a legit organization or tradition— would spend his time studying in detail such a negative field which, by the way, actually leads to nowhere? In fact, all demons are representations of something, and the Holy Bible is on point, since there are no random demons. However, isn’t it more productive to improve your spiritual experience through “taking the correct path” instead of “avoiding the wrong paths”? (Obviously) The study of demonology, because of its very nature, tends to be sought after by teens and young adults, which is justified. But why would an adult mystic —who likely knows the allegorical implications of its study— think he would find so much answers in its study? Have they forgotten the meaning of John 1:5? ”And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not”.