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25 minutes ago, Cobie said:

superficiality [6 syllables ] : 
the simplicity of the

most intelligent. 
 

 

Most intelligent

speak intelligent-i-ly

'spec-i-aly me

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take it in your stride

feel the rhythm in your feet

whistle while you work

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On 8/1/2023 at 5:30 PM, Mark Foote said:

left-handed presence
gotta hold it together

gotta fall apart

gotta fall apart

tears sing in my coffee cup

I let the mask go

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Here's mine: there is nothing less daoist than sitting in front of a computer (or phone) and writing posts on an internet forum.

: )

On 7/24/2023 at 7:43 PM, Mark Foote said:

back to discipline

discipline and miracles

an everyday need

an everyday need

a fine nest woven from twigs

takes a lot of work

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On 7/15/2023 at 7:54 PM, Mark Foote said:

feet in the air?  Hands?

birds of a feather, flying
just where, exactly?

just where, exactly?

can't be two places at once

here is one not two 

1 hour ago, steve said:

It's one of my favorite topics. 

Thanks!  Very interesting.  

5 hours ago, Apech said:

I don't know anything about Bon Dzogchen so perhaps @steve will be able to answer this.

Maybe was a misconception to think that Dzogchen part of Bön would different, since it is really just a label for the training method.  While Bön practice and belief system may have different aspects, seems like the same refrain @C T mentioned would apply to it as well:

6 hours ago, C T said:

Ultimately, all authentic Buddhist[/Bön] paths will lead out of contractive, sticky, graspy mindsets. 

 

The Buddha recognised needs exist in multivaried forms, hence the many doors. 

Super interesting and helpful.  Have been reading into this and struggling to make out the difference between the two. The sentence on the Dzogchen that stuck out to me:

4 hours ago, C T said:

To train means that whatever forms appear in your field of vision, however varied, just recognize the watcher; that is the training.

I guess this would would be in contrast to training with mindfulness to achieve non-fixation or non-attachment to the form, with perhaps either approach leading to the same place.

Maybe this metaphor works?: In Dzogchen you hold the egg with an open palm, but in Mahamudra you softly close your hand around it.   

On 7/12/2023 at 9:05 PM, C T said:

 

thangka magic, deep

darkness is not an option

mind that beer belly 

 

🤭

 

mind that beer belly

if you drink too much molson

you won't see your feet

A few basic questions that have been percolating into my coffee pot: 

1. What is Dzogchen generally, other than just non-duality 

2. What is Mahamudra and how is it different from, or the same as, Dzogchen

3. How does Bön Dzogchen differ from Buddhist Dzogchen 

I got the impression that some people though my Haiku was offtempo yesterday, so I wanted to briefly explain it. I had originally written a haiku saying to be careful not to slip on ice because if you do you will get hurt. Then, there was a response saying pain is merely the mind’s construction.

So I got to thinking about that.  While true, pain is only a construction of the "mind," so to speak, it does not mean we go out and solicit pain.  We don’t walk uncarefully on ice, simply because the pain is made in the "mind".  The absurd example, of course, was the trimming off of Bob’s arm.  Sure the pain only occurred in his “mind”, but he lost his arm in the process.   The point was that the pain is real in as much as Bob’s arm is real.  Perhaps the sensation of pain itself is illusory, but what it tells us is not. Pain is sometimes unavoidable but one ought to try to cultivate harmony in life to avoid it (and not be like Bob).   

Apologies for the weirdness.  Do very much find this forum fascinating. It seems, however, that these conversations are occupying more and more of my very shallow and continually evaporating mental faculties. Probably ought to drop off the radar for a while. This as I sit at my lunch break.  Do appreciate this place.  :  )

2 hours ago, steve said:

 

no ‘lightenment here

say the frustrated teachers

DaoBums rest…

                                  … in peace

DaoBums rest…

                                  … in peace

with absurd dreams to prove the

opposite is true

with all the trimmings

bob trimm'd off his arm to prove  

what's real is untrue

2 hours ago, C T said:

one just might get slapped! 

a timely belt now and then 

sure to keep one real 

sure to keep one real

don’t slip when walking on ice

reality hurts