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I am from India
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9 hours ago, Nuralshamal said:Dear Dao Bums,
Those of you that know me are aware I've been searching for astral travel for some time.
The best system I've ever done is Simplified Kundalini Yoga (SKY for short), everything works: the pranayama, the physical yogic exercise, building and transforming sex energy, awakening kundalini, opening the chakras, becoming one with the divine. It's so easy, so simple, yet it all works.
It all works due to the grace of the master, Vethathiri Maharishi. He has devised a system of shaktipat were the enormeous energy cultivated by great masters can be transferred to the student, awakening his energy and chakras in minutes.
From thereon, ok, you need to put in the work to "level up", but at each initiation you receive more and more power from the masters touch, gaze and even mind power.
I finally became a master in this system after 5 years of daily practice, and I was so shocked. Just as easy and simple as my own chakras were opened one by one, just as easy the power from Vethathiri and my teacher comes to help me when opening new peoples' chakras. I was shocked.
Everything just works, it's easy, more than 100 people in my country have gotten their Kundalini and chakras opened by now.
All is well and good, I'm so spiritually content with SKY. Alas, there is only one thing that ails me, and that is astral travel.
It used to be part of the system on the master's level, but has been removed.
However, the past 3 years or so, I've managed to slowly build up a network of local masters I know. There is so much politics and hierarchy in India because of poverty and desperation, but there are several "rogue masters" that still teach astral travel.
There is also official masters who were authorised to carry on teaching it in spite of the official stoppage.
I finally tracked down one of these masters and her ashram in India, pretty close to the official temple. Now the next thing is that you need a local person to take you there, you need an introduction, a formal "he's good" from someone they know and trust, since astral travel is obviously a very powerful skill to have, and even more powerful to have in your teaching arsenal as a master, alongside kundalini awakening and chakra opening.
However unfortunately, all the "higher ups" I know don't like this supposedly "authorised astral travel teacher" and won't take me. Further, the masters that do are afraid to be frozen out, because obviously any european there is rumored immediately, and he's afraid everyone will think he's taking me there because he's getting money from me and not because I'm actually a SKY master wishing to pass on the full system, including astral travel like Vethathiri used to do.
Then he will use his job, social status in the community and so on.
So now I'm thinking about finding someone that's not "locked in" in that local community to help me. So anyone here on the forum Indian? Tamil would make it easier, as the temple and astral travel ashram is in Tamil Nadu.
It would be about 6 months to take all the SKY online courses with about 1 initiation per month. After 6 months and having gotten Brahma Gyanam certificate and having had all chakras opened, this person would be eligible to go to the secret astral travel ashram (I will share name, whatsapp numbers, adress and so on).
Then I would be happy to go there with this personanyone know someone who would be up for that?
Full kundalini awakening, opening all chakras, learning astral travel through direct yogic shaktipat, even being given the power and blessing to also transfer this siddhi to others, what's not to like?
It's a win/win/winI will message you
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9 hours ago, Nuralshamal said:
I've gone through quite a change of heart throughout this thread to be honest.
I've been practicing daily without fail since I started - it's been 2 years now.
After 2 years of giving myself and my life, spending 30-120 minutes daily (sometimes longer( this is how I feel.
My advice would be:
1) firstly start practicing daily without fail under a true, real, authentic lineage under a true master (for qigong some I would vouch for would be Zhongxian Wu (Master Wu), Chunyi Lin (Spring Forest Qigong), Lie He (Ling Gui), Lu Xia and for Kundalini awakening and chakra empowerments I can vouch for Simplified Kundalini Yoga or SKY, I know many masters in the system, there are some in almost every country, so simply approach the nearest to you).
2) if after doing this real cultivation, acquiring the power to meditate, feel your life force as vibration, and heal yourself and others, you DON'T feel satisfied and still feel drawn to the occult, meaning rituals, magic, talismans etc, then you can do Jason Read's MaoShan primarily just for fun, knowledge and curiosity, but like I said, be careful about associating directly with Jason in a personal way, and I would never advice anyone to do it as a standalone system "as a spiritual path".
He doesn't call himself a master, he calls himself a student and primarily a translator, and I agree with him.
I'm sure MaoShan exists as a real and genuine path, with true masters, true powers and real cultivation, but after 2 years of daily practice my own personal experience is that it was fun, interesting, I learnt new things, so it was great for knowledge and entertainment, and there is of course some energy to be had from some of the practices if you do it daily, correctly and for a long period, but if I compare it to 2 years of daily practice under Master Wu, or any of the others really, there is simply no comparison.
If I could go back and speak with myself before starting, I would still tell myself to start, yet see it as fun and knowledge. Because I approached it with a very serious and dedicated mentality, discipline, my goal was to get initiated and take MaoShan as my path, but if I could go back I would tell myself no, don't do it.
I personally needed to try it, I grew from it, meaning I realized many of the things I've done earlier are really precious, and that all these metaphysical things and powers are not had as easy as it's written by Jason Read. E.g. it says that after 1 year of daily golden light mantra practice you can use it for lucid dreaming and astral travel, didn't work. I did it for 8 months straight, every single night without fail, no results (after completing the prerequisite of 1 year obviously).
Compare this to bön lucid dreaming practice, I got results in the very first month. Same with Buddhist lucid dreaming.
It comes down to the power of the master and the direct transmission from him. Dr Nida Chenagtsang was my teacher for bön, and Tulku Lobsang Rinpoche for Buddhist lucid dreaming.
Because they are themselves at a certain level, they transmit some of that to you, making it faster for you to get results (if you do indeed put in the work of daily practice without fail, which pretty much no-one does).
@Alfigar, I don't know your cultivation background, but I would highly advise against any white/european guru in anything energy-related (pretty controversial statement, I know). I have only met 2 white/european masters in all my life I would say actually "got it". That's Steven Sadleir (in SKY) and John Dolic (who teaches many styles of qigong). Other than that, all other white/european masters in energy I've seen almost always end up with some weird thing. They make it in their own image somehow, instead of taking it in its true context, they convert it to something "they think" it is, instead of taking it "as it really is".
I would recommend any of the masters I mentioned above. It's usually best to get someone from the culture this knowledge is coming from, as they take it "as is", it's normal, it's natural, they understand its true context.
I'm personally mixed and 60% white, and absolutely adore white/european culture and thinking, and really value the emphasis on the mental as well as intelligence, but honestly, when it comes to energy practices from Tibet, China or India, it's a completely different context. If you really get it, okay great, no problem. I ofc feel I somewhat get it, but that's due to cultural similarity, as well as having been in a rural Indian village since the age of 4, literally taking it in with the mother's milk. And I can also vouch for Steven Sadleir and John Dolic, an american and a yugoslavian respectively.
Sadleir had the great opportunity of spending a lot of time one on one with Vethathiri Maharishi (the founder of SKY), and he's a true master. He can transmit energy to hundreds and hundreds of students at the same time, lower the energy to the root chakra of hundreds with just a wave of his hand, he's legit.
Similarly with John Dolic. I feel Yugoslavia is more grounded than northern Europe in general, so I feel like it was easier for him "to get it" when he went to China at 20 years old. He stayed there for almost 10 years, and got a chinese wife. He also had some real masters. I feel like he gets it too.
But many of the famous and respected white/european people acting as gurus right now, God, sorry to say, I feel they're all super weird and in no way deserving of the guru worship and adoration they get. They have reached something in their cultivation (some of them), but they've still not "gotten it", like really gotten what it's all about. Maybe due to culture, maybe due to having had fake masters, what do I know, but they clearly just don't get what it's all really about in the end. Maybe just because they haven't reached it.
God bless and guide us all to the right pathjust sharing my personal experience (bought from blood, sweat, tears, lifelong cultivation and many bitter experiences), take what you can use and leave the rest, think for yourself and follow your own soul, it's the best guide you can get.
Thanks for the detailed answer
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4 hours ago, Giles said:Ditto ☹️
Send direct message to nuraishamal. Ash him any questions you have he is student of Jason
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9 hours ago, Alfigar said:Hmm, its saying "I do not have permission to see it"
Link is working for me.
Send direct message to nuraishamal. He is the student of Jason
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3 hours ago, Alfigar said:Has anyone tried the Mao Shan iniation as described in his book, "Practical Chinese Magic"? I am interested to see if its legit.
Check this bro
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On 5/7/2025 at 3:32 PM, Nuralshamal said:
@Chang dao ling you could argue that Sri Vidya is a kind of white magic, due to the yoga + bhoga combination.
It includes all 4 purusharthas (dharma, artha, kama, moksha).
E.g. Ganapati spiritually works on your negative, animalistic karmic tendencies from past lives (sleep, sex, food, safety), karmic doshas (pitru dosha, whatever doshas you have) and unblocks everything preventing you from advancing both spiritually and materially.
Materially Ganapati brings financial stability. He removes hurdles and obstacles, karma, opening the karmic pathway of sufficient wealth to sustain yourself and your dependents, so you can get the necessary artha to go further in spirituality.
Bala Tripura Sundari spiritually brings you peace of mind as well as joy and a fun loving, inncent nature, "frees your inner child" in psychology terms, materially you get Kama. If you have a wife, she'll become more playful and sensual. Otherwise, you'll attract a lover.
Matangi is an attractive force, similar to attraction/vashikarana mantra, yet dharmic and white magic. In a group of the opposite sex, at least one of them will be attracted to you (after you do Matangi sadhana that is). If you don't have a partner, no worries, one will come to you much more easily after. If you do have one, instead Matangi will help you in whichever domain you're lacking. If you need a job, she'll a attract it to you etc. So both spiritual and material help.
Varahi is a repellant. Spiritually she will protect you from evil spirits, evil eye, curses, black magic etc. Materially she'll make sure any enemies or rivals in your work, family, friend group, whatever, all enemies will be destroyed or at the very least paralyzed (stambhanam).
Finally Tripura Sundari gives both dharma, artha, kama and moksha, all in one. She'll fix your material life so you have what you need to feel safe and secure, and be able to continue to pursue spirituality.
So most magic is covered: money, sex, love, attraction as well as protection/purification.
It takes some time of commitment to do purascharan for each devata: do the japa, puja, homa, tarpanam, marjanam and bhojanam. Depending on your karma, you might have to do several purascharanas. However in the end, it's worth it.
Especially when you get the Meru, it is yantra raja, contains all Gods and Godesses, opens all chakras and nadis, gives all 4 purushartas and all types of siddhis.
If you go through all devatas, and you get the blessing, you'll get direct guidance from the Goddess, the Guru, or find a Guru who can show you how to use the Meru to achieve/manifest whatever you desire materially and spiritually.Thank you very much
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On 3/31/2025 at 10:58 PM, Nuralshamal said:Pretty interesting interview I saw today (link at the bottom).
She explains how self-cultivation and connecting to the universal energy will create spiritual abilities naturally through overflow and practice, as well as the blessing from the master.
She then compares it to deity possession and keeping spirits, and how this way of getting spiritual powers actually drains your jing, qi and shen over time.
So unless you know how to refill, you will shorten your own life span, decrease your vitality, decrease luck and wealth qi, and when whatever you're calling and relying on is done with you, it will move on to your family members and others close to you.
In short, more or less an explanation aligning very well with the visions I got earlier, which I shared a couple of days ago
Also makes sense compared to other Chinese masters like Zhongxian Wu (Master Wu), Chunyi Lin (Spring Forest Qigong) and Lie He (Ling Gui). They all look healthy and vital for their age. As does the woman in the interview I'm about to share (haven't stumbled across her before today - she's called Liu Xia). Also if you take a look at Tulku Lobsang Rinpoche who teaches tummo and is very focused on what he calls tantrayana and body-focused practices, he looks very healthy and radiant for his age.
Here's the interview, it's just 2-3 minutes.
Take heed my brothers and sisters, be mindful of cultivating your jing, qi and shen daily through qigong form an authentic lineage practice taught by a true master who radiates and exemplifies health, peace and vitality.This is very interesting. Thanks for the video
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As usual very interesting post.
Is there anyone in India who teaches white magic?
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8 hours ago, silent thunder said:Master Wang teaches. He is teaching, myriad techniques.
Yes, his biography is awesome
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4 hours ago, Tommy said:Was this practice hard to do? Did it make any difference in your life or outlook?
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4 hours ago, Tommy said:Was this practice hard to do? Did it make any difference in your life or outlook?
It's very easy practice. You just gentle concentrate on 2 finger width above navel. You can also visualise a bright ball or just concentrate it's up to you. I observed two benefits first my patience is very much improved. My second is i experience deep tranquility while practicing this meditation.
Note: you can practice this meditation with or without visualization i practiced without visualization
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On 3/5/2025 at 8:35 AM, Tommy said:That's it? Introduced a new term and the OP says Google it? Why not tell us your experiences with this method?
Check this website you will get all information about this meditation technique.
I don't know if this technique is suitable for you. But you can try. For me this is the best meditation technique i experience deep nothingness while practicing this meditation
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On 2/27/2025 at 9:47 PM, Aleksandr said:Sorry, but this is not interesting at all. Perhaps Rudy will be interesting to someone for some kind of educational program in qigong.
He taught neigong not qigong. Why your not interested in his system? Or your not interested in his teaching style?
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7 hours ago, Aleksandr said:Who are Master Zhou and Rudi, can you give more details, the names are too general?
Authenticneigong.com
Rudi taught neigong check this website. Zhou is Rudi's teacher
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19 hours ago, damdao said:I think there is nothing new to say.
If you like the Longmen program by Wang Liping, you should enroll in Brine's courses. Learn, interact on the platform, and save money to travel to the annual retreat. These retreats are not open to everyone; you should have experience, some proficiency, and the ability to sit for an extended period.
BTW, in his last book, he teaches the first step in Sanxian Gong.
If you want to practice Neigong, you can stay with Rudi and travel when he organizes a seminar. You might also have the opportunity to train and be attuned by Master Zhou.
What is sanxian gong?
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I think authentic neigong and lotusneigong are best for you bro. Forgot about Wang liping.
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1 hour ago, Aleksandr said:Can anyone tell me where I can find out something about a retreat in Greece? There is nothing on Google about this.
Maybe it is one of the seminars that have already taken place?
Check this website
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Sinai , why don't you try authenticneigong or lotusneigong?
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8 hours ago, Eclair Blanc said:Yes I'm interested in Siddha Yoga as a whole since longtime and this one seems to be one of the very few genuine lineage. However this Siddha Yoga has very special features :
-There is only one Sadguru ( Guru Siyag)
-He is considered as Kalki Avatar
-He has special siddhis
-This Guru has passed away but the Shaktipat is still available ( and working) through his recordings especially the sound of his voice and the pictures.
In other Siddha Yoga this is very different as the Shaktipat and Deeksha are usually performed by living Guru of the lineage. For example in the Mahayoga lineage you can receive shaktipat remotely ( free of charge) by a living Shaktipat Guru.
Wow. I don't know about mahayoga lineage. Thanks for the information. Which system you are practicing?
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Hi fellow bums,
I found amazing website to learn neidan and much more
https://fiveimmortals.com/schedule-2025/
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19 hours ago, Eclair Blanc said:According to the story of Guru Siyag, he has attained light body because he has attained Gayatri Siddhi by himself and Krishna Siddhi through the Deeksha from Baba Gangainathji ( Form and Formless God). Followers believe he is Kalki avatar other see it as an enlightened siddha yogi.
Yes. Are you interested in this system?
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11 hours ago, Lukks said:then you are practicing only this system now?
Yes. One of the disadvantage of this system you have to practice only this system. So if you are serious about this system you have to abandon other systems.
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Wang Liping Contact
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Forget about him bro