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  5. Posted

    There is no objective person or objective judgement of any person as long as they still are caught captive in the subject-object duality. (= Assertion that might happily be refuted with further arguments.)

    With this I retreat and hope to learn with a vow of future silence in this thread. Thanks.

     

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  6. Posted · Edited by S:C

    7 minutes ago, Maddie said:

    not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts.

    Impossible for humans that still function via their sense doors and mind machine interpreting them. (= Assertion that should (in my opinion) happily be refuted and debated!)

     

    Alright, maybe now I can try to think this whole thing through. T

     

    hanks, @Maddie. However I would be curious if that is the definition Mr. @HumanElectric was thinking about, too, when he wrote the above assertion? 

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    1 minute ago, HumanElectric said:

    Brother,

    Brother, thanks. But the specific definitions and expectations of concepts do matter... not everyone feels or perceives or knows the same world or consensual reality. I am confused, that you cannot see the point of a clear definition. If you might cite a definition by an author of some authority or even your own and not a mere example of an inductive reasoning (going from a specific example to a generalization - it just isn't able to claim truth for each and everyone around you. - Regarding your example of the stove: there is a neurological disorder ... some people just don't feel the pain - but why are you so sure that something is wrong with them?

    Who or what gives you the right to define the norm?

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    5 minutes ago, Maddie said:

    Unless of course you have everyone in the same room at the same time lol.

     

    Hypothesis of impossible (but hypothetically interesting) conditions in the dimension I live in. 

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    The point being an objective measurement does not depend upon the perspective of the individual doing the measuring.

    Interesting thought concept, thank you. But still I do disagree or am lacking an understanding. 

    In my belief it does differ who does the measuring. (But with this I do retreat unless someone can offer a valid counter argument. 

     

    Still - no definition of objectivity. :( 

    (I am sorry to all parties involved for hypothetical stepping on your toes; it must be something wrong with the way I conceptualize this.)

     

     

  11. Posted

    3 minutes ago, HumanElectric said:

    we’ll objectively feel the same heat.

    I respectfully disagree. Why should the feeling be the same? 

    How could you be so sure about this? I for once cannot claim to know this.

    (And I did not speak about hypnosis, so no generalizations here please.)

  12. Posted

    Just now, HumanElectric said:

     these counter-arguments some in this thread continue to bring up, hold no weight and are besides the point.

     

    I did not bring a counter argument, I am sorry you feel this way. This is in fact a personal problem of conceptualization of the meaning objective. All I was doing was asking for your definition and/or conceptualization of the meaning "objective". 

    (I am really very indifferent to the concrete question and very sorry to ask this personal question in an innocent thread, but the matter just came up.)

  13. Posted

    14 hours ago, Sanity Check said:

    For whatever reason, I've always thought some cultivation practices contained similar traps.

     

    Quite possible. What are your aims, if I may ask? 

    What system (of meditation?) are you trying to master?

    What is it that you 'get' or 'expect' to get from meditation?

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    2 minutes ago, Maddie said:

     

    Objective measurements are measurements that are not subjective. Anyone can take them and get the same results under the same conditions. Anyone taking room temperature using a thermometer is going to get the same result if they use it correctly, regardless of who measures it. 

    (I really shouldn't be posting anymore, but thanks, @Maddie. But I respectfully disagree: your example might work if all people are in the same spot at the same time, but that is a mere hypothesis, an ideal that cannot be fulfilled, - whatever you measure it is still limited to space and time and the conditions and circumstances at that present moment. .... However what people seem to be discussing here is more a thing of personal - that means subjective experience, - in my definition of these words. It might even be a sum of people in accordance, agreed, but that doesn't make it objective in my very humble and very limited opinion. Maybe Mr. @HumanElectric would be keen to help me with my wrong conceptualization of 'objective'... I would be very much obliged and hope to stay out of further discussions ... today... and just be a noninvolved observer...)

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    4 minutes ago, HumanElectric said:

    if none of us did, it invalidates our objective experiences?

    Why on earth should any experience of an individual or a group be able to claim "objectivity" for themselves?! 

    What exactly is your definition of "objectivity", if I may ask?

    (I don't confirm or deny any other claims on this thread.)

  16. Posted · Edited by S:C

    1 hour ago, Maddie said:

    Stage tricks

    I was quite amazed when I had heard about Simon Magus in the Acts of the Apostles (Acts 8:9-24).

    And I do suppose, there were many more stories, that aren’t told anymore today. Most of the gems either seem lost or vanished or censored. 
    Someone here was at times discussing the gospel of Thomas, but I forgot who did. It was quite an enjoyable conversation.

  21. Posted

    Christian Mysticism, if there is any resource  and thoughts on the gospel of Thomas would be of interest for me. 
    But I can continue to read what is posted elsewhere about this, so I am indifferent whether there is a subforum or not.

    (Whatever was Leonard Cohens belief I’d be curious too…) 

  24. Posted

    On 14.11.2023 at 5:06 PM, thelerner said:

    Anyone can fill your head with any which crap.  Welcome to the machine. 

    In my head a whole symphony orchestra plays a serenade to the quote author out of this felt resonance today. Internally I applaud, but am baffled why this feels so true. Magnificent.
     

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