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  1. Posted

    On 2021-11-29 at 8:33 AM, Antares said:

     

    Now they teach northern method online openly. I am not sure whether they teach foreigners online. And they seem to halt teaching  yuxian openly. But one needs to get in touch with them to clarify the issue if interested. I have not been on their forum for quite long for I do another methods which have southern roots and methodology. It is not easy to get southern methods from Daode. Especially at this time of restrictions.

     

    But as for northern one they teach I can recommend it. They provide supplementary methods to balance yin which arises from sitting methods. In general northern methods are much slower than southern ones and might have adverse side "yin effects" if done incorrectly. But daode people know how to do it right and eliminate these adverse effects. It may suite people who cant travel but want to do authentic daoist methods.  

    Does that mean that they teach three methods?

    A northern, yuxian pai, and wuliu pai?

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    2 hours ago, awaken said:

     

     

    看了這麼多丹經，第一次聽到有『紅龍』，竟然還分雄的雌的，真的有點誇張了。

    It's uncommon, using the red dragon as a symbol, at least in the texts translated to english. Good to hear it is the same in chinese.

     

    I have only seen the term once, in the context of an author trying to convey the concept of reversal (Ni).

    Can't remember which text though, sorry.

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    2 hours ago, awaken said:

     

    那群俄羅斯人講的，就是所謂的『搬運法』，而搬運法在正宗丹道裡面是被稱為『邪道』的，各位可以看劉一明的西遊記解說，或者看悟真篇，都提到對搬運法的批評。

     

    As I recall, having gone through several of these threads recently, the WLP group all felt that your image of what they practiced and their actual practices differed. 

    They also agreed with you, the practices you stated were wrong, they also stated was wrong. 

     

    And then most threads ended up in silly arguments about non-relevant translations...

  4. Posted

    3 hours ago, Iliketurtles said:

     

    There is a reason most papers (edit: published in reputable top journals) are published by people with PhDs in their relevant fields, 

    /... ... /

    When you look over someone's resume to make sure they are qualified, 

     

    The point here being "in their relevant fields" 

    A person with a PhD should be qualified to conduct independent research in his/her field of study, while at the same time might not be competent to conduct research in a different field. 

     

    A M.D. might not be qualified to do independent research at all, and might not be qualified to do research in any field outside of the chosen medical specialization. 

     

    And I know this because I have been in a PhD program, with MD's. 

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  8. Posted

    11 hours ago, Iliketurtles said:

     

    I am referring to what most reasonable people would accept as evidence.  

    Reasonable people tend to say that the level of evidence required depend on the claim. 

    A claim that I just committed murder require a different level than for example the claim that I have taken a dump this week. 

     

    In that spirit, a claim about something supernatural would, for most reasonable people, require more stringent evidence than something that everyone experience every day. 

    Not requiring that would make one gullible, right? 

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    17 hours ago, Seeking said:

     

    What do you lot do as a warm up to before practicing to get the energies flowing and awaken the meridians? The same old joint circles routine everyone seems to know (feet circles, knee circles, hip circles, shoulder circles) or something a bit more fancy?

    I do one of these. 

    When I started doing it, 20 years ago, it was just that. 

    Nowadays, I fill those movements with every principle and every skill, physical and awareness-related, as I can. 

    17 hours ago, Seeking said:

    someone said "The first 45 minutes of most peoples practice is entirely wasted

    At a beginner level, maybe. 

    Later on, every minute of practice counts. 

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    It is mentioned that the heart stores the spirit, the liver stores the soul, the lung stores the soul, the spleen stores the meaning, and the kidney stores the will

    Especially the hidden spirit in the heart, many people have misunderstood this point, thinking that the spirit should be in the brain. In fact, the hidden spirit in the heart is talking about the primordial spirit who knows the spirit and hides the primordial spirit. This step is produced in the process of becoming happy, but Few people can practice here, because there are too many illusions in the process of happiness , not to mention the sense of light, as well as the illusion after the sense of light, and the manifestation of the consciousness and the hidden essence after the illusion. And the soul of the liver hides the soul, which refers to the sun soul and the black liver. Very few people know this, because very few people can practice it here, and even fewer people can understand the scriptures.

    (If one bothers to use google translate...)

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  13. Posted

    1 minute ago, Seeking said:

     

    Yes, thats what I mean in the sense that the teacher dictates the practice usually based on their insight of the student and whats needed 

    Or based on the mechanisms of the style. A preskription for a specific ailment is different from a long term practice. 

    1 minute ago, Seeking said:

     

    Have you ever tried moving your practice to different times to check the variations (if any) in your experience?

    I have, and there are clear differences in sensations. 

     

    But, having a practice routine that fits with overall life is, in my opinion, of more value than trying to fit in my practice at a specific time based on sensations. 

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  14. Posted

    8 hours ago, freeform said:

     the thing with science is that you need to repeat it hundreds or thousands of times to reach a certain level of statistical significance to show any kind of ‘proof’ that would be of relevance in the scientific community.

     

    Not only does that cost a lot - but try finding thousands of genuine healers who all agree to do this - 

    One doesn't need thousands to reach statistical significance. 

    8 hours ago, freeform said:

     

    I can emit qi in a very palpable way for instance. It affects animals… it affected a man in a coma (leg started spasming for the first time). I can make some electric meters move… I can make patterns in magnetic field paper etc. All the senior students of my teacher can do this. There’s lots of schools in Asia that can do it.

     

    It seems reasonably ‘objective’ - but for a scientist this would be an anomaly and would not count as scientific ‘proof’. 

    One time wouldn't do the trick though, and that seems to be the problem. How many controlled studies on the subject is there, where the result is repeated in at least two independent studies, and the result is statistically significant? 

     

    There are a few key studies published. I haven't followed the area, but all of those I have read are made in different ways, measuring different things, so that isn't really helpful. 

     

    The same with studies on treatment. Most of them (that I have read) are too small and fail to control for placebo, making the result inconclusive. (Making the medical community interested in the result is another can of worms...) 

     

    That is btw a problem not only for energy healing, but for other methods as well, where there is not enough funding or motivation by researchers to create study protocols that are useful. 

     

    Personally, for the later, I blame the system. At present, four small studies =PhD, while one larger study generally isn't enough for that.  And universities often get state funding based on finished examinations, at least that is how it works in my neck of the woods. 

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  19. Posted

    On 2021-12-30 at 8:47 PM, Iliketurtles said:

     

    There are several books written about the art I study available on amazon. They were written by charlatans which contain nothing but disinformation. 

     

     

     

    This is my experience as well. 

    I have a small collection of books and pdf's describing my method, the complete method, and nothing but the method; most of it are the notes one is handed on the first introductory days of practice, the rest is severely mixed up with stuff that the author happened to practice parallel to this at the time of the writing.