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3 hours ago, Shadow_self said:

 

Visualization seems to be the central component of all the "practical" aspects I managed to read so far (something ive always been warned away from) 

Sounds logical though. If (my lack of insight in magic is abyssmal) magic is about changing an aspect of reality, forming ones intent with a visualisation to create a thought-form that can be infused with power seems like a good idea. 

1 hour ago, awaken said:

 

你是一個很好的銷售員，很可惜我不是來買功法的。

 

You are a very good salesperson, it is a pity that I am not here to buy exercises.

This also makes you look like an aggressive idiot. Your lack of understanding of the english language, combined with your "mission" stated below, really works against you. 

Especially since the one looking for students is... you. 

But maybe the problem lies in the fact that this is a discussion forum, and you will have to cope with the fact that anything you write can and might get disagreed with? If you find that a problem, and you have no other way to cope with that than being rude, you can always choose to stick to your ppd. 

1 hour ago, awaken said:

我來這裡是有使命的，就是來推廣真正的丹道，避免有心人被誤導。

I am here with a mission, to promote the real Dan Dao and prevent newcomers from being misled by wrong methods

5 hours ago, awaken said:

 

Now that everyone knows, why are so many people still practicing?

Because not everyone are studying Nei Dan Shu? 

5 hours ago, awaken said:

 

Can't find the right way?

I'm positive that a lot of people can't find the right way, microcosmic orbit or not. 

Most texts about neidan seems to cover the subject of "most teachers are ignorant of the true way". 

4 hours ago, awaken said:

 

still don't know what you are talking about

I can tell... 

4 hours ago, awaken said:

 

I understand how you feel about not being able to read Chinese, 

Actually, I feel great. 

But thanks for caring 😁

11 hours ago, awaken said:

 

I am glad that you can realize that Xiao Zhoutian led by acquired consciousness is not the main path.

I believe most people who study nei dan shu is aware of that. 

11 hours ago, awaken said:

sXiao Zhoutian, driven by acquired consciousness, cannot produce the function of "evolution" by this method.

As far as I can tell, most people who practice beyond a beginner level knows this. 

11 hours ago, awaken said:

ot only can it not produce the function of "evolution", but also hinder the production of "evolution". 

And this. 

11 hours ago, awaken said:

Therefore, this kind of small Zhou Tian Gong method led by acquired consciousness should not only be practiced, but should even be completely abandoned. 

Quite a few agree on this as well. 

11 hours ago, awaken said:

Otherwise, it is difficult to practice the real Dan Dao.

Because they are not the same, and one has to release the acquired mind. 

Most seems to agree about this as well. 

On 2022-03-19 at 12:16 AM, Yueya said:

@awaken

But you are certainly correct, it is central to the teaching of neidan here. Indeed, it is “widely considered the main practice performed in the first stage of the Nanzong (Southern Lineage) codification of Neidan and in other varieties of Neidan”. 

 

Key term being "first stage". 

Tong rendu, clearing the ren and du mai. And not every method use the acquired mind (Chia-style) to do the job (should really cross-link to the other thread where this came up today. 

Seing newer posts on the subject, there seems to be some kind of hang-up on this. 

This can be seen in older threads on the subject, where for example the DaoDe group (WLP and the other lineage they taught) over and over again tried to explain that it was not the main, almighty method used. 

12 minutes ago, awaken said:

 

你這段文字也太英語了，透過google，我確實理解的也很有限，大概只有一半

 

Your text is also too English. Through google, I really understand very limited, only about half of it

Then we share the same problem. 😁 

12 minutes ago, awaken said:

 

These two books are the most fundamental alchemy scriptures.

 

脫離了這兩本的內容，都是很有問題的

 

Without the content of these two books, it is very problematic

Would have been easier if you translated the titles. 

12 minutes ago, awaken said:

 

『Truth to be told, one persons nei dan shu is the other persons "Bloody stupid practice". 』

 

看不懂這段在說什麼，為什麼一個人的內丹術是另外一個人的血腥愚蠢練習？

I don't understand what this paragraph is saying, why is one person's inner alchemy technique another person's bloody stupid practice?

That's an idiom, basically meaning that there is a disagreement when it comes to how to practice. 

And everyone likes his/her method.... 

12 minutes ago, awaken said:

 

內丹也不是基於反轉，我不知道你為什麼會講內丹是基於反轉

The inner alchemy is not based on reversal either, I don't know why you would say that the inner alchemy is based on reversal

Because it is sort of mentioned/alluded to in a classic text or two? 

"diandao" and "ni" are the terms that the term seems to originate from. 

If I get it right, you are lifting the old discussion about what a proper nei dan shu should be. 

Truth to be told, one persons nei dan shu is the other persons "Bloody stupid practice". 

While nei dan is based on reversal, which is not natural in the normal sense of the word, some methods are more contrieved than others. 

But which methods will allow us to Awaken to Reality? 

And which will not? 

I'm sorry to say, that there are so many specific terms in those texts that translate poorly, so the point you are trying to make is thoroughly lost. 

3 hours ago, awaken said:

 

I have no objection to focusing on the breath in the lower abdomen as a starting point, but it is a very obvious fact that obsessing on the breath can lead to an evolutionary obstacle.

Yes, it is an entry point, nothing more. 

28 minutes ago, Uncle Fester said:

this is now a mopai thread.

Add the material on thedaobuns, and it is flashback-time. 

8 hours ago, freeform said:

 How do you access the congenital channels? Is there an alchemical approach or more of a Neigong method (no obligation to answer that of course)

That might be depending on terminology. 

I would not call any approach alchemical until after the replenishing process has started, following the terminology described by Wang Mu. 

The method is a standing posture not unlike what Damo Mitchell calls wuji, but with more emphasis on the six channels rather than the lower abdominal area. Some of the principles seems to be the same though, so neigong would be an appropriate term. It leads, among other things, to something not unlike what Damo Mitchell describes in the book Heavenly Streams. 

To muddle the terminology a bit, the principles that are the focus in the method I practice are also used in the beginning of the alchemical process, but the postures are different and by then one has learned to access other aspects of energetics and awareness. 

6 hours ago, freeform said:

which allows it to move from the nerves deeper into the channel system. This is when you'll find people sitting or standing quietly - sometimes holding a mudra or chanting spontaneously. No movements... no shaking... no emotional reactions.

In the tradition I practice, we balance the expression of the emotions and regulate the congenital channels before this happens, and it is usually happening within a context where we, by proper positioning and mudras, gently encourage energy to move deeper. 

The movements are more of a swaying nature, and fade out when the tissues no longer overreacts to the increased flow. 

Flailing around for two hours would be a sign of incomplete or improper preparation in what I practice. 

But we are all shaped by the methods we utilize, so it is of no surprise that we do things different. 

Two consecutive hours of spontaneous movements?

That's a..... lot. 

And one needs a certain amount of space as well? 

So that one will not hurt oneself, or others? 

I wonder how well the translation works. The notion that only talanted people can move in to spontaneous movements must be an interesting choice by (Google translate?). 

As far as I can tell (IME and from other describing it), it can be triggered rather easily if it is the goal of ones practice (and I would say it feels different from when it starts truly on it's own).

The question is, when does it progress from spontaneous to habitual movement? 

That some that does this are taught that they are special, well, that is another matter. 

17 hours ago, almaxy said:

 

do you guys have any advice?

 /... ... /what should I do?

You have got some advice already here. 

IF you want to continue with this line of practice , I can guide you to a website where a group that has this as their main thing discuss the pros and cons with it, including showing what you did that might not have been such a good idea. 

They have at least one instructor as a member here, although not so active. 

Maybe there was a problem with one of the senses, the sense of direction one should get with a link? 

21 hours ago, Nungali said:

 

It links to a google search page  

38 minutes ago, dwai said:

Perhaps the Chinese word doesn’t directly translate to “law” in English either?

Most likely, the character used would have carried more meaning than that. 

Or a traditional facepalm? 

Or a spin-around? 

On 2022-03-11 at 8:41 AM, Lairg said:

 

That is not my view.  In any case there are many more than 5 senses:

That was taken directly from what you linked to. 

So, if your link doesn’t link to your view,....? 

23 hours ago, Lairg said:

 

 

For myself I associate electric blue with the 5 electricities that underpin the 7 planes of existence.

 

So the same electric blue is associated with the five different electricities that make us experience five different senses? 

4 hours ago, Iliketurtles said:

 

They seem to like to remove those who pipe up in defense of mo pai quite a bit more than the opposition or at least that is my biased perspective.

Ever done a content analysis of posts, to see if there is something in the content rather than amount that does the trick? 

3 hours ago, Pak_Satrio said:

 

Just need to add copper wire /... ... /

 

With scientists and recording equipment on standby

That's been done. 

Anti-inflammatory. 

Details in my ppd, physiology subforum. 

She usually reads the thread. 

6 hours ago, anshino23 said:

Google translate: 

/... ... /

If you use standing posture, the effect will of course be better than just sitting still, but if you also practice movement, the effect will be better than standing, but if you also practice movement outdoors, the effect will be better than indoor movement, but If you not only practice kung fu outdoors, but your kung fu is spontaneous, the effect will be even better.

Zifa gong? 

Isn't that supposed to last just for a period? 

26 minutes ago, liminal_luke said:

The thinking goes that if I abstain people will become more attracted to me -- and voila! 

Yes, a longer period of abstaining usually means "voila" 😁.