Zen Pig

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  1. Not disagreeing, but I kind of got to call shenanigans on this one. While I also rationalize shit, I try to be self reflective and call myself if i am making an excuse for just blabbing crap . I have to just own stuff if I see that I am making shit up in order to make my life choice or "karma" (what ever that is), seem fit. I also, get the hairs on my balls tingling when someone talks about "the difference between survival and death", which, while it might not be wrong, seems a bit fear based. just my two cents.
  2. Bingo! yes. (and I , being human, still get off talking about it, or talking down to it) go figure. life is grand.
  3. No offense guys, but this is the medieval argument of "how many angels can dance on the head of a pin"? question. we can pull shit out of our asses all day long, but in the end, until you or me are up against the wall of "now this shit is going down" it is all just jerking off. it might be fun, but it is not the real thing. LOL I remember the first time I got into a real knife fight with a guy that weighed close to 300 pounds, and had me up against a wall. all the shit I thought I could do went out the window. it's kind of like that. peace.
  4. well....... you might, but both you and me, and everyone else right now, would not be here. What if the titanic did not sink? once again, you, me, your mom, dad, grandpa. grandma would have never been born. consider how you got to be here, everything had to be just right, mom and dad, had to be in the perfect time, at the exact moment, in the exact place to fuck in the old dodge ram and have you. your dog or cat would not be here. so shoot Hitler, and maybe someone else would have been in Germany in the 1930's to lead the world in another path, we cannot imagine. I for one, love seeing lessons in my life. Seeing the interconnection to everything, and stop whining about what could be.
  5. False lineage narrative with “Mooji”

    yes, I have written about this in the past. I do think that many of these "bad guru's" might have started out with a real awakening experience or several, and started to teach with good intent. It seems to be human nature to let this kind of thing go to our heads, and we change due to the desire for power. I am sure the same thing would have happened to me, if I had chosen to walk down that road. like the old saying goes, "Man's got to know his limitations"
  6. I am fascinated at our human ability to create a belief system, or a guru who we worship. I am reminded of the 4 century BC statesman Demosthenes who said: "A Man is his own easiest dupe- For What he wishes to be true, He generally believes to be true". Back in the day, more than 20 years ago, when Eckhart Tolle wrote "The power of Now", which I read, and it did make a big impression on me to the extent that i dropped my original soto Zen, and started looking into the whole promise of "awakening" in the western fake neo-Advaita movement for about two years, until I started to see the manitic ego involved in it. I even use to listen to Mooji, until I got that itch on the back of my head that told me, "something is off about this guy". The last time I even looked at him was about a year or more ago, when I locked on one of his "satsangs" and he had this very young man, or teen who had laid his head on Mooji's lab during the entire "teaching'. Right then, I knew something was very wrong. Now I find this news, and to be honest, have not fact checked it, so it might just be someone trying to lamblast Mooji, but from what i have seen, it does have a ring of validity to it. Would be interested to know if anyone else got caught up in this time period. cheers. and Happy Friday.
  7. Buddhist Practices vs Taoist Practices

    Then what creates Mind?
  8. actually i have an undergraduate in physical chemistry, and retired from our local state university about a year ago............. so I have no problem with science. scientific methodology is a process of asking "what is it that we can know"?? this originates from the ancient Greeks who also asked the question, "can we ever know something for sure" or epistemology. This is the very reason in western science we say something is a "theory" instead of a "scientific fact" which is something that media, and non scientific true believers say. The purpose of saying that something is a theory, goes back to the original idea or question, "can we really know anything for sure"...... so a theory says. "This is what we know so far from observation, and reproduction in a laboratory environment, so we think this is the way this process goes, unless we get additional information that contradicts our results" This is the way scientific methodology was designed to work. But now days, we get folks who might have taken a science class in junior high or high school, forgot most of it, but have a fundamentalist "true believer" faith in science. So if one does there due diligence and questions long held ideas, they are accused of being "unscientific" where the reality of scientific investigation is to question everything. The late great MIT philosophy professor Huston Smith coined the term, "scientism" or the religious belief in science.
  9. Could be. I tend to agree in certain aspects of this comment. or maybe there is an "absolute subjective" truth. i personally think that a real "truth" would transcend both our subjective and objective scrutiny. but just my not knowing suggest that it might be deeper than we think it is
  10. just an example of using symbolic logic in the day to day world. and also, the subjective understanding of a tautology. Also, the "idea derive from that logic that declares that one apple has to be equal to another apple" is a direct result of attempting to use a tautology in the real world, so it comes from the equivalence inherent in the tautology. I'm not saying an apple has to equal another apple, the tautology construct is. In the day to day world, symbolic logic is a very rough road map at best. Mostly I am saying that the idea of a "Objective" truth is questionable. (of course if I said that "there is no objective truth", then this would be a kind of Russell's Paradox, where by I would be stating an objective truth as proof that there was no objective truth) LOL
  11. OK, this gets a bit weird, but a tautology is a logical truth, so to speak, like the statement A = A, which is intuitively true. by that, I mean if one takes the statement that A does not = A, that would be intuitively false. but if we look at these two statements, there is no real way to determine which statement is actually true or false. it is all a conditioned intuitively knowing, which is not objective. Lastly, If I say, A=A, which on the surface seems true, in the so called "real world", we cannot find any examples of this "truth". Such as replacing the symbolic A with an apple . so if i then say that Apple = Apple, while at first glance, seems to be an objective truth, is in fact not true, like we thought it was. after all, how can one apple ever equal another apple. one might be more red, one might taste a bit different, one might have a bruise on it........ and on and on. Even if one compares identical twins saying that Twin -= Twin, that also does not wash, as even identical twins have different finger prints. so in the day to day world, a tautology is just a subjective truth like everything else.
  12. Buddhist Practices vs Taoist Practices

    wow. yes, don't know how to respond to this. I am just a traveler, without a destination. so I have no idea if the road ends or goes on forever, maybe the monks are right, maybe not, maybe a little..
  13. good that you sussed this out by yourself. See the western origins to the search for what is true, or Epistemology. It is interesting that the origin of western rational "sciences' is developed on a foundation of the "three distinctions", and by the way, this description is a shit translation of the original Greek text. "The Greek word episteme is the root of the English word Epistemology. This philosophical term is commonly associated with the inquiry for truth and knowledge. Greek philosophers seeded the study, and from this cultivation of thought stems the growth of many sciences. The meaning of the word has three distinctions. First, epistemology can be the quest for true and scientific knowledge as opposed to opinion or belief. Secondly, reality is an organized body of thought. Lastly, sometimes referred to as the “first philosophy” epistemology is the understanding of the divine. Restated, epistemology has three focuses, a practical application, an applied science, and a theological approach.
  14. Buddhist Practices vs Taoist Practices

    yes, very true in my limited experience. thanks for the link
  15. Buddhist Practices vs Taoist Practices

    wow. don't know who these "advanced mediators" are, but from my experience, meditation, is a bridge to both the physical body,(focus breath work, hiking in the hills, etc) the earth, and everything unfolding in this moment. nothing is left out. don't go into a "mindless trance" just see thoughts as part of the whole, so thoughts are not good or bad, or no more or less important than this suchness of unfolding. very simple. nothing special. Folks who work meditation to "bless out" or become disconnected from this amazing life seem to have issues with fear, and avoidance, I think the cute neo non duality word is "spiritual bypassing" I call it fear to be alive.