Zen Pig

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  1. Not disagreeing, but I kind of got to call shenanigans on this one. While I also rationalize shit, I try to be self reflective and call myself if i am making an excuse for just blabbing crap . I have to just own stuff if I see that I am making shit up in order to make my life choice or "karma" (what ever that is), seem fit. I also, get the hairs on my balls tingling when someone talks about "the difference between survival and death", which, while it might not be wrong, seems a bit fear based. just my two cents.
  2. Bingo! yes. (and I , being human, still get off talking about it, or talking down to it) go figure. life is grand.
  3. No offense guys, but this is the medieval argument of "how many angels can dance on the head of a pin"? question. we can pull shit out of our asses all day long, but in the end, until you or me are up against the wall of "now this shit is going down" it is all just jerking off. it might be fun, but it is not the real thing. LOL I remember the first time I got into a real knife fight with a guy that weighed close to 300 pounds, and had me up against a wall. all the shit I thought I could do went out the window. it's kind of like that. peace.
  4. I am fascinated at our human ability to create a belief system, or a guru who we worship. I am reminded of the 4 century BC statesman Demosthenes who said: "A Man is his own easiest dupe- For What he wishes to be true, He generally believes to be true". Back in the day, more than 20 years ago, when Eckhart Tolle wrote "The power of Now", which I read, and it did make a big impression on me to the extent that i dropped my original soto Zen, and started looking into the whole promise of "awakening" in the western fake neo-Advaita movement for about two years, until I started to see the manitic ego involved in it. I even use to listen to Mooji, until I got that itch on the back of my head that told me, "something is off about this guy". The last time I even looked at him was about a year or more ago, when I locked on one of his "satsangs" and he had this very young man, or teen who had laid his head on Mooji's lab during the entire "teaching'. Right then, I knew something was very wrong. Now I find this news, and to be honest, have not fact checked it, so it might just be someone trying to lamblast Mooji, but from what i have seen, it does have a ring of validity to it. Would be interested to know if anyone else got caught up in this time period. cheers. and Happy Friday.
  5. well....... you might, but both you and me, and everyone else right now, would not be here. What if the titanic did not sink? once again, you, me, your mom, dad, grandpa. grandma would have never been born. consider how you got to be here, everything had to be just right, mom and dad, had to be in the perfect time, at the exact moment, in the exact place to fuck in the old dodge ram and have you. your dog or cat would not be here. so shoot Hitler, and maybe someone else would have been in Germany in the 1930's to lead the world in another path, we cannot imagine. I for one, love seeing lessons in my life. Seeing the interconnection to everything, and stop whining about what could be.
  6. False lineage narrative with “Mooji”

    yes, I have written about this in the past. I do think that many of these "bad guru's" might have started out with a real awakening experience or several, and started to teach with good intent. It seems to be human nature to let this kind of thing go to our heads, and we change due to the desire for power. I am sure the same thing would have happened to me, if I had chosen to walk down that road. like the old saying goes, "Man's got to know his limitations"
  7. Buddhist Practices vs Taoist Practices

    Then what creates Mind?
  8. Not throwing stones in my own glass house here, but I see more and more how conditioned we are by our social upbringing. I have discussed this before in a charming story of how Robert Thurman's Tibetan teacher told him that he did not need to meditate so much because as a pre-programmed westerner, he could never drop his conditioned world view in order to become enlightened. bet that was a real knee slapper for him. I see so many spiritual seekers, and so called "awakened or enlightened" folks who still hold the boolean "all or nothing" , "yes or no", "real, or unreal, world views. If something is not real, like a dream, we call it Illusion, or that it really does not exist. If something is Real, (like my tv remote or smart phone) LOL, then we say that "this is real, material, we can all see it and discuss it". But when I was younger, and had dreams where I did not know I was dreaming, I could sit with a group of people at a table, and we agreed that we were all there, maybe eating food, that I could taste, feel, and that world was as "real" as this world, until I awoke, and saw that it was now, "unreal" or "Just a dream". So my mind was and is preconditioned to believe all or nothing, real/unreal, right/wrong. Can something be both real and unreal at the same time? do the terms "real, unreal" make any sense? for that matter, do the terms, "right/wrong", good/bad make sense as a mental label.? I have seen very bad people do good things, and vice versa. I have seen dreams that I "knew" were real at the time, but then upon awaking, "Knew" that they were unreal. Maybe just letting go of these ideas and beliefs, and just viewing the universe, life, everything as it unfolds without making a mental label for them. doubt we can let go completely, but maybe a little at a time. who knows?
  9. actually i have an undergraduate in physical chemistry, and retired from our local state university about a year ago............. so I have no problem with science. scientific methodology is a process of asking "what is it that we can know"?? this originates from the ancient Greeks who also asked the question, "can we ever know something for sure" or epistemology. This is the very reason in western science we say something is a "theory" instead of a "scientific fact" which is something that media, and non scientific true believers say. The purpose of saying that something is a theory, goes back to the original idea or question, "can we really know anything for sure"...... so a theory says. "This is what we know so far from observation, and reproduction in a laboratory environment, so we think this is the way this process goes, unless we get additional information that contradicts our results" This is the way scientific methodology was designed to work. But now days, we get folks who might have taken a science class in junior high or high school, forgot most of it, but have a fundamentalist "true believer" faith in science. So if one does there due diligence and questions long held ideas, they are accused of being "unscientific" where the reality of scientific investigation is to question everything. The late great MIT philosophy professor Huston Smith coined the term, "scientism" or the religious belief in science.
  10. Could be. I tend to agree in certain aspects of this comment. or maybe there is an "absolute subjective" truth. i personally think that a real "truth" would transcend both our subjective and objective scrutiny. but just my not knowing suggest that it might be deeper than we think it is
  11. just an example of using symbolic logic in the day to day world. and also, the subjective understanding of a tautology. Also, the "idea derive from that logic that declares that one apple has to be equal to another apple" is a direct result of attempting to use a tautology in the real world, so it comes from the equivalence inherent in the tautology. I'm not saying an apple has to equal another apple, the tautology construct is. In the day to day world, symbolic logic is a very rough road map at best. Mostly I am saying that the idea of a "Objective" truth is questionable. (of course if I said that "there is no objective truth", then this would be a kind of Russell's Paradox, where by I would be stating an objective truth as proof that there was no objective truth) LOL
  12. OK, this gets a bit weird, but a tautology is a logical truth, so to speak, like the statement A = A, which is intuitively true. by that, I mean if one takes the statement that A does not = A, that would be intuitively false. but if we look at these two statements, there is no real way to determine which statement is actually true or false. it is all a conditioned intuitively knowing, which is not objective. Lastly, If I say, A=A, which on the surface seems true, in the so called "real world", we cannot find any examples of this "truth". Such as replacing the symbolic A with an apple . so if i then say that Apple = Apple, while at first glance, seems to be an objective truth, is in fact not true, like we thought it was. after all, how can one apple ever equal another apple. one might be more red, one might taste a bit different, one might have a bruise on it........ and on and on. Even if one compares identical twins saying that Twin -= Twin, that also does not wash, as even identical twins have different finger prints. so in the day to day world, a tautology is just a subjective truth like everything else.
  13. Buddhist Practices vs Taoist Practices

    wow. yes, don't know how to respond to this. I am just a traveler, without a destination. so I have no idea if the road ends or goes on forever, maybe the monks are right, maybe not, maybe a little..
  14. good that you sussed this out by yourself. See the western origins to the search for what is true, or Epistemology. It is interesting that the origin of western rational "sciences' is developed on a foundation of the "three distinctions", and by the way, this description is a shit translation of the original Greek text. "The Greek word episteme is the root of the English word Epistemology. This philosophical term is commonly associated with the inquiry for truth and knowledge. Greek philosophers seeded the study, and from this cultivation of thought stems the growth of many sciences. The meaning of the word has three distinctions. First, epistemology can be the quest for true and scientific knowledge as opposed to opinion or belief. Secondly, reality is an organized body of thought. Lastly, sometimes referred to as the “first philosophy” epistemology is the understanding of the divine. Restated, epistemology has three focuses, a practical application, an applied science, and a theological approach.
  15. Buddhist Practices vs Taoist Practices

    yes, very true in my limited experience. thanks for the link
  16. Buddhist Practices vs Taoist Practices

    wow. don't know who these "advanced mediators" are, but from my experience, meditation, is a bridge to both the physical body,(focus breath work, hiking in the hills, etc) the earth, and everything unfolding in this moment. nothing is left out. don't go into a "mindless trance" just see thoughts as part of the whole, so thoughts are not good or bad, or no more or less important than this suchness of unfolding. very simple. nothing special. Folks who work meditation to "bless out" or become disconnected from this amazing life seem to have issues with fear, and avoidance, I think the cute neo non duality word is "spiritual bypassing" I call it fear to be alive.
  17. Lust and demons?

    Wow. thank god that I am an ordinary person. dodged a bullet on that one. Buddha died, Lao Tzu died. Jesus Died. The idea that someone who does not fuck is special, is such hubris. maybe special as in short bus special. LOL. Good luck with all that.
  18. The Complete System

    short of what? we are all going to die. just like we were all born. if i worried about the "time i have left", I would probably be a depressed, despondent person. I could drop dead right now. writing this............ (wait for it)............ Ok, good for now, so far. Forgot who made this analogy, think it was the late Hippie Berkeley philosopher Allen Watts, (who probably stole it from some zen dude), but it goes something like: "We don't judge the quality of a dance from how long it last, and we don't judge a song for how long it plays, (because in that case , Iron Butterfly's In the godadavida would be the best song in the last 50 years) LOL. If i try to live as long as I could, I would miss out on living, because I would be doing so because I was fearful of death, and hence fearful of living, but that's just me. not trying to tell anyone what to do. just my two cents.
  19. good points about how words make life changes to others. kind of amazing how words can be powerful. But my original point of deciding what is real and unreal is dependent on our conditioned upbringing. Many people define "unreal" as "Have no mass and take up no space", which we "Know" is true and makes sense, but If I told someone 150 years ago, that "waves" that are everywhere, travel in the vacuum of space, and have no mass or take up no volume are "real" they would laugh in my face and think I was insane. Of course now days, we all "Know" that these waves are real because we are taught that they are real. If i were to ask 100 people on the street, in today's "modern" world, "how does the wireless internet travel through empty space to our phones"? ...... I will be optimistic and say that only 99 out of the 100 would not have a clue. most would just say, "because we are taught that they do". I could even walk up to 100 people in the street and ask, "can you prove to me that the earth is not flat".......... how many could? not by saying, "this is what everyone is taught", but really show me that the earth is round using simple plane geometry like the Greeks did 3000 years ago. The point that I am probably not making very well, is how we think we "know" something, when we were really just conditioned to accept or believe something. how weird is that? thanks for the great comment.
  20. The Complete System

    you do know what a metaphor is? From my experience in MA, when I start to learn a new system. I don't go to the sensei or sufu, and try to show them "how it is done", or what my experience is, or how i would do a technique., (my cup is full of my own self ego), But I "empty my cup", and know that I just want to learn there system. so I learn it, but that does not mean, that once I see and learn what they are teaching that I don't see things I would not do, or attempt, but at some point the new system , and what I have learned in the past kind of merge, work out, and I walk away having learned a new way to look at life, MA , techniques. I don't go into a new system being a brainless twit, but rather, just with an open, learning inquiring mind. Easy Peasy Leon Squezy.
  21. yes, actually had a couple of these "voices" which , like you say, is not a verbal voice, but something we cannot ignore if we wanted to.
  22. Discussion this am with real person. Today's modern spiritual teacher, (well,,, a good percentage of them), have probably had, at some time in there lives, some kind of profound seeing or knowing, or "ah-ha" moment where what they thought they were, the world was, life was, fundamentally changed for a brief period of time. This kind of direct experience is nothing special, in my experience, and with folks who have a daily long term meditation practice. Like most people, this kind of experience is transforming, but soon our thinking mind kicks back in attempting to analyze just what happened, and whether or not we can "make" it happen again. Depending on our own personality, we might spend years trying to get that initial experience back, without success, until we just give up and stop trying, and then many will again have deeper and more interesting openings into this suchness of life. once again, our thinking mind, our ego pop's back up , and we now think, "wow, I have had several amazing experiences, I must tell others about this, maybe become a teacher so I can help others see what I saw" - so good, so far....... Now this person, who use to just go sit somewhere, or have there own spiritual practice is now teaching other folks, many of whom , come to this teacher with deep seated issues, deep insecurity, a need to belong, or a need to have someone to follow. The new spiritual teacher has given up his/her job, and says, "well, in order to help as many people as I can, i have to charge money so I can do this full time"........ Now this teacher has a career, so now, the original teaching of "just drop all ideas about what you think you want or need and just go sit" is to simple because the new seekers need to hear talk, hear about experiences, hear things that will make them feel good. have someone to follow, to believe in. Many of these seekers who are depending on this new teacher to "Make there life ok" now fluff up the new teachers ass, with worship, sex favors, lots of money, which at this point the new teacher is now the old teacher, and has rationalized that he/she is sill helping these poor students by just his/her spiritual energy or power. seekers spend thousands on retreats, books, and never ending arguing about the "true way to become enlightened, immortal, awakened, and the original practice, just like the sitting cushion that was purchased years ago, are both sitting in a closet collecting dust. Amazing times.
  23. Lineages- old and new

    hmmmmmm. so i take it that you want all of us to know that you are awakened? Just pulling you non-existent, non-ego leg. I have also had experiences that transcend description, but just seeing the connection to everything, no gaps, and the amazing wonder of it all is as close as i can come to speaking of it. With that said, I don't have a fucking clue what the term, or word "awakening" means. For me, it is a label folks put on themselves or the so called "spiritual teachers" that gives them a "special" standing in the spiritual community, (such as it is), that says, "I made it, now I know shit". LOL Been at this cat and pony show for some time, talked to adyashanti, and others, and never seen anyone who "destroyed ego". Maybe someone has, but then again, they are probably not posting on these kinds of links and talking through there asses like I am right now. Ego is as much a part of the human experience, (at least for me) as eating, shitting, laughing, crying and everything else that makes us human. For me, it is just that this so called ego, doesn't have the power I once gave it. while it is still a part of me, it is not in the drivers seat, but others experiences could be very different. who knows.
  24. Edward Selim Michael - The Law of Attention

    Sounds like a great book. and I like what your spiritual mentor said.
  25. The Evolution of a spiritual douche bag

    yes. this is also my experience, but of course I am not a teacher. Some of the most vocal, folks who tell others what awaking is, do not have a spiritual practice, a daily practice of meditation, or some other form of practice for a couple of hours a day, every day. Not that meditation will cause someone to awaken, but it seems like it greases the wheel.