kyoji

So this site is simply a safe space for people to air out whatever they want, with little to no talk of cultivation anymore… got it. earl was actually given some sound advice by blue. we are dealing with grown adults who prefer being pandered to vs given methods that would help said condition. This is the same dynamic as those who are “ mental health advocates” all these types actually promote is the normalization of disease and degeneracy… but once a friend comes to the table with actionable steps and methods to ameliorate mental condition, the wounded bird identity only wants to remain victimized but be heard. this is completely out of line with the Promethean spirit of the arts that were once discussed here.

Alt facts... Good lord this place has gone down hill.

I saw this quote from Camus today (check picture at bottom of this post) , and I started thinking about it for a while, and I started conceptualizing Kamma itself as Punisher / Teacher. I am pretty sure it veers away from Camus’ point, but I’m gonna pour out some of my inner ramblings and thoughts here anyways in hopes it stirs something up In some of you lovely people here at TDB. Soooooo... The mind that we have to live with is in some sense, the fruit of all of our actions. This is why we are ourselves are our own punishers / punishment. No outsourcing to a god OR fellow man is even required as far as I am concerned. It is much easier albeit, to shake our fists at the sky pretending the we had no part to play in the dramas of our lives , or in the state of mind we live with, preferring to instead blame it on randomness, fate, god.... the list goes on.. Why a good portion of the religious feel the need to point fingers on moral subjects is beyond me... and why people on the other side would point back at the religious, and fight tooth and nail over trivialities surrounding morality seems completely absurd to me, and like a colossal waste of time / life. Let Kamma (Karma) do it’s thing! people will be judged accordingly by the results of their actions alone, isn’t it so ? This sort of “justice“ let’s say might not be as swift as you feel a facebook comment section battle, or some kind of heated altercation is, but I think it is in some sense a much sweeter, and truer form of Justice than the form you think you serve from having opinions/convictions, that you spew venomously at your opposition. This world is not at all random, yet our feeble human minds inability to order it makes it feel very chaotic at times. I think we have all experienced this type of dis-order on some level. Your time is much better spent focussing on yourself and figuring out how to live your life skillfully than it is stuck judging everyone else but yourself. You don’t even know how to live your life the right way , what makes you think you can figure out somebody elses well ? I don’t think I would have ever changed my ways for any god I was just told to believe in on blind faith, or even at the outrage of my fellow man. What it took for me to change my ways was all of the negative Kamma i received from past transgressions and misdeeds, which led me to a period of complete suffering and pain, until I could no longer live with it. It was the birth of the “why?” An attention to detail needed to develop, paired with a brutal honesty about my actions and there affect on the life of myself and “others”. This could only come about because of the mistakes I made , leading to this immense suffering, which progressed into a need to understand the suffering in order to bring it to its end. I Studied the past to understand the present, and worked with the present to dictate and pave the future towards a more skillful and harmonious way of being. When we are judging morally , is it because we want to be right and feel righteous ? Or is it because you want to help somebody in some way shape or form, so that they do not have to live with the terrible consequences of their actions ? If it is the latter, it you cannot dissuade someone from wrong doings in an easy going and loving way, let them make their mistakes. Do not hold onto anger or resentment for this person, it is not good for them , and it is certainly not for yourself. Let Kamma kick their ass and mop the floor with them , it is the only way some people learn.. it was the only way for me anyways. Anyways that is enough rambling for now. Now it’s your guys’ turn !!! Hoping to get some interesting dialogue going. I hope this was coherent and clear, in a bit of a funny head space today so I’m hoping this did not come out as too all over your brother in dao, kyoji

Are you two beyond becoming? @old3bob @stirling

Perception is always limited. Idk, the Jhanas are pretty darn repeatable. Of course it was always there... But it means jack shit to one, if one never finds it.

"I" like that you're welcome, m'friend.

but does this seeing mean that self must be abandoned just because it is temporary, and not lacking ultimate reality?

It seems to me to be a repeatable experience, and the methods are few.. However, no I cannot say with absolute certainty that I will have that same experience again, although I could certainly recognize it should I. I didn't ask, but I appreciate you stimulating thought/conversation nonetheless Hmm, I do find your thoughts hard to follow 100% , so figure me in my novice ways. Is movement not always present as well? Is the seed of one always contained in the other ? (i.e. the taiji? )

It seems to me that a lot of time voidness and emptiness do indeed get confused for one another... I guess it mostly just depends on context, but what doesn't !!! I saw the emptiness ( I think/believe) in my fleeting glimpse, and I can only conceptualize it after the fact as the all ground of everything in it's unmanifest form, and when the light entered myriad things were born of it. I don't think that makes the realm of the manifest any less real than the ground it emerges from. This is all I can offer further on this specific subject, and I don't know if this remark stays on topic or not. Language is tricky.

I'm not sure I follow really. Is this similar to the idea of two truths, the ultimate and the conventional, and not leaning towards one extremity/ the four extremes? Where is your silence while engaged in thought? Where is your stillness when in motion?

Is it weird to believe in a personal will, and complete determinism at the same time? @old3bob @steve @stirling Is the skill in which we use, adapt, and react to such a force important just the same as our perspective?

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Shoshin (初心) or Beginners Mind was the most important thing for me to cultivate.. For the expert, the possibilities are not many, whereas for the beginner they are aplenty.

Elucidate ? are you underhandedly calling me nothing but a result of cause and effect, without any imperial self? I would myself consider that to only be half true!

what do you mean by "our concept of human justice"? Ahah, this post o'mine feels like it was from another life. Yet, I agree with the sentiment almost more today than I did when I first posted it. Some people just do not learn via collective knowledge very well, and need to feel scorched finger tips in order to not touch hot embers. Of course, even the sensation of burning flesh is not enough for some. It is funny how many people are complaining about a lack of good teachers out there.. I feel like what is really lacking are all the good students. We need less teacher training, and more training to be a good student.

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I just can't imagine that this attitude is very conducive to development long term, although to an extent I understand what you are pointing out about practice not being confined to the cushion... Yet I don't see how that is an apt excuse for all of the name calling and trolling... Can we try to stick to talking about what is skillful? If you are at the level of attainment you say you are, which i cannot tell for myself, I am sure you have enough discernment to realize how trivial and useless the discussions you're partaking in here are... It is a waste, but Surely you know this.. Be better than that!

why not dedicate the squandered energy to more practice and less nit picking?

let's fix that, then!

Well then I guess we will all have to start getting along with eachother.

No I do not make it here very often.... Enjoy your time until he is back. I have no goodies for you, troll. Be well.

I am honestly pretty split down the middle on whether i'm right or not, but i think GS might be doing a really job of trolling this whole site. Good by a trolls standards, it is not my cup of tea, but he has done a good job of getting a rise out a bunch of us. I would just stop adding fuel to the proverbial shit fire.. unless you're having fun with him ahaha. I think he might just be having his way with a whole lot of the other bums here. There are patterns he seems to follow that if you call out a flaw of his behaviours, he is actually just overdoing and overexpressing that exact same defect in the following post... If that makes sense. Anyways, I don't think this guy is as dumb as he seems, I think he's just a bored troll that we need to starve to death..... Or maybe Sean could just delete him from TDB existence @sean

“Get beyond love and grief: exist for the good of Man.” -Musashi