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  1. Posted · Edited by moment

    1 hour ago, Nungali said:

    ..... more about this to come  in the little article I am working on .... gotta scoot into town for training  ( nearly forgot ! ... its Saturday ! )

    Saturday!  You must be a long ways away from me.  It is 4pm Friday here in the Pacific N.W.

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  2. Posted · Edited by moment

    5 hours ago, Marblehead said:

    And I suppose that I should mention that I have to give Nietzsche credit for introducing me to Zoroastrianism through his book "Thus Spoke Zarathustra".

     

     

     

     

     

    I just got Grahm Parkes' translation for $3.99 on Ebay with free shipping  from Thrift books. cool, cool.

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    5 hours ago, Marblehead said:

    And I suppose that I should mention that I have to give Nietzsche credit for introducing me to Zoroastrianism through his book "Thus Spoke Zarathustra".

     

     

     

     

    Thank you, Marblehead.  I am going to check that out.

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    3 minutes ago, Marblehead said:

    Yes, I think that as a result of the information Nungali is presenting we find that the roots of Zoroastrianism reach back much further than Zarathustra himself.

     

    I have an attachment to Zoroastrianism because it is the one religion that states specifically that God created mad with free will.  And this free will allows us, each individual, to make choices in our life.  How Taoist is that?

     

    I agree.  You saw this quote before:   "With an open mind, seek and listen to all the highest ideals. Consider the most enlightened thoughts. Then choose your path, person by person, each for oneself." --Zoroaster

     I apologize for the cut and paste coming in so bold.

     

    That is so much what much of this site is about.  Learning and figuring out what is best individually.  Zoroaster was so far ahead of his time.  He was amazing.

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  5. Posted · Edited by moment

    11 hours ago, Nungali said:

     

    Well, they seem some copied and pasted  vague comparative stats ...what do you want education with ?

     

    On the first part of your comment, obviously, that was what it was intended to be. You need not worry about the education part though, you have been doing very well on that and I thank you for asking.I also thank you for all of your above in this thread. I appreciated this line of yours: "One never knows  perhaps the 'shining radiant being'' that communicated all this to him was a metaphorical flattery ?"  I suspect that has happened often through out history in all things religious.

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  6. Posted · Edited by moment

    Please understand, this is very much generalities to start dialog. I am hoping that those much more learned will now start educating me.

     
      Buddhism Zoroastrianism
      Buddhism Zoroastrianism
    Place of worship Buddhist monasteries, temples, shrines. Dar-e Mehr (Persian) or Agiyari (Gujarati) or Fire temple
    Practices Practices of the Threefold Training: Virtue, Concentration, and Wisdom, a.k.a the Noble Eightfold Path. Fire is used in Zoroastrian worship? Zoroastrians also pray 5 times a day. 
    Place of origin Indian Subcontinent Persia (Iran)
    Goal of religion To attain enlightenment and be released from the cycle of rebirth and death, thus attaining Nirvana. To serve God, by good deeds towards others. To acquire and cultivate divine attributes, particularly “ good mind and righteousness; to elevate themselves in harmony with God and to listen to God’s guiding voice within them.
    Belief of God The idea of an omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent creator is rejected by Buddhists. The Buddha himself refuted the theistic argument that the universe was created by a self-conscious, personal God. One main God.
    Use of statues and pictures Common Permitted, there are several drawings regarding Prophet Zoroaster and symbolic images of God (Ahura Mazda).
    Followers Buddhists Zoroastrians.
    Founder Gautama Buddha (born as Prince Siddhartha) Zarathustra Haechataspa Spitama or Zoroaster (Greek) or Zartosht (Parsi)
    Means of Salvation Following the Noble Eightfold Path. Good thoughts, good words, and good deeds.
    Scriptures Tripitaka The Zend Avesta.
    Human Nature Ignorance, as all sentient beings. In the Buddhist texts, it is seen that when Gautama, after his awakening, was asked whether he was a normal human being, he replied, "No". equal ability to do good or evil.
         
    Literal Meaning Buddhists are those who follow the teachings of the Buddha in order to become like the Buddha. Follower of Zoroaster.
         
         
    Life after death Rebirth is one of the central beliefs of Buddhism. We are in an endless cycle of birth, death and re-birth, which can only be broken by attaining nirvana. Attaining nirvana is the only way to escape suffering permanently. Eternal life in Heaven, or in Hell.
         
         
    Population 300-350 million. Approx. 100,000 Zoroastrians in the world.
    Time of origin 2,500 years ago, circa 563 B.C.E. (Before Common Era) 600 B.C.E.
    Concept of Deity Subject to debate Zoroaster proclaimed that all of the Iranian daevas were bad spirits and deserved no worship. These "bad" spirits were created by Angra Mainyu, the hostile and evil spirit. The existence of Angra Mainyu was the source of all sin and misery in the universe. Zoroaster claimed that Ahura Mazda was not an omnipotent God, but used the aid of humans in the cosmic struggle against Angra Mainyu. Nonetheless, Ahura Mazda is Angra Mainyu's superior, not his equal.
       
         
         
       
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  10. Posted · Edited by moment

    1 hour ago, Rocky Lionmouth said:

    I don’t think someone who mistreats somebody else, no matter the degree of violence used, is giving the gift of toughening that person up.

     

    If you have scars you have healed, if you have experiences and can exchange them from past tense baggage to present and future currency that is work you do for you. Being thankful for having gotten through stuff and to have had ones strenght and resilience confirmed by another, be it in positive or negative reflection, is paramount. Dont know if it sounds contraddictory but yeah...

    Thats you giving yourself high esteem, imho.

     

    Not really looking to argue a point, i’m just saying that showing gratitude towards someone who has made no effort to deserve it is generoisty and killing them with kindness, to their face. Feeling gratitude towards an abuser for their abuse because of what it has led to seems like running around in a circle. Personally, ok, no judgement, i’m just calling it out from my own experiences.

    I’ll never be grateful for the stuff that was done to me by others, my challenge is remembering these people were incapable of doing otherwise and never forgetting frugality and utilize what i seem to carry around still. If i’m keeping it around it’s either to be processed or already under way in transformation to treasurehood.

    Here’s what i think: what one suffers to shed is slag, treasure is kept effortlessly because of its refined nature, like extracting gold from stuff.

     

     

     

    I was brought to the conclusion through meditation and training that hate, anger, depression, anxiety and ptsd were holding me back.  I still have little twinges now and then but, I now just automatically let them pass through me and they are quickly gone.  Not being a saint though, I have to admit a little satisfaction in the medical report-that my stepfather probably laid dying for approximately twelve hours alone on the floor of his bathroom before he finally passed

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    6 hours ago, Starjumper said:

     

    I couldn't find the quote you are referring to, so I'll just assume you are talking about experiencing what is being called this dark night of the soul.

     

    Whether people seek out the darkness could be possible, I just want to address the concept of "how hard the ride is going to be".

     

    Well It doesn't need to be so hard, it is harder at the beginning, but then you can get used to it.  The attitude that goes well with this process of cultivation is (after the feeling of remorse) "I don't really give a damn about this little emotional hurt I'm having" and "A little bit of pain never hurt anyone".  Just a big breath, sigh, and let it go.

     

    It is a contextual thing. I was tortured virtually everyday of the first ten years of my life by a true sadist (stepfather pulled out my fingernails with pliars, crushed my kittens skull, beat me every day)  I know where hell is.  I have been in its' bowels.  So, the first three or four years of subconscious cleansing (and you and I know that means bringing it to the surface and letting it go) for me was a hell of a process. Luckily, you and I had world class teachers, that helps a lot.  But, I agree with you, it gets easier if you stick with it.  Now, I am very thankful of what I have learned and earned and been given and it just keeps getting better. 

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  13. Posted

    On 4/9/2018 at 9:01 PM, Bindi said:

    But no one willingly goes out to seek it, take my word for it."  - Anthony Damiani

     

    It is not true. People do willingly seek it out.  They just underestimate how hard of a ride it is going to be.

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  25. Posted

    9 hours ago, JsBach said:

    Hi all

     

    I am very happy to be here but I am full of questions and doubts. I was hoping someone can help me on this journey.

     

    1) Where should I start?

    2) How do I cultivate Jing, chi and shen?

    3) Do I have to be celibate?

    4) If I am sexually active, can I still conserve my Jing? How?

    5) Where do I find a Master to learn from? Does it has to be in person or can it be online?

    6) I live in New Zealand, anyone here as well?

     

    As you can see I am very lost, any help would be greatly appreciated!

     

    Thank you

     

    Welcome to DB.  You ask a lot of questions that will get you many different and controversial answers. Research, for yourself, all of those questions on the site here and the answers will become more balanced for you.  Good hunting.

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