moment

11 hours ago, welkin said:

 

No points actually made or spoken to. Only a pointless game being played in their own mind that never translates into reality. Stuck in the mind of theatre.

 

Oh yes, I am so interested in this theater of which you speak.  Please, help me out with your view of what reality is, and also theatre of the mind.  You talk with such assuredness, that I just can't wait!

21 hours ago, welkin said:

There is blame for the moderators, yet no responsibility taken for yourselves as a community. It doesn't take a genius to see that certain acts are wrong and harmful. And if you don't see that, then the level of perspective is way too low. Without the moderators, the community would sink itself into the ground, not because there is a lack of moderators, but because the community has proved that they can't hold themselves accountable for what they allow to occur within it. Through lack of voicing any opinion against others' wrong acts.

 

I haven't seen Earl Grey's posts on threads elsewhere, only my own. So i can't comment on those. Personally, i don't think he needs to get suspended based of my interactions with him. Whether he's getting banned mostly for other threads, that's out of my hands.

 

When people say that the community looks like a representation of the much bigger world, yeah i would say that's accurate. And yet why is that even an accepted observation. How can it be that community for the purpose of development and cultivation is a reflection of the supposed outside less developed world. That means there's very little difference between the two at the end of the day. It proves knowledge itself does not mean development or consciousness, or that one's own peace without caring the peace of another is enough to create a stronger maybe never before seen community. There are moments where we should care for more than just ourselves, that to create peace you sometimes need to break your own perceived idea of peace, which may not even be actual peace in the first place. But of mix of greed and something else.

 

Blaming authority as to why certain people are suspended or jailed, etc. Instead of calling out what's wrong, keeping eachother accountable in the first place is exactly what goes on everywhere else. Taught to rely on a specific authority role instead of putting the responsibility on ourselves.

 

I say bring Earl Grey back or at least cut the ban much shorter. Pardon him with the agreement of the community realizing it's condoning that behavior in the first place and the reason for the ban. Next time it happens, there should be no reason to doubt for the suspension and the community should just blame themselves. And if they don't they don't think they're condoning anything wrong, then man.. there's a lot to say about what's justified around here.

 

Why do i defend in Earl Grey coming back? Because at the end of the day i know those actions have rooted reasons that he may not be aware of. Just as i have my own. We're all to blame than just he or the moderators. The idea that each person is responsible for their own actions is false. It's funny how there is a preaching of how we're all one, yet on the basis of how we act we just say each is responsible for themselves. Yet there is so much influence created upon eachother just based on interactions, hierarchy, friendships, society, etc.

 

I also defend him because i know that  not even so deep down, he's not a bad person. He has helped me when i needed it. Whether or not he or other people have hidden agendas here is another thing. Those agendas will be met by their own consequence. But if one looks for the positive while trying to avoid being cynical, then forgiveness is possible here.

 

60 days is a long time. And just as others have stated. For some, the community is a very important part of their lives.

 

I say bring him back, and next time it happens there should no question about the consequence. As it should be realized at that point that it is only in the communities best interest.

 

 

Welkin, you post here like Earl is your friend, or that you actually like him, please explain how and when that happened or at least explain your view of fairness.  Mind you now,  this is just a friendly examination of current events and where you actually are at?

15 hours ago, liminal_luke said:

 

I appreciate your post Welkin.  Personally, I don´t want to shorten Earl´s suspension but you make a lot of great points.

How far out of your comfort zone have you truly gotten, Lim?

20 hours ago, Apech said:

First a request : please can we have more threads about Early Grey - his banning, his unbanning, his crimes and his innocence - because this is the subject in which we must consume ourselves for all time.

 

Nothing is more fascinating than going round and round the same subject endlessly seeking some kind of eternal and immutable truth.  The moderators must be infallible, like the Pope, and their every decision held up to measure against the universal and undying light of the Logos to see that it is perfect.  This is how we must spend our time, for if we don't, mountains shall crash into the sea and we shall cease to be, eventually.

 

Is not TDBs the very centre of the cosmos and does not the fiery sun revolve around it?  Let us erect the pillars of our certainty, with unshakable resolve, vault the heavens to the welkins infinite breadth and height, so that they may say, these truly are the bums of the Dao.  And no one shall doubt it.

 

 

 

 

You are vey clever and funny.  I enjoy you even though you have become so predictable.  If a moderator shot someone on fifth avenue,  (New York City)  would you say anything negative about it?

On 9/21/2020 at 5:50 PM, EmeraldHead said:

Earl Grey has a habit of putting people or things he doesn't like OFF/DOWN! He would throw a lot of people out of this forum and impose some serious rules if he could. He seems to be a stable person by mundane standards but really he seems like Aladeen the dictator in playing games with strangers.

Some of the worst sujective extrapolation I have ever seen!  You must have an agenda, please explain it to us!

Dark Side

On 9/21/2020 at 7:18 PM, liminal_luke said:

@moment

 

Here´s a brief excerpt from an Earl Grey post in the Mona Lisa thread I find problematic.

 

If your ego matched your skill, you'd be quiet. 

 

If your actions matched your words, you'd be quiet. 

 

If you knew what's good for you, you'd be quiet. 

 

Can you imagine yourself writing these words?  Does the tone feel respectful or supportive or constructive in any way?  If a member habitually took such a stance vis a vis other members and you were a mod, would you let it go?

 

 

Yet; very taoistic! Let us not stretch here, because we have a distaste for the confrontational,  there must be a balance.

6 minutes ago, steve said:

 

Why is that?

Comparing EG supporters to Trump supporters?  BTW, I see the possibilities just fine!

You are not dense, so I have to believe you are leading me on, so why would you do that?

Oh well, it is about time to move on.

6 minutes ago, steve said:

 

If you would like to see how personal takedowns are being defined here, search on Earl Grey’s content. He can’t help himself, it seems. It is pervasive. His time here is a masterclass...  Maybe it’s just method acting, I don’t know... Both of welkin’s recent threads, Earl’s very recent, and hidden by him, takedown of someone asking simple questions in the Cultivator’s Club. Note to self - Maybe I’ll unhide that for educational purposes. 

 

If you can’t see the problem with Earl here for yourself my words won’t help. Maybe a little like the Trump problem in the US, some see him as a problem, some as a friend, some as a leader. No one can help the other to see a different possibility. Five mods agree it’s a problem for the forum.

 

You can all blow it up or move on. I’m tired of discussing Earl. I really tried to understand him and I think I do, but his poor treatment of others, especially the vulnerable, is finished here.

 

And shockingly, he’s got yet another chance...

ttfn 

"If you can’t see the problem with Earl here for yourself my words won’t help. Maybe a little like the Trump problem in the US, some see him as a problem, some as a friend, some as a leader. No one can help the other to see a different possibility."

What a cheap shot!

8 minutes ago, Nungali said:

... posted this before I read the thread above

 

Wow!  Within minutes, of this thread going up!

I know the average age of regulars is fairly old, but it is starting to feel like an old people's place now.

This being said by an old man!  LOL

YES!

I guess Earl Grey was reported for being confrontational  on the thread "Mona Lisa mark under lip".

If people have the postings handy, that could be worthy of this uproar, please talk about it here.

@cheya 

@ilumairen

2020

precocious

@Apech

Apech mentioned this in another thread where this would have been inappropriate.

This was released by Disney in 1946 where all of the animation had to be drawn on thousands of flashcards.

Allie Wrubel 

The map is not the terrain!

sleep awakened

Petrarch: I confess that my body has always been a burden every time I think of myself; but when I cast my eyes on the unwieldiness of other people's bodies, I acknowledge that I have a fairly obedient slave. 

St. Augustine: As to your body, of what do you complain? 

Petrarch: Of that which most other people complain. I charge it with being mortal, with implicating me in its sufferings, loading me with its burdens, asking me to sleep when my soul is awake, and subjecting me to other human necessities which it would be too tedious to go through.

St. Augustine: Calm yourself, and remember you are a man.

confounded

Why?