Just found this if this helps:

Thanks everyone for your comments. I guess we can bring many chapters that talk about something particular on those made up statements. I find it confusing and misleading. Letting them get credit for something that doesn't validate a way of thinking or cultivating the Dao, is a way for them to make money and be accepted. I think a Daoist would say not to worry. My only concern for someone who's interested in Daoism or the DDJ is to make the study or learning more difficult.

On 1/14/2020 at 10:27 AM, Nintendao said:

I looked up the source credited at the end of the video
"The Four Rules Of Living According To Lao Tzu By Matt Caron"
http://blog.sivanaspirit.com/sp-gn-rules-of-living-lao-tzu/

 

So ya that guy smells about as Taosist as a box of organic hemp seed granola and sandalwood incense. Googling the exact wording of each alleged quote brings up a barrage of those memey looking wallpapers with text over some random tranquil scenery. Devoid of any leads as to who actually translated/interpreted what in that particular way.

 

Except for number three. That one is literally from O magazine by Oprah Winfrey!

 

 

Thanks for sharing, I found the same information, do anyone see anything of those  in the DDJ?

I guess bottom line is another made up idea that doesn't exist in the DDJ or just some ideas and they make up whatever people want and as usual, the web is about selling, selling whatever you want

1 hour ago, rideforever said:

This is very interesting because it is fake. 

 

 

That's not the reason why I posted it, it is to know where did they get that information, which book, is it in the DDJ? Or is it from Chinese sources?

Thanks, not really interested in the video itself but where do they get all that? Where in the book says all that? What part of the DDJ I can find all that?

1 hour ago, liminal_luke said:

I wonder about the idea of imagining an ideal life and the related task of goal-setting.  It´s January and as usual I´m big into my New Year´s resolutions.  I don´t always (ok, ever) keep my New Year´s resolutions but I always enjoy making them.  

 

Here´s my question: Would my ideal self be someone who imagined an ideal life and took constant steps towards manifesting that life?  Or is my ideal self more of a go-with-the-flow kind of guy?  Is there something about the striving-process that is itself inimical to the "ideal life" I´m striving for?

My friend, nobody knows, we never tell the truth not even to ourselves

I was watching this Youtube video and it made me wonder, is this Daoist thinking or are those 4 rules in the book of the elder Lao? If someone knows, could you be kind to give the references, I sincerely appreciate it. Thanks

I always wonder why do we have to do as we are told to have a dream, have a job, do like everyone else and at the end, we all end the same way like everyone else. Are we conditioned to do like everyone else, have a job to pay bills and if you make enough money then work, work to pay high mortgages and pretend to live the great life. I always wonder. Last year, I took care of elders, some suffering dementia others different ailments and then did Uber to realize, why all this to end up in a misery life that nobody wants but we won't have control. Pretending living the moment having a blast whether you have money or no money, you pay the price of not taking care of yourself. Where is the ideal life? Does that exist?

2 hours ago, SirPalomides said:

經 (Jing) is variously translated as classic, scripture, book, etc. It is used in all kinds of texts. For example the Buddhist Heart Sutra is the Xinjing. Confucian classics like the classic of poetry (shijing)and book of filial piety (xiaojing) also use this same word (jing). Some non-religious texts also use the term. It is not a borrowing from Buddhism. I don’t know where you get this information because it’s not accurate.

 

Tons of Daoist texts have this name, eg the Taiping Jing, Qingjing jing, Huangting Jing, Yinfu jing etc.  I don’t know what Chinese sources you’re searching but if you had an electronic version of the Daoist canon the word 經 would come up a gajillion times.

Maybe I wasn't clear, I was talking about Daoist texts where the only I found is 文始真經 - Wen Shi Zhen Jing, all others have a name or surname. The ones you mentioned are later texts or post Hand documents as far as I can understand

I checked on Wikipedia and found this:

The title "Daodejing", with its status as a classic, was only first applied from the reign of Emperor Jing of Han (157-141 BCE) onward.^[16] Other titles of the work include the honorific "Sutra (or "Perfect Scripture") of the Way and Its Power" (Daode Zhenjing) and the descriptive "5,000-Character Classic" (Wuqian Wen).

Indeed, every time I check a Chinese source (no I am not an expert and don't consider myself expert in reading Classical Chinese or literary Chinese), I don't see the name of scripture in many texts. I can't remember where I read but the reason seems to be because they were in competition of Buddhist scriptures where they have translated scriptures jing in Chinese.

Just now, ilumairen said:

 

Here's a link to the thread:

 

 

Thanks so much, I appreciate it.

Do we know why the DDJ has the jing=scripture whereas other books don't have the scripture. Is it a Buddhist competition to use that ending for the book as it seems Chinese talk more more as Laozi for the book. Any ideas or information?

Thanks, and sorry my ignorance what's PPJ in this forum?

I still don't know when Jim died.

Is there an obituary for Jim? I didn't know him and he was very kind when I joined TDB and liked his comments and reflections. Thanks

Dawei, thanks so much for the explanation. It does make sense and very helpful. I am reading the DDJ from his comic book and I find it interesting. Not sure if the videos on Youtube are the same or different??

16 hours ago, dawei said:

 

 

Whatever your inclination, I do recommend them.  Very cheap used books. 

Could you tell more what do you like about those translations or the work done by the author? I am curious to see your interpretation about his interpretations on all those books. Thanks.

On 12/1/2019 at 9:44 AM, lrn2livorlive2lrn said:

wang fuzhi understanding and my understanding of what zhuangzi was saying are pretty congruent. Good to know

 

I wish humans default to the way, but we seem to be natural dao obscurers/complicators

I remember telling my young kids, don't make it complicated, it is already complicated, but for whatever reasons, it was always complicated. I guess discipline, learning the hard way and education are always necessary. My $0.02

Hello peeps,
Wonder what do you think about Brian Bruya translation of the DDJ from the comics author Cai zhizhong?

On 9/22/2019 at 1:07 PM, dawei said:

She is fluent in Japanese and Chinese.  What sets her apart from other sinologist is she is a long time practitioner herself. 

I haven't seen her speaking Chinese and the few youtube videos I found, she spoke English in her presentation for a Chinese Audience. I have found that many sinologists including Chinese linguistics experts from renown universities, giving lectures in English rather than in mandarin Chinese. Schipper and very few others being the exception.

Does she speak Mandarin Chinese or write Chinese to be such an expert?

I wonder where I can find in this forum more about this commentary or if any English translation. Your input is much appreciated. Thanks

12 hours ago, IvanGu said:

Hi MIG,

 

(8) Do you know why Taoist monasteries are called Gong and Guan?

Chinese people tend to give the best name / services to the respected one, including to Shen Xian.

That is the reason why the taoist temple use gong or guan.

Gong (palace) is the big temple, while Guan (pavilion) is the smaller temple.

 

(9) Do you think Taoist beliefs are of close relevance to our present-day world?

Yes, I think so.

 

Example:

TCM originated from Taoism, acupuncture, acupressure, herbal, etc.

Wushu / chinese martial arts, including Taiji & Ba gua zhang, still being practiced by people.

Qi gong / breathing exercise, still in practiced and being studied to improve people's health.

Jingzuo / meditation, spread even further to gyms.

Divination like palm reading, feng shui, etc... still in practice.

 

Those are several skills that were originated from taoism, but now spread over to public, and taught separately from taoism.

 

While for the adherent of Taoism, they will follow some rituals to fulfill their needs. Examples are:

- Qiuzi yishi (yishi mean ritual / ceremony), for those couples who are struggle to get a son / daughter

- Hehe yishi, to improve the harmony of the couple

- Yanshou yishi, to seek for an extension of  life for people in critical illness.

- etc....

 

 

(10) Do you think Taoism permeates the Chinese culture?

There is a saying from Luxun, a Chinese writer. He says that "Taoism is the root of Chinese culture"

So, if we want to understand the Chinese culture, we may start from learning taoism.

Thank you for your input. I appreciate it. As for the terms, I have the impression in general terms both are distinct still some still use them interchangeably as the one in Shandong:  仙姑顶的道教观

I have read in English what Luxun said, though I couldn't find the original source in Chinese. Do you where to find that quote?
Thanks