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I would agree that it was some good and interesting stuff. I think the challenge is that things get bogged down with this forum audience on the concept of Kundalini itself. The balancing of male and female energy sides is universal to all traditions and to me the most valuable part of the deleted posts.

 

I agree that becoming gender complete is the most important. There is allot of stuff before that happens and allot afterwards as well but the progression is viewable and there are significant changes in ones desires, as in an absence for many things once desired.

 

In my development Kechari has played a huge role so I think it is good to tell others what it is like if asked and also that the writings of the ages are correct they say it so well there is no need for me to embellish.

 

I do think however that they are misunderstood as what they describe is not the end by a long shot but rather an interface to a different way of being that takes time to grow into.

I don't think he was saying he had a rough reception, I think he read a few kundalini topics and decided from that to delete his.

Yes this is it.

 

I find when someone asks thought that they deserve an answer to the best of my ability.

What is khechari?

On the surface it is a disgusting impossible practice. Many read about it in old yogic texts and go to the extremes to achieve it including cutting their tongues. I have know people who can form Kechari naturally yet without the energetic prompting to do so they only report disappointment.

 

On the Physical Level Kechari is when a person takes the tip of their tongue and places it against the soft pallet, then slides back touching the Uvula, then touches the back of the throat, then goes up behind the soft pallet. Impossible though this may seem you can still breath. The tongue is guided and touches the soft spots inside the head and different neurological connections are made and strengthened over time.

 

On the energetic level Kechari happens well before the physical and is in process of developing the connection before the person is even aware of it.

 

One way to tell it is happening will be felt in the body as ones awareness tends to want to go upwards often this is felt as a gently pressure at the point where the nose becomes the skull and the top of the head where as a baby you had a soft spot. Often there will be a pleasant vibration felt and if you listen to it you will hear OM, with eyes closed a nice yellow glow if you wish.

 

There will also be energetic movement in the spine a great bliss better than any sex can be felt in the pelvic floor rising up and taking awareness with it, (Where bliss goes awareness follows) in time the tongue will eagerly attempt to go up and there are exercises to make this more comfortable when it does.

 

On an energetic level it is when one has sufficient current energy kundalini whatever a person likes to name it best, in motion and it demands that a energetic circuit is formed there are different theories concerning the bifurcated nature of Sushumna but I think it best to say bliss knows best where to complete the circuit and just when you think you have it down a new layer of bliss is granted.

 

When the connection happens in this manner it is very strong Bliss defies words and forever alters ones awareness. During and afterwards it is a process that continues year after year to grow and develop.

 

In time one comes to comprehend this is the joining of Siva Lingham and the Yoni the truest form a Yab Yum. On an energetic level you become Gender complete over time and comprehend the the symbology of Tantric Statues.

 

The bliss however is not the goal, the bliss is like a friction between levels of awareness like a lens of sorts that is passed through into the beyond.

 

A person can through certain practices prepare themselves for this to happen that is all anyone can do in an actual intentional way. Once Kechari comes on its own it will keep company with and intensify all practices but it is at the end of practice where on simply sits and abides that the rest happens.

 

Think of it this way In Kriya Yoga we do not purposely cultivate as is found in different places, rather we prepare the way, and by doing the practices become familiar with our subtle body.

 

Here is an example let us say one is performing Kirya Pranayam the awareness is brought up during inhalation a time will come in ones development where the breath will cease and the bliss will sustain you. The time will come when you are guided from within to the true practice and then you will be able to guide the life force back down without the crutch of breath and then back up again keeping all the precepts and this is true pranayam.

 

The body needs air so there is no shame in breathing pranayam but there comes a time when it does not and then you practice in this fashion until it is time not to.

 

by these practices when the time is correct Kundalini may rise with he least amount of obstruction possible.

 

The key phrase here is least amount of obstruction possible.

 

Some have a narrow idealistic belief from reading too much that the way must be perfect pristine and clean and I am telling that, that is not so, life does not work that way at all.

 

On the way to reaching the ideal of perfectly cleansed and prepared nadis Kundalini tends to become impatient and rise anyway and this is reality. Before this happens the various forms of prana are well in motion also and it is prana that is moved first in specific ways.

 

This is why Kriya until recent times has been kept secret, there is a danger of psychological instability happening and not having a support system of someone who has gone before you AKA Guru is not fun. Sadly most teaching today fail to keep in personal availability to their students.

 

In the ancient days though it was not uncommon for a teacher or guru to teach then leave so the student could discover and only talking to them again much later.

 

The only reason I can conceive of that a person would take up any of this is that the choice has simply been removed and they are at a stage in their life's course where they must do this thing, that is for them to do, that it is the time to accelerate the natural course of living.

 

In my personal case I was lazy and just lived my life as a decent human being to the best of my ability. Without going into personal detail I will just say it is impossible to ignore when the time is right.

Thank you all for the encouragement and the kind words, very nice of you.

 

After reading different posts on this site and the ill reception such conversation receives it seemed prudent to just remove the writing. It appeared I had erred in sharing such things on a site that appears to be primarily Daoist ( which I am not sure what that is ) and became discouraged and slightly dyspeptic over certain attitudes concerning the topic of Kundalini.

 

I can't say that I blame people for having such disdain for the word Kundalini. In my endeavors to better comprehend what the process of life development is, I too have come across many tiger pits. Here are a few:

1. The New Age blathering
2. Cults founded off of an Autobiography
3. Cults that formed as an offshoot of the autobiography cult
4. Fake Indian Gurus descended form the founder of certain practices
5. Fake Indian YouTube advertising gurus
6. Fake books on certain popular worded yoga's
7. Personal teachers that could not comprehend nor aid beyond a narrow dogmatic scope of cultural norms & inculcation of lineage.
8. Web Sites with cruel people that act like authorities with oh so superior lofty attitudes but seldom share anything other than bile and vitriol.
9. Websites that have a core cadre of people all agreeing to agree that there system is the best, spreading nonsense.

What a mess.

 

Yet from all of this certain small nuggets of golden confirmation have sifted through the mud and by direct living those things which have been proven kept, the rest discarded.

 

Maybe this is the only way?

 

Comprehend by doing and the unfolding of the years?

 

Let the living and the results of contrived practices which have a utilitarian exercise like routine to them simply do there work and as a byproduct of becoming gender complete take care of the rest?

 

Taking all of this in consideration I thought to myself it appears I have opened the door to controversy and whom am I writing for anyway?

 

Well the answer was simple. I was writing for myself. Sometimes the best way to be sure you know what you know is to write it, this allows the file cabinet to be organized and makes room for more comprehension, but is it necessary to share that with the public?

 

Is it helpful to anyone else?

 

Does it open the possibility of a more knowledgeable person lending a hand? Honestly I like the idea of something beyond the Utilitarian Systematic approach but it appears that in place of this there is only intellectual grubbing around going by various names.

 

Maybe the only usefulness to others is to provide a little comfort along the way when they read something and feel ah yes I know that also, or oh so that is how that fits.

Hi mystery,

 

My opinion is just that only an opinion. It is not meant to be the truth for anyone.

 

I did my research and when it came up the way it did so swiftly there was no reason to continue wasting time on a dead lead.

 

I have seen his videos I have spoken with his people chosen to train others. People in that position are most certainly representatives of the teacher and the teaching they represent.

 

Know a tree by it's fruit.

 

Know a teacher by his students.

 

The impression of the videos are not favorable they come across as advertisement.

 

I have seen him dismiss a woman in one of his videos acting very callous towards her and that was a dead turn off. In fact I really wanted to like this Moses looking figure so much I took the next step and talked to his available appointed teacher for close to 2 hours.

 

The impression from that person who teaches in his name initiates and instructs in his name was not good as they were only too eager to gossip about well, quite frankly persons like yourself, his followers and other teachers and they had very little good to say.

 

I was told by the teacher that she thought he was the real deal but there was too much B.S. surrounding him by way of his followers and with his celebrity status and followers territorial turmoil concerning and surrounding him with people begging like dogs for scraps of attention, there was no chance of a personal relationship with him as a guru.

 

Beyond this I have no further information as there was and is absolutely no interest in becoming another member of an organization as they tend to exist mostly for the sake of their own existence as happens due to necessity of planning financing etc....

 

In closing I apologize for upsetting you.

Kundalini is fake stage in Dao cultivation btw.

Please do explain I am interested in DAO but very new to it.

Please disregard request deleted content. it may have created controversy.

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Thank you, I just asked for some assistance on this.

I would encourage you to request a PPF, to ask that this thread be moved there, and then to hide this post.

 

Thanks Brian After looking around the site some more I see what you mean and decided to just remove it.

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Hello awaken.

I have read several of your posts and you come across as very sure and confident of what you believe.

 

You appear to be a genuine and sincere person but it is discouraging to read you will only work with Chinese speaking persons.

 

Perhaps you might reconsider working with English speaking people?

 

If you would consider working with English speaking people let me know.

 

Based on peoples replies I think you are safe here, all have been respectful to you under this post.

Do tell. Carter was president when historical materialism ruled China...  Did he figure out that socialism in China is like democracy in America -- a theoretical guiding principle, i.e. something that does not necessarily have to have many (or any) real-life consequences, depending on how the rulers interpret it?

A problem with America is the belief and rhetoric pushing that it is a Democracy.

 

This country was set up to be a Representative Republic, the States were set up to be sovereign and not to be under the heel of Federalism.

 

Democracy is a failed system look to Greece, see how well that has worked out. Who in their right mind wants that?

 

The guiding principal of America has always been A Representative Republic fueled by the greed of Capitalism and it tends to work pretty well even while the Federal System continues to strong arm the states.

 

In truth the United States is a combination of forms of Government and the Monarchy is at the top. You know those who vote themselves raises, exempt themselves from the very things they vote in place for the populace. So this is a little bit of Monarchy and Dictatorship mixed with Capitalism and Mafia strong arm tactics . It is also a representative republic for the privileged.

 

For example we have a punitive health system that states you will carry health insurance or we will use our strong arm the IRS to make sure you pay into health care.

 

By the People of the People for the People. Hah! Pure poppy cock! By For and of the Privileged, if you are not one of them then blame the circumstances of your birth!

 

As for my take on it all, Give unto Ceaser....... Accept the things you cannot change, Honor the powers that be, Accept this precious perfect moment moment, moment after moment, that really is more than enough for anyone and of more enormity than almost anyone is capable of.

"Guru Lineage Students, We do precision guess work based on unreliable data provided by those of questionable knowledge."

 

Original source of Quote unknown, just heard it the other day and it fits.

Yogiraj Satgurunath Siddhanath

 

You know I looked into this guy and spent some time talking to those he has appointed to instruct others. I listened to their stories of internal discord among his followers, discussed the techniques he calls Kriya. The conclusion is the whole thing surrounding him is nothing but a fraud on a massive scale. Decided he was a waste of time.

 

I have not seen or heard anything yet to alter this opinion.

"God" searches out your true heart - not your knowledge of mechanics,

and only the Self can choose the Self.

Yes.

Bindi thank you for starting this discussion.

 

Tibetan Ice Thank you very much for all of your research and shared experience knowledge and the reference material.

 

I have just completed reading the 9 pages comprising this discussion thus far and am very pleased and have gained an education into what it is I have been experiencing over the years.

 

For example:  Quoting Tibetan Ice When nirvikalpa samâdhi has been practiced daily for many, many years—according to the classical yoga teachings, for twelve years—and the golden body has been built, the kundalini force coils itself in the sahasrâra chakra of the yogî, at the top of the head. This is known as the manas chakra, located about where the hairline begins at the forehead. This chakra eventually becomes the mûlâdhâra chakra, or the memory-pattern chakra, of the golden body.

The manas chakra is fully activated when the golden body is fully unfolded. This is known in Hindu and Egyptian mystic schools as the golden body of light, for it registers in the minds of those who look upon it, to their soul body, as a golden ball of light or a golden body.

 

This is something I can speak to and verify as being truthful and correct until reading this I was not entirely certain what the golden body was all about, yes I knew this to be true but to read it so well explained is wonderful confirmation. I do enjoy understanding the mechanics.

 

It occurs to me it would be kind to share this with others so when it happens they will know.

 

As is part of my profile here on this site I do practice Kriya Yoga but not from just one lineage nor exclusively nor dogmatically as I do blend techniques from other traditions such as the Six Yogas of Naropa. Kundalini alone guides my sadhana. For example Navi Kriya is a very poor cousin when compared to Vase Breathing so it is substituted.

 

Oh it also occurs to me that it would be good to share some mechanical aspects, So I will.

 

A little background...

 

I have been instructed in Kriya Yoga from the following lineages in person.

Paramahansa Yogananda

Paramahamsa Hariharananda

Shibundu Lahiri

Ashok Chatterjee of India not in person but confirmation that the practices are nearly identical to those of Shibendu which is not surprising since they both learned from Shibendu's Father the Grandson of Lahiri Mahasaya.

Finally from the Pranabananda Lineage spending a great deal of personal time with Sri Rangin Mukherjee before and during the time of organizing and bringing him here to the United States with the help of a very good man I call friend.

 

Each of the lineages had very good practices all were convinced without a doubt that their dogmatic sectarian view was the only correct one.

 

Each Lineage is good and worthy of respect.

 

In my life I have been very fortunate and have been taught to initiate and teach others, I have taught very few people and tend to shy away from the idea of initiating others. Initiation is only a temporary boost as others have already shared, I do not share the religious ideas of Initiation but do honor the letter of the law for the sake of being lawful and honoring those who have given so much to me. In this way I think initiation is important. I also accept that people can use a kick start but it is not necessary just helpful.

 

Those I have taught received initiation from another yet did not fully comprehend and I was asked to help them, to teach them again and again until they comprehended each practice and this I have done with love and patience.

 

Sometimes the best thing to do is to leave people alone to practice and figure things out even though you are concerned and want to ask, are you keeping up with your practices? But this does no good as they will feel put upon, so I have found it better to encourage free sharing and let them ask when they feel the need, then I give them all in my heart.

 

Here are the Mechanics of my practice with some explanation of what comes from each one of them and why and the sequence below is very important.

 

I do not practice Yoni Mudra any more as the practice has already served its purpose traditionally though it is to be done last and only at night and only once per 24 hours. It can be done at any time but night time is best for several reasons which do not mean anything until you do it at night and discover the injunction is correct. In short it just works much better.

 

Talabya Kriya: This practice is done on purpose for two reasons and it is not to perform Kechari Mudra. The first reason is there is a calming effect on the mind that leads one to become introverted from the normal extroverted orientation to the outside world.

 

The second reason is to prepare the body so it will not be harmed when one day the Kundalini rises and seeks avenue into the higher chakras the 6th seventh and above. There are accounts of people tongues ripping when Kundalini decides the tongue shall go up and into the skull behind the soft pallet, Yogananda's boyhood friend shares this story I believe it is in the book called Mejda If I recall correctly which was written by Yoganandas brother.

 

When Kechari mudra does come by will of Kundalini everything changes. When it comes by will of Kundalini it is not mistakable during practices one keeps there tongue curled upwards touching the tip to the roof of the mouth or soft pallet or uvula if it will go there without strain. When Kundalini is moving in the spine the tongue will actively try to go up into the skull with out a voluntary effort to make it happen. As the years go by the tongue goes up rapidly during practice and it is very natural.

 

The tongue forming this mudra is a shadow of the astral or energetic body completing a circuit to the higher chakras. To say making the tongue go into this position and the astral or energetic body will make the connection is faulty reasoning. Some cut their tongues to get them to go up and I suppose eventually by the movement of Kundalini eventually the energetic body will make that circuit and then a person could conceivably experience what comes naturally in it's own good time.

 

The next practice is Bastrika 1 or 2 rounds of 100 repetitions followed by keeping the breath outside the body for as long as is comfortable followed by keeping the air inside the body for as long as is possible.

 

This practice is priceless as it stills the mind in beautiful satisfaction this also feeds the body and calms the breathing apparatus

 

The next Practice is called Maha Mudra and there are simple and more complex versions of it. Take your pick as long as the 3 basic locks are performed during the practice they are all equally good. Lock one the Anus, Lock two the Navel, lock three the throat. Without the locks it is just stretching and gives health benefits by keeping the viscera loose and the spine supple.

 

This practice is the one that frees the Ida and Pingali knots as they interact with Sushumna, it is superior to the 9 blowings of the  tibetan practice for equalizing the airs. You can practice without equalizing the airs but the practices are greatly diminished which is why this is done first.

 

The next practice is Navi Kriya this practice is meant to gain the safest entry point into Sushumna via the navel chakra. It is a practice that does work but it is weak compared to Vase Breathing & Tummo. I substitute Navi Kriya with Tummo.

 

The next practice is Kriya Pranayam of locating the chakras and tuning into them. This is done moving Kundalini using Mantra using breath and gazing into Kutastha to see each chakra but first you feel Kundalini move then arrive at the chakra then vibrate and revel in the bliss of that chakra all the while observing the glow but I confess the bliss tends to wipe out my senses as I become enraptured within each of these churches. This practice begins in the perineum as the starting point OM is reverberated in the coccyx region at the first chakra  this continues up to Medulla then radiates upwards into Bindu and even Sahasrar and this becomes the new starting point on the travel down Om is placed in Medulla then all the way to Muladhar and radiates to Perinium as an out flow of radiation. This is done only once.

 

The Perinium and Bindu do not receive the consideration of the chakras they are more like gathering point before the Kundalini moves forward to interact with the chakras.

 

The next practice is Kriya Pranayam Proper where all of the 6 Chakras are visited on the way up with a single inhalation which is different that what was just described. All are visited during exhalation on the way down. All receive the Kiss of OM This is repeated many times. The bliss experienced and the Samadhi entered are greatly enhanced by first practicing Kriya Pranayam of locating the chakras and tuning into them.

 

The purpose of this Kriya Pranayam is to scrape the sword to purify the path of Kundalini and release Karmic obstructions.

 

So far the purposes line up as follows:

 

Introvert the mind Prepare the body for Kundalini upward travels beyond the lower chakras.

 

Feed the body and calm the breathing apparatus

 

Separate Ida and Pingali from sticking to Sushumna

 

Cultivate and purify with heat and enter Sushumna at the safest region of the navel chakra 4 finger widths below the navel.

 

Traverse Sushumna and interact with the specific frequencies of each center worshiping at each church. Hah what a joke the bliss at each chakra is different and you are like a pleasure seeker enraptured in the greatest feelings imaginable that stall out your mind & emotions and leave you far far beyond where they can ever hope to follow beyond the shores of there existence.

 

Cleansing the path of sushumna and the chakras

 

So as can be seen we are starting from the point of lets say coming home from work after being out in the waking walking world what we do is ease into each layer going ever deeper into the core of our being but preparing the way first.

 

Kundalini is very much in motion from the very start but the path becomes clearer and stronger as each layer is traversed via contrived practiced devised specifically for the stated purpose and Bliss if what gives the impetus to continue on and each contrived practice elevates the bliss to a higher greater fantastic feeling level of incredible ecstasy and deep satisfaction.

 

After the preparatory work has been done and in my case Kechari usually forms during Maha Mudra or Vase Breathing the next motion once Kundalini has come to rest at BIndu during the last inhalation of Kriya Pranayam is to bring the Pineal gland and the pituitary into concert and that is done simply by focusing on the Fontenal and Divine Kundalini knows her circuit home and on the way does this connection for you.

 

Once ones awareness is in the Sahasrar enjoying the bliss of this one inhales and sings / vibrates OM 6 times in the Sahasrar and on the exhalation does the same six times.

 

The breaking of bliss of Kundalini comes in wave upon wave and Kechari which has been firmly in place continues to pump Kundalini up into the sahasrar the breath has already became stilled in Kuval Khumbaka many times during the earlier practices but here it stalls and halts is the most bliss stunend states of awareness on can imagine and for prolonged periods of time awareness becomes stilled. and the trick here is just to abide and not to attempt to control the process in any way just abide and in doing so a zero point of energy is encountered that is beyond imagination as it is every fresh and renewed from it's own stillness and as Jeff described in an earlier post it is just so.

 

When one has experienced everything described and things settle down one continues the practice. The more this is done the more powerful the experience the more blissful and if you do not pierce the Sahasrar you will remain at these levels of awareness.

 

Eventually you simply arrive and abide without modifications and stay like this for as long as you please and when you begin to come down bliss erupts and hold you aloft.

 

If you pierce the Sahsrar you will see the Golden body.

 

The final practice is something I was recently taught and was asked not to reveal for a couple of months so the request will be honored.

 

When I see the Golden Body it is known for what it is in a way words will not convey, so I will share what is seen and the impressions my mind can convey. A Golden Male Body without hair, naked but with no obvious signs of sexual organs, the body is masculine and well formed with good muscle tone. The face is much like mine in my youth between my late twenties and mid thirties but a more idealized and perfect version than this body ever wore.

 

This body sits in a cross legged fashion and it's volume is variable it can occupy the entirety of the bubble universe it inhabits or shrink to a size where entire solar systems can fit in the palm of it's hand, or even smaller. The emotional feelings that emanate from it are feelings of heart felt clear clean pure unalloyed joy and mirth which are conveyed in thought and feeling in a way that I know the joke is life and existence itself. The awareness is so refined and aware of the presence of my lower awareness and I know we are one as I am the dream of myself and this colossus is none other than myself and I am the dream of this great dreamer the play of his consciousness an imperfect fragment of the multidimensional totality of the whole. The Golden Body observed yet I get the feeling that there are those also like this one inhabiting there own bubble universe and these universes are like gestation bubbles and this one is still developing and I am a tool of his development as are these sharing. Furthermore this is not the end of the evolution in being even though it is far beyond human there is even further still to go.

 

I discover the human body calling to me it needs something and I am made aware that I am not breathing at this moment there is some concern and I have a choice I know if I ignore it, it will die, but I really do not care, then I feel and obligation not to let it die as if it would be a great wrongness but still my choice, so I have to return and my vision of this universe my ability to be here know here feel hear recedes and I find myself becoming aware of a human body as I vibrate to its frequency sitting on my cushion in deep silence the awareness reintegrating into this body is not desired it is rough and crude by comparison and do not know if I need to exhale or inhale so I inhale a bit to discover I am very full of air and release it and my mind comes back from a very great distance but it has been changed it now has qualities of what has just happened brought back the atmosphere of that place.

 

There is something I wish to point out before ending this sharing for now. It may be thought that Samadhi is the culmination at the very end of the list of practices. I guess this was true years ago. Now Samadhi is entered into during any of the practices and when it does I can feel it coming it took time to learn to just abide and let it go as it will then when returning continuing the practices.

 

The practices I have shared are as Kundalini has guided they are not strictly traditional Kriya and they may not be appropriate for others to copy so I have left out allot of vital points of the practices on purpose. 

 

To learn these things I would advise making the effort to find a teacher and get the instruction on the basic Kriya practice. The basic Kriya Practice has everything anyone could want to get to the point of purification of the energetic body and gaining the ability to feel prana and Kundalini and guide them and then Kundalini will pretty much take over and teach and lead the practitioner to what they need to learn next.

 

Kriya is good for people with a certain affinity for it, or for Tantra which has been so misunderstood and so much garbage written about it on certain websites by so called authorities that it does not even make sense.

 

There is a time when one will feel as if they are mounted by a woman while in practices and when this happens you know the real tantra all other things like visualizing, actually physically performing this seating with a physical human woman, or energetically doing so with a willing partner are not the real thing.

 

When I was a teenager I experienced exactly what Vivekananda did in his book there were some differences but the overall theme is exact.

 

Still there is much, much more road ahead to travel.

 

Again I am grateful for this conversation I never expected to find so much confirmation and explanation of the very things I have lived and it is comforting for the road ahead to know by the confirmation of others that they too have gone this route.  Maybe what has been shared will do the same for others. I sure hope so.

Isn't going deeper just entering into a blissful temporary state more deeply?

 

Can work be done at any samadhi level to remove ignorance about the nature of one’s self?

 

Might the ego self even be strengthened by one's ability to enter this state?  

 

Coming into this discussion late so starting from the beginning of what is now 9 pages.

 

Isn't going deeper just entering into a blissful temporary state more deeply?

 

Yes & No.

 

Yes it is temporary in that the peak state or level of depth is not fully retained in the waking walking state.

 

When you go into the depths "using depth as an analogy that is", you bring the depths back with you "Temporary" becomes a shifting line in the sand with each dive you become more and more operable in the the state of the depths even in waking walking state this is a side effect of Samadhi nothing to work at during waking walking state, nothing you can do or imagine doing will lead you to this.

 

Can work be done at any samadhi level to remove ignorance about the nature of one’s self?

 

Samadhi handles this just being in this state called Samadhi takes care of the rest.

 

Might the ego self even be strengthened by one's ability to enter this state?

 

Do not worry about this in time it is taken care of. How? because the illusion of having an ego is no longer even a consideration. There is no need to ask who is this that believes they have an ego. Who is this I that believes in an ego.

 

In different traditions you will find different means and ways to enter Samadhi. It is up to the individual what they find acceptable.

 

One of the most important keys to Samadhi is letting go. Whenever you find yourself grasping to bliss let it go clinging to the door jamb will not allow you to walk through the door.

 

The point of entering Samadhi is not to see if you can go pearl diving or how deep you can go. The point of Samadhi is that it has no point in that your waking life becomes more and more indistinguishable from your peak samadhi states which go beyond bliss into indescribable presence of being.

 

It is not uncommon for people to become comfortable with their waking walking state and cease all contrived practices. It is also not uncommon for people to need to take a break from deep diving and grow accustomed to their life.

 

It is not uncommon for people to continue on and on.

 

In the energetic or Kundalini traditions with their roots in tantra it is indeed bliss that leads to Samadhi, make no mistake about this. Bliss is a difficult thing to explain in words it feels wonderful of course better than the best sex. Bliss however is not the goal it just happens as a byproduct a result of practices and it is more a membrane between where you currently find your existence and what is next.

 

Bliss is an energetic membrane where two different vibratory states or two different levels of awareness meet.

 

Bliss is the event horizon.

 

Samadhi the time spent traveling in the tunnel between dimensions of being.

 

It can happen that you are in Shallow Samadhi and become very used to it, when this happens you may find a small portion of your thoughts wondering is this all there is? If you let go and just be, before you know it you will feel the bliss growing and sometimes it will be so much your body can not handle it there is a tremendous amount of kundalini and if you will be with it 100 thousand percent with all your being ( If you can take it ) you may realize as you are returning to a state which has a mind  that you are without heartbeat and breath and need it not.

 

If this happens to you just one time all your questions concerning removing the ignorance of ones-self will be removed. This is not the end though, now you have to grow into the comprehension of this and the more often you dive deeply the better your comprehension will become.

 

I would also like to return to the part of samadhi where thoughts become present, by definition when you are in Samadhi there is no mind there are no thoughts and without either of these all you are is pure awareness. 

 

Awareness though is a very refined version of mind and there are levels where there is no awareness that can pass as anything close to being able to put in words. To be that is the goal of deep diving. To be whole and complete that in your root reality is the the goal. But to be that you will no longer be human nor walking the earth or any other imaginary plane for that matter.

 

There are levels where one is aware of the presence of there own mind / personality as a separate entity from there purity of being and wants nothing to do with that personality / mind that has preferences etc...

 

There are levels where there is no awareness whatsoever at all and these are areas you have entered where your awareness is not developed or refined enough to function entering these areas again and again is the point of samadhi because when you return you  bring this with you and like learning how to walk you learn also how to walk in these areas.

 

This is an important point because you are returning each time different and changed and this is in your daily life making life a fully present experience of being here now fully.

 

As soon as you become capable of being aware though you are introduced to the next area you can not be aware in...... until you are. In these areas of deepest Samadhi just being there changes you just like a stick of butter is changed by being on a hot frying pan.

 

Hot pan is fact.

 

Cold butter is fact.

 

Place cold butter on hot pan and both change by their interaction, butter melts and clean hot pan becomes cooled and wet with butter. Bliss is the flame.

 

When you return to being a cold pan however are you not coated in butter and different before the interaction? It is like this.

 

This may sound like drudgery of repetition but it is not as there is bliss and a certain something that grows in your being leading you to Samadhi

 

If it is a dead end then I have yet to find the end as I am still very much in the stage of growing into each new Samadhi experience and the best part is it keeps getting easier and easier.

Thanks!

 

I've actually decided to join after reading some of the rants about AYP here.

I've been practicing for about a year now ("Deep" Meditation + "Spinal Pranayama", some asanas), and I do feel a lot of progress, but I started feeling that something is off with the AYP system. What dragged me to AYP like a magnet were basically a few things:

• Simple instruction and explanations
• A well-balanced (?) system of practices to cover the many aspects of yoga
• LEGO-set style of adding practices when you become comfortable with the previous one.

 

After some time practicing and reading, I started to get the feeling that Yogani actually stepped into the trap he was denouncing (taking up one limb of Yoga, and hoping it will work alone), but on another level: he's focusing on one (or very few) practices from each limb, ignoring others. Also, after reading some of the critique, it seems Yogani's practices are not as canonical as he presents them, as are some of the terms he's using.

 

So, if you ask what I'm looking for, I'd have to say "a new practice system". I want a broader look at the practices available and recommended. Eventually, I want to find "my" way to enlightenment (don't we all?).

 

For now, I'm planning to continue with the my practice schedule, but I want to review it and make sure it's actually beneficial =)

 

Thanks, Miffymog.

Meditation techniques are the least of the problem, IMO. I've found a few good pointers here on the forums. But I don't feel that meditation alone can take me much further.

What I really miss are _other_ techniques, like pranayama, and a _system_ for combining all of the practices.

Send me a private message I will send you something I wrote for you that might help you get going in these things you have interest in.