Pilgrim

lol, yes and don't forget that anyone who questions this is obviously a nazi.

You forgot the most important tenant Obama can do no wrong!

Everyone else left him a mess. 8 years to fix it ermmm yep real effective.

Almost as good for the nation as imposing that everyone will buy health insurance or the IRS will step on you. Back in the old days the Black Hand ran things this way, it was called a protection racket.

There has never been a more Un-American administration than this one, yet they have a problem with Russia after pulling this Obama care crap? Absolutely disgusting anyone would think this is a good thing or want it as there legacy.

The only thing Obamacare has done is screw up everyone's health care, make it hell on doctors, hospitals and staff giving the big insurance companies like Blue Cross Blue Shield a way to charge much more, provide much less to put the Cherry on top outsource the work to countries outside the U.S. for handeling all patient claims etc...

Golly Gee Wiz thanks allot Obama!

Good riddance thankfully only a few more days.

Obama servant to big business. The way to fix this country is to start with limiting lawyers non sense and getting rid of insurance companies.

Insurance companies are a racket you pay and they bet against you using there services, now they have rigged it all in their favor.

Obama in many ways was just the mouth piece for corporate greed and injustice forced on the American people like a dictator would only not as honest or direct.

Only a few more days now

I hear he is building a wall.

I hear Mexico now wants to pay for it.

Out of curiosity, did Obama earn a straitjacket?

Yes, but who would dare put it on him?

Lets revisit this question in 4 years shall we? Those who failed to get there way will get there chance in 4 years, it is the way the system works.

I have a strong hunch though they will likely have to wait 8 years. Lets see if I am right.

A difference that makes no difference is no difference at all.

There is no single rule within "hinduism". Typically there are the right hand and left hand paths in Tantric traditions, which deal with these types of work (kundalini). The right-hand traditions focus on celibacy, avoidance of certain types of foods, abstinence (alcohol, intoxicants, etc).  The left-hand tradition deals with realization via things that are forbidden in the conventional sense. They call it the three "Ms - "Mamsa, Madira, Maithuna" (Mamsa - Meat, Madira - Alchohol or intoxicants in general and Maithuna - sexual activity).

The Left-hand path is not one of wanton debauchery, as there is a very ritualized approach to these practices and must be learnt from a bona fide teacher.

Well said the left handed would be impossible to navigate without a bona fide teacher. If people think obtaining a guru is difficult how much more so one like this?

Merry Christmas to all and too all a good night! Ho,Ho,Ho,Ho,Ho!

 

 

I quite agree with (or perceive as right) the first and the last paragraphs. But the second worries me a little bit. So could “surges” of bliss happen beyond your control when stillness of mind is sufficient? IME, bliss grows at the expenses of thoughts and vice versa, so in order to stop bliss I had just to let some thought enter into my attention. Kinda safety mechanism. Please let me know your opinion on this, surely optimistic, theory. 

Yes without preparing the way, bliss can get out of control as shared in the previous post.

Yes without still mind energy can cause problems mostly to the detriment of ones mental and emotional wellbeing as Karma is evaporating leaving the not self realized sentient bewildered when they are loosing their perceived self and faced with a self they know not, even in small chunks the pothole seems like a giant building devouring sink hole.

Each sentient comes to this crossroad many times, the answer is always the same. You have no choice now you can do nothing and let things unfold like a model t putting down the road or get in the tesla and go faster. 

To to go faster you must pave the road prepare the surface or the tesla will not do as well as the model t on a bumpy dirt road puttering down the lane. Sure the tesla can go fast on a bumpy dirt road but it will be a terrible ride and will get stuck in mud many times.

It is not a matter of either or, there will be times where dedicated daily Sadhana or spiritual practices will be done for decades and times when they will not, one has to find the temperature at which they boil, a nice simmer is best when cooking / preparing the self.

 

 

But still I perceive this apparent dichotomy as a kind of chicken and egg puzzle. IMHO it may depend on where one starts, and it seems that most people start their practices (yoga, qigong, whatever) without having a previous feeling of this thing called “energy”. I’ve seen physical procedures (asanas, bandhas, tai-chi forms etc.), which seem to be designed with the intention to awake, let’s say “by brute force” (as compared to other methods) this “energy”. So (I think, please confirm or reject) the practitioner feels nothing at the beginning, but will eventually perceive this “energy”.

The development of awareness to perceive energy, is a common development as it is a natural one. It is the gateway to a different stage in ones awareness.

Sentients over time developed understanding and systems for working with it, Henry Ford had the model T it did a great job of transportation but we did not stop there. It is the same here. But at the end of the day even a Tesla performs the same function.

Asana and many other methods of moving energy come to one during practice. When one comes to know these wonderful things one shares by systemizing them and sharing with others.

If a person does not have these things come to them on there own or is given them prematurely or are doing them because of some provocative statement then they are brute forcing.

The he ones who have to do these things know it in their bones and it is right they should, the ones who are doing out of an idea are just wetting there toes on the way to a much larger ocean of existence.

I have a dear friend who felt nothing. His heart felt motivation is for liberation or Moksha, he is wealthy and well accomplished in life, a father and husband he is in his 60's. He has embraced life not run away. After decades of practices he is just now beginning to feel.

Where one starts has nothing to do with preference. Once one has arrived at a certain state of calm clear mind there is no division. I have always been able to feel energy but I have also always had a certain quality of stillness from birth. For myself life has been growing into both.

Where I got into trouble was with Still Mind practices and resulting Kundalini releases beyond my ability to know how to guide it safely as it ripped its way to the crown and above using the path of least resistance in an un-prepared vessel. There was Physical damage shown on MRI Scans.

Many seem to believe there is a choice.

There is no choice. You can not become a baby, child, a teenager nor a young adult once you have been that which proceeded later. If you incarnate 1 million more times you can not undo where you are now and you may not stay as you are in this moment either. 

Embrace change it comes to all.

 

 

But at the beginning of the same post, I can read that the exchange of experiences is possible and worth. To me, this sounds somewhat contradictory with the “find a master” concept, so I have to figure out where one concept ends and the other begins in order to find an accepted, open arena for discussion.

When someone replies to another sharing there experiences, the worth is for both parties. The one sharing is unspooling there Karma in the sense of stored patterns of living so it does not become an obstruction.

The one reading will either reject accept or ponder even at a later date and come realizations unique to themselves.

Sharing is an act of love, and that communicates in a way that words alone may not. The love goes something like this were I to phrase it.

I a sentient recognize that the mind and heart I calls mine own is no different than the apparent separate myriad others. What has come to this one of value by living, or is possible to share to one questing as this I has and still does, this I greatfully donates to all fellow sentients.

 

 

Perceiving my quest as an attempt to stand out as the shining individual has been quite instructive to me, and I thank Pilgrim for sharing his perspective. I have to reflect upon my motivations, and that’s always an issue, but I can’t avoid feeling that the overall post may be summarized with the Three Conclusive Words: “Find a master”. And this would close all discussion.

Do not even try.

The obstructions you find by contacting them are your stored Karma, it is condensed energy think of it as a database of sorts, thoughts,feelings, preferences,memories long forgotten, lives once lived and forgotten even in this current incarnation.

Do you recall your diapers getting changed and the look on the persons face doing it or how much better it felt to be clean? No of course not but the kindness of another taking care of you is imprinted.

When you reach the stage you are at energy can be used to gently purify and dissolve this Karma commonly called obstructions because they are in the way.

The process of dissolving this Karma is not something to be taken lightly, it tampers with your very sense identity on many levels and will effect your life. One also comes to realize the self because when the components of a presumed identity keep changing little by little the self becomes known by the gaps left.

Your Karma is your truest master.

The old saying when the student is ready the master will appear is true as in the sense above as well as in literal meaning.

Profoundly superior?

According to who?

Do you realize that bliss and quietness / openness / stillness are one?

Do you realize that when stillness of mind is sufficient the energy of Bliss will come and un-directed and not having familiarity with it, it can cause damage.

Both of these seemingly different things are like two sides of the same coin. When bliss energy reaches its peak of ones ability to entertain as it hits obstructions the result is a consciousness returning from deep samadhi states anchored in profound stillness.

If one practices something as simple as sitting zen or Zazen when the mind becomes still enough and calmly anchored that the energy of bliss will come.

There can be debilitating injuries from this if sufficient preparation to gently clear the channels is not done.

1 - Is this exchange of experiences possible? Is it worth?

2 – Is there a common area where we can talk about this stuff in an objective way, in plain language, without dogmatisms and biasing due to each one’s origins?

 

#1. Yes it is worth while, The exchange is possible if one is sharing from their heart then you will feel it just the same as when someone is rough in a reply.

#2. I came from a state of none preference, then things happened, then I had to educate myself, to discover what was going on. I was so reluctant to contaminate my pure original self with this ism or that. An attempt was made to stay purely objective and create my own system in this way retain the original way seeking mind free of belief or subconscious contamination.

This succeeded beyond my wildest expectations but without education in my ignorance I thought I had failed.

As time went on something eventually had to be done and pride and desire to stay pristine not owned by any ism had to be sacrificed. Answers were found in the Dogmatic Rigid system of Kriya Yoga.

It was not the Dogmatic part that did the trick though but when in Rome.... Along the way the terminology was adopted for the sake of communication and comprehension. The terminology and the system of thought bolstered by verification of doing is still in place.

Still in place because by self effort the very things discussed in the dogmatic tradition have come to pass the value therein proven.

The respect for others and the desire not to be contaminated by Dogmatic limitation is also still in place.

There are many paths to the summit of a mountain we all make our way in our own unique way and that needs to be respected regardless of approach. The way that has worked for me up till this point may not be the way for others and there are yet ways left to discover.

So to answer your question no, it is not always possible to completely weed out the dogmatic origins nor is it necessary, resistance to dogmatic patterns is in itself dogmatic. The Dogmatic Approach of the one attempting to stand out as the shining individual. pure, uncontaminated, unconditioned.

Well said Brian

Hello,

Concerning Chakras. I experience them as locations mapped within an analogous spine with different locations. I also experience them as all within Sahasarar. 

Chakras being a learned mental map is correct and incorrect as people like myself experienced them long before even knowing what they were called. If one sticks to a map of where they are supposed to be then that is a learned mental map. Better to know than to allow any one idea predominate as to where they are absolutely.

There are Chakras that overlap and some that are off to the side. In the end it is really all about modifications to awareness and each as a nexus has an influence. It is Awareness job to be able to cleanly clearly express it's existence no mater when or where it may find itself. A large part of this is familiarity going down then coming back up again from the un-manifest to the manifest.

They express bliss, vibrating humming electric and magnetic to there own specific frequency, each are modified planes of existence and one can perceive the different way ones awareness perceives & operates while going up and down.

The further down one goes the slower and the more dense, the higher up one goes the less connected like there is more space in between more light,free, less dense, expansive the mind also takes on these characteristics.

The chakra in question concerning Kechari is the Lalana or Talu Chakra it is located in the medulla Oblongata, the trigger is the soft pallet. During Kechari this is where breath becomes suspended and Kundalini goes down into the body through Sushumna Vibrating all the chakras.

If someone in Kechari decides to move the tongue against the  septum they will encounter very sensitive tissue and will swiftly also discover a direct connection to the pleasure receiving parts of the reproductive organs as well.

The rest goes without saying and one may enjoy physical pleasures to an extremely heightened degree.

The septum and the ledge above as well as the actual nasal passages are only minor locations and mostly physical in connection. The forward placement of the tongue also runs into a bit of a dead end energetically also as misinformed people seem to think they will get to the point between the brows this way.

When the tongue lays against the back wall of the skull and is going straight up into the soft pit above and the flow of current enters a very narrow passageway that is when the actual penetration occurs, all else is just physical mirroring.

It is the penetration of this current into Sahasrar where the penetration occurs I am speaking of and here, one knows what it is to be gender complete or completed. This is where one comprehends being the penetrated and the one penetrating at the same time.

As far as sharing presence goes, it is up to the individual. To some extent it just happens anyway.

He, He, He

Thank you for being accepting pilgrim. And not being harsh to me.

I'm sorry if I came across bad in ways. I'm not a great writer, but it's all in the spirit of not caring about offending someone's pride.

But still I care.

Idk just sorry if I came off badly.

It's Okay Mystery the words I wrote could have been less inflammatory as well. Apologies.

Thank you for sharing what you felt comfortable with, the vagueness speaks volumes you have a legitimate practice, it is obvious, and I am pleased to receive real testimony concerning your gurudev.

Clara Peller

"Where's the beef?"

Paramahamsa Hariharananda...

" MISTAKE is not for MISTAKE!  MISTAKE is for CORRECTING! "

I love this quote because we are all prone to mistakes and as simple as this message is it is profound.

People myself included will make a mistake and out of stubborn refusal to acknowledge it,  give it a life and a power that it never had to begin with and yes even let it dominate our lives for years.

To me this quote means Okay you made a mistake take the shot to the heart and admit it, own it, live with it and move on continuing to serve a mistake with our life is the biggest mistake of all, now quit being lazy and correct it.

When it comes to practices it is a reminder to always watch our own practice and when a mistake creeps in correct it immediately.

Hi Mystery,

Reading such a strong reply I have no doubt you are certain of what you are saying so your point of view is equal to that of the teacher I spoke to which is now to say I am uncertain who to believe but I prefer to lean to your side of things.

Maybe you could tell us of some of your personal interactions with Gurunath? It is nice to hear I may have been misinformed which is certainly possible and yes impressions can be misleading.

  I guess it will just have to run it's course.

He had deleted his posts by 4.50 am yesterday, after seeker of healing's single comment. Any further discussion regarding fake stages was well after this, so either he is extremelyy sensitive, or he had other reasons to delete his posts.

It did nothing to help but by itself it was not enough to remove the posts.

I was actually hoping to learn why it was viewed in such a way. If the assertion is correct then it should be able to be explained.

It was posts in different sections of the Dao Bums regarding Kundalini that gave the impression of this type of conversation was unwelcome.

After today the impression has changed.

Still learning this stuff but to the best of my understanding.

 

"The state of khecari is the state of Lord Siva, who is the

supreme embodiment of consciousness."

 

Khecari is not about sitting and doing some pranayama or meditation technique.

 

Real Khecari Mudra is "becoming one with supreme consciousness."

 

If you see it a different way please let me know.

Exactly.

The ways and means of practices once the path has been cleared enough then become the means to bring one from the extroverted state of daily waking walking world to the introverted state.

Over time there is less of a distinct separation of states.

Once there You do not do Kechari.

Kechari does you.

The thing about it is thought even though it is the state of Lord Siva it takes time for one to develop in that state and it does change with repeated exposure.