Pilgrim

May 6, 2019

4 hours ago, Spotless said:

Very few exercise neutrality

This is a very important statement, it is only by this I have not been bitten by Cotton Mouth Water Moccasins when accidentally picking them up while fishing or even stepping on them bare footed or when sitting in the woods with my back against a palmetto bush just feeling the sun and the sky being at one with the wilderness and scent of the earth wearing shorts and rattlesnakes crossed over my legs.

May 6, 2019

Your third eye can open before you are ready for it and you will see but be unable to comprehend what is seen based upon which dimension opens.

For example early on in my Kriya practices of Hariharnanda when Kechari first came the third eye activated very strongly and with both eyes open I had to look around the Shimmering ring and the portal of what appeared to be deep space with stars.

It was so strong I went to the bathroom to see if it were reflected in the mirror and it was not I literally had to look around the portal opened with my physical eyes because it was so strong and in the way.

Finally discerning there was no practical reason for this and somehow knowing it a gateway that I lacked familiarity with it was best to leave it be. I said now look I appreciate the astral vision but these are not the senses I need active and distracting me while in the physical so off the damned portal already this is getting in the way of being able to see here with the senses of this body I need now.

With that it shut down.

Now the feeling in your forehead is indeed communications going on on a different level and that is fine. Sometimes it will be stronger than others and if you are quiet enough inside you will hear divine sound through it.

Remember astral organs are only analogous to physical organs but not limited to them in regards to specific function so hearing with your foreheads eye is not so strange nor is feeling. When it is noticeably stronger just be relaxed and receptive for whatever may be pertinent or not there are communications going on and conversations other levels of yourself are engaged in. If you get a hunch then best to observe it. For example if you feel like driving right now is a bad idea then do not hang back a bit and feel for the it is okay now to come to you then go.

Have avoided many accidents this way.

May 6, 2019

From what I have experienced in deep Samadhi states the universe is not either but rather it exists and operates in a balanced lawful manner in accord with its unique nature and each Universe within the multiverse is unique and operates similarly. They are divided by vibration frequencies no two may blend.

Universes exist as a place for everything in them to develop and evolve past the need for bubbles of gestation and maturation. I view universes as places set up for us to come to experience calling this life and die review our lifetimes and the wisdom's gained and the modification from them and the maturity gained from these lifetimes of experience wash rise and repeat until one is no longer a fit for said particular universe and graduates to yet another.

It is kind of like this when I was 5, I was a close fit for Kindergarten now nearing 50 it would not be a good fit for anyone were I to attend.

May 6, 2019

Today the beautiful black cat who has decided my lady and I as well as our home outside belong to him which of course we have welcomed and even encouraged as this cat is one of the most affectionate souls in a cat body we have met in a long time. This morning having coffee on the porch the cat came to visit. I was not outside yet and evidently he was looking for me.

I know this because my lady took a picture of him looking at my chair, Like okay you are here now where is he? This is how it works these are the rules.

Cats are very disciplined in a way, they are rule followers things are a certain way and they are expected to be so. She sent me the picture and I came out. Sure enough there he was and was talking to me.

So I sat down and he did his happy leg rub thing turning upside down making me smell good like a proper cat should as I scratched his head and was treated to purrs and a smile. Satisfied with this he then lay at my feet for a while leaning up against my right foot while he watched the birds and the squirrels.

The morning past and he made sure to give both his new humans an equal share of his love by alternating whom he will lay down next to. He stretches and when he does the most marvelous long sharp white claws come out. Yet he is very gentle with us.

A little later in my clumsiness getting up I accidentally stepped on his tail. I felt something so eased up the pressure immediately and I heard the poor cat screaming like crazy as only cats can do he was circling around like crazy trying to get away from what had his tail. I jumped spilling coffee all over myself exclaiming Oh God I got his poor tail!

Never once did he hiss, Never once did he attack my foot which he very well could have. Instead as I got off his tail and apologized to him he was offended and gave me his back at first, After rubbing his back he just turned around with the calmest demeanor I have ever seen in a cat. I bent down further apologizing for getting his tail and he allowed me to rub his head and back.

Impressed I went inside and got him a special treat and came back out to him, he talked to me a little and then he took the treats out of my hand knowing I was trying to make up to him for hurting his tail.

All was good understanding was had, I sat back down and he again laid down at my feet but this time the tail was kept closer to the body This time I was much more careful getting back up and hopefully will remember to look from now on.

May 5, 2019

40 minutes ago, freeform said:

Yes to both.

They are not well known and I can not say who it is.

In the lineage of this master, ‘Awake’ is considered just the start. The ‘first contact’ with the primordial self.

I’ve also met ones going through the Jhannas that have demonstrated similar gifts. For example as I’ve mentioned, one who’s training for the 5th can pinpoint everyone else at 4th and above. This is apparently something that all those at 4th Jhanna and above can do. As a result I’ve been told how many enlightened and immortal beings are currently on earth. Pretty interesting. (Not many!)

I myself have only stabilised the 1st Jhanna. My next meeting with my Buddhist teacher is in a few years. I’m meant to be able to sit in full unwavering absorption for 72hrs - before moving on to 2nd Jhanna transmission and training... (I’m managing only tens of minutes at the moment 😄 - even if the minutes seem like hours)...

The immaterial Jhannas require weeks and months in absorption (no food, water, any movement of body or mind etc)... Can’t really imagine that

I am very pleased for you and congratulate you on your accomplishments.

10’s of minutes is really great!

Completely understood when it comes to privacy and feel happy for you to have an enlightened being teaching you.

Yes I know about the absorptions and the passage of time 3 and 4 hours can be like minutes eventually.

3 hours of Kriya and I am unfit to talk let alone interact with others and really have no desire to.

To be able to practice for 72 hours will be I hope in a regulated environment because when you come out of that, your state will be very different and you might need help.

And I can only guess as you advance under expert guidance that even the most time consuming practices will become as mere moments.

May 5, 2019

52 minutes ago, mrpasserby said:

Thanks for asking.

Is it safe to assume then that your work is to become as a guide like Anubis perhaps?

May 5, 2019

5 hours ago, freeform said:

Nope - it’s literal.

This is is not speculation or interpretation of texts, it’s from meeting one that knows everything and is omniscient. Literally.

Who is this? Even if you feel inclined not to share I will tell you this, if this be the case with that person they are enlightened beyond the Jhanas and not just awake.

May 5, 2019

14 hours ago, dwai said:

All dharmic spiritual traditions are based on this.

Take Buddhism for example. The Buddha didn’t set out to seek immortality or a rainbow body.

His immediate concern was an explanation of why people suffer, and what the purpose of life was. And to find out how we can end the suffering.

Hindu traditions consider the very cycle of birth and rebirth the greatest suffering. The nondual traditions seek to transcend this by ending the cycle (freedom), the dualistic traditions seek to transcend this by surrendering the little self to God.

Wrt suffering itself, there can be multiple levels in which it can be looked at. For some, suffering entails some physiological disorder. For others it is grinding poverty. For yet others it is mental disorders.

I’ll venture to say the greatest source of suffering in the modern world today is rampant materialism. I’m sure there tomes written on the nature of the modern society and it’s ills. So I’ll point only this one out. Materialism presupposes that happiness can be obtained by acquiring objects.

Get the fancy car/house/partner/job etc etc (fill in the blanks here) and you will be happy. But it never ends. The acquiring becomes compulsive and we jump from momentary pleasure to momentary pleasure. Along with it comes the fear of loss and the aversion to it. Pleasure begets pain. Resistance to pain causes suffering.

Really the materialistic outlook is a misplaced understanding of what happiness is, and therefore seeks it outside, in things. What is happening is that there is a primordial programming within us, which is supposed to get us to look inward, instead of being engrossed in the “world” and it’s objects. Suffering leads us towards this “inward looking”.

More later....(if there’s interest).

Keep going.

May 4, 2019

I find that all one really needs to do is be what they are and recognize the Krishna within me is the same Krishna within the form of lets say a cat. We are one and the same expressing through our souls as man and cat, we are both most comfortable with our mutual yet different comfortable illusion and if you love that which is within both communications is assured.

So many times this has been shown to me even today as a stray black cat gives and receives love and lays at my feet. Today we watched the birds and the squirrels on the porch together. It was nice.

May 4, 2019

5 minutes ago, dwai said:

I know what he’s saying. That is not the same thing.

Being the light doesn’t mean you know everything or that you become physically immortal.

But everyone is entitled to their own fantasy

Shhh don't ruin folks enthusiasm. :rolleyes:

May 4, 2019

38 minutes ago, mrpasserby said:

I am fully committed to my current course of action.

May I ask what that is? is it Kabbalah ?

May 4, 2019

19 hours ago, liminal_luke said:

I used to live in Zacatecas where rata del campo, country rat, was sometimes sold outside the market. Although generally an adventurous eater, I never sampled.

The video below is in Spanish but the pictures tell the story.

Dude I keep thinking this is going to need some serious hot sauce!

May 4, 2019

Many rivers lead to the same ocean and the more I read on this site the more convinced that the ways and means are numerous yet they all have so much in common.

May 4, 2019

2 hours ago, Jeff said:

But nothing wrong with a little kneeling, it is good for all of us.

Um yeah Catholic mass up, down, up, down, up, down they could afford to widen those kneelers and add a little padding 😇

May 4, 2019

13 hours ago, mrpasserby said:

This seems like the right thread to ask for helpful information on some recently developing questions that have come up in the course of my development toward enlightenment.

I so far didn't read anything about what is called the 1,000 petal lotus in connection with enlightenment. Can anybody share some experiences about this?

Also after I witnessed my 1,000 petal lotus had popped out I began working toward entering what I think is called by some the Jade Emperor, or what I call the 4th earth chakra, the gate keeper their humbled me by stating that I wasn't ready yet. Any help/cultivation toward me getting ready to make this transition would be appreciated?

Apologies whenever I say Fontanel that is the 7th center, the thousand petal lotus.

1st Kriya of Hariharananda can help you with this. 1st Kriya is all about purifying and energizing the 6 main centers below the 1000 Petal lotus.

From this practice you will develope.

Get with Donald Abrams he has online courses that quite frankly are very well done.

They get my approval and that is nigh unto impossible. I only wish Don has been doing this when I started.

He does not however accept many personal students maybe 1 per year and the dedication to practice must be there or else he will not waste his time or yours.

From the online courses you can learn what you need. https://www.kriyayogauniversity.com/

May 3, 2019

This is all very similar.

This part here is the very essence of first Kriya, Kriya is the Gita

9 minutes ago, dwai said:

in a state of split awareness. Like the two birds on a branch (Mundaka Upanishad). Constantly, one state was ever blissful, unattached, unruffled by ups and downs.

This is from the very start with Baba Hariharanandas Kriya right after initiation and training in fact. I know not many get this but that is to be expected with so many given such precious tools so easily. When I was first initiated and taught by Swami Atamavidyanandaji I was surprised.

During Initiation after he purified the chakras my heart center opened and I cried tears that would not stop they flowed for hours and he came to me and said the fire of Anahata burns green and smokey making the eyes water does it not? I just nodded yes and he lovingly patted my shoulder.

His by the way was the only true and real initiation I have ever received outside of the Christian Gnostices in California when I was 14 or so.

After his initiation all of the Kriya practices became alive from the very start. Very rapid changes even the physical body changed within a few weeks full Kechari mudra formed which is quite a shock. This is where the energetic takes over the physical and causes it to change.

(For those who do not Know Kechari Mudra REAL KECHARI MUDRA occurs when the energetic Channel Sushumna closes its bifurcation and becomes a single channel. The physical representative is the tongue. The tongue changes slides up behind the soft pallet going straight up in the skull it then rests in contact with the the sphenoid sinuses directly under the pituitary gland.

The energy from the crown now has a direct pathway into the body without bends or obstructions it is like unkinking a garden hose. A great gout of energy flows there is tremendous mind wiping out bliss followed by great silence.)

Have you practiced descending? I do all the time. Then I stop and see how high I rise like a hot air balloon on it's own and this gives me a true measure of attainment and not just the Spiritual High. Their is a potential problem with this and that is bypassing without even knowing it and missing the reason you are alive to begin with.

For example right now I have been practicing the third Kriya of Hariharanada which has nothing at all to do with the energy system of the lower chakras.

This is like in the Gita where the mans head is cut off so he may watch the battle unfold.

Here we are working with 5 chakras in the brain.

May 3, 2019

12 hours ago, freeform said:

I keep coming back to this point because it’s crucial.

The development that takes you further than awakening - that eventually takes it into a physical manifestation of your primordial spirit - enlightenment, is a really subtle, delicate process. It is not natural. It has been painstakingly developed, refined and passed down generation after generation.

My teachers tell me that going beyond the first Jhanna (which is the experience of awakening) - one needs a master that has achieved the next Jhanna to help you along at a point when you’re just about to break through.

Jhanna or Chan (in Chinese) is the very first step. It is accessible to all. The other 8 Jhannas are very difficult and they require precise practices, conduct and assistance by ones who have achieved them.

Sure the first one is great, but it doesn’t mean that we should let the rest die out because we already feel at peace and at ease.

Interesting so I see you are coming from a Buddhist perspective. Here is what I could find let us discuss this. Is this your interpretation as well as spelled out below not necessarily the Kriya stuff as that requires Kriya Sadhana to confirm.

I am familiar with everything written here. These states being described first occur as Meditative states while performing a practice and later become ones normal mode of operation.

These are all well known to me. My normal mode of operation however the sustained daily experience without practice does not go all the way to 8.

The 8 Jhanas
as Described in the Pali Canon
with traditional Jhana factors in bold

Rupa Jhanas

1. "There is the case where a monk -- quite secluded from sense desires, secluded from unwholesome states of mind -- enters and remains in the first Jhana which is with initial and sustained thinking and is filled with rapture and happiness born of seclusion. He drenches, steeps, saturates, and suffuses his body with this rapture and happiness so that there is no part of his entire body not suffused with rapture and happiness.

"Just as if a skilled bath attendent or his apprentice would pour soap powder into a metal basin and knead it together, sprinkling it again and again with water, so that the ball of soap powder would be filled with mostiure, encompassed by mostiure, pervaded by mosture inside and out, yet would not drip; even so, the monk drenches, steeps, saturates, and suffuses his body with the rapture and happiness born of seclusion so that there is no part of his entire body not suffused with rapture and happiness.

This in the tradition of Kriya Yoga is part of the results of first Kriya Practice first it is known while sitting and performing the practices learned from an acharya of the lineage or the guru themselves. This is when the sadhaka can perceive the very beginning of the triple divine qualities. In the tradition of my lineage stemming from Baba Hariharananda and going back into antiquity of Babaji Maharaj.

In this tradition we do not waste time with many things and rituals instead from initiation a current is passed into the student performing an initial purification of the nadis and chakras enabling the sadhaka to perceive the triple divine qualities in themselves, this works for the ripe and more slowly for the unripe.

Our way is the way of direct current, for example if you touch a live wire with current in it you will get the current immediately and the effects will be with you for a long time.

When you prepare a meal it takes time but consuming it takes little time, when you fill your vehicle with fuel it take but moments but you may drive for hundreds of miles all day long.

This practice is like that Kriya does not take long to get immediate effects, but mostly my point is it is direct and the effects are immediate and sustained afterwards invoking a permanent change over time and repeated immersion your efforts are rewarded with cash now not a check to be cashed later and there is no need for sustained tremendous effort.

2. "Further, with the stilling of initial and sustained thinking, by gaining inner tranquillity and unification of mind, he enters and remains in the second Jhana which is free from initial and sustained thinking and is filled with rapture and happiness born of concentration. He drenches, steeps, saturates, and suffuses his body with this rapture and happiness so that there is no part of his entire body not suffused with rapture and happiness.

"Just like a lake with spring-water welling up from below, having no inflow from east, west, north, or south, and with the skies [not?] periodically supplying it with rain, so that the cool spring-water welling up from below would permeate and pervade, suffuse and fill that lake with cool water, there being no part of the lake not suffused with cool water; even so, the monk drenches, steeps, saturates, and suffuses his body with the rapture and happiness born of concentration so that there is no part of his entire body not suffused with rapture and happiness.

We in Kriya call the the paravastha state of Kriya. The after effect which in time becomes permanent.

3. Further, with the fading away of rapture, remaining imperturbable, mindful, and clearly aware, he enters the third jhana and experiences within himself the joy of which the Noble Ones declare, "Happy is he who dwells with equanimity and mindfulness." He drenches, steeps, saturates, and suffuses his body with this happiness free from rapture so that there is no part of his entire body not suffused with happiness.

"Just as in a blue-, white-, or red-lotus pond, there may be some of the lotuses which, born and growing in the water, stay immersed in the water and flourish without standing up out of the water, so that they are permeated and pervaded, suffused and filled with cool water from their roots to their tips so that no part of those lotuses is not suffused with cool water; even so, the monk drenches, steeps, saturates, and suffuses his body with this happiness free from rapture so that there is no part of his entire body not suffused with happiness.

This in Kriya is further development in sustained Paravastha.

4. Further, with the abandoning of pleasure and pain -- as with the earlier disappearance of joy and sorrow -- he enters and remains in the fourth Jhana which is beyond pleasure and pain; and purified by equanimity and mindfulness. He sits, suffusing his body with a pure, bright awareness, so that there is nothing of his entire body not suffused by pure, bright awareness.

"Just as if a man were sitting wrapped from head to foot with a white cloth so that there would be no part of his body to which the white cloth did not extend; even so, the monk sits, suffusing his body with a pure, bright awareness so that there is no part of his entire body not suffused by pure, bright awareness."

This is part of the development from first Kriya and is first present while sitting in practice them later in varying degrees when not sitting.

5. With the complete transcending of bodily sensations, with the disappearance of all sense of resistance, and not heeding perceptions of diversity, thinking, 'space is infinite,' one enters and remains in the Sphere of Infinite Space.

This is present in the practice of first Kriya after Kechari has come naturally. Here one experiences Pratyahara sense withdraw as the current is pulled inwards into the Sushumna Nadi.

6.With the complete transcending of the Sphere of Infinite Space, thinking, 'consciousness is infinite,' one enters and remains in the Sphere of Infinite Consciousness.

This also is present in the practice of first Kriya after Kechari has come naturally.

7.With the complete transcending of the Sphere of Infinite Consciousness, thinking, 'There is no-thing,' one enters and remains in the Sphere of No-thingness.

This also is present in the practice of first Kriya after Kechari has come naturally, this occurs in the active paravastha which leads to the paravastha state in waking moving daily life and develops over the years.

8. With the complete transcending of the Sphere of No-thingness, one enters and remains in the Sphere of Neither Perception nor Non-perception."

This is the description of Nirvakalpa Samadhi. Here there is not heartbeat and no breath and no words no matter how elegantly put forth can touch this.

Because we are discussing this it can be said that these 8 are all encountered in formal seated states that practices (in my case Kriya of Baba Hariharananda) the practices themselves set the conditions for the Jhanas to arse, first they are known while sitting in absorption and later they become ones standard operating system as the code of being becomes rewritten.

It is a agreed the practices are contrived and are handed down from a golden era without doubt.

It is further agreed that the practices must be done regularly to continue to deepen and form the non- contrived lasting natural way of being.

It has not been noted but the practices are entirely un-necessary as well. If given innumerable reincarnations the same will occur in it's own good time, the very living itself does this albeit at a ponderous pace requiring millions of births and rebirths.

How many we have all had to get to this discussion?

As for me I said raise your hand those who are enlightened having some fun with that and enjoying the answers.

If we use the 8 Jhanas and use the functional non sitting absorption practices but rather the resulting continuous state of operating after the fact we can see that there is not a black or white this or that all or nothing.

No rather there is fluctuation as well as sliding up and down the scale.

When seated in formal Kriya Practice I generally stop around 7 to go further is to go into 8 which I have many times but there is a danger here one will not return. There is no heartbeat, there is no breathing. There is hatred to return from this. No one may ever tell this truth because it is not something that sells well.

8. I have decided since it has been experienced and is known will be practiced one more time in this life and that will be during my Maha Samadhi.

I am familiar with everything written here. These states being described first occur as Meditative states while performing a practice and later become ones normal mode of operation.

These are all well known to me. My normal mode of operation however the sustained daily experience without practice does not go all the way to 8.

The 8 Jhanas
as Described in the Pali Canon
with traditional Jhana factors in bold

Rupa Jhanas

"There is the case where a monk -- quite secluded from sense desires, secluded from unwholesome states of mind -- enters and remains in the first Jhana which is with initial and sustained thinking and is filled with rapture and happiness born of seclusion. He drenches, steeps, saturates, and suffuses his body with this rapture and happiness so that there is no part of his entire body not suffused with rapture and happiness.