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A very long time ago, I was living in a city. A storm came through which was wreaking some havoc, and I was mumbling to myself about not even being able to see the lightning through the windows. I was standing near a window watching the driving rain, and then the world went electric and white as lightning struck right outside the window. I said, "thank you," and ceased my complaints.

Why would you site Osho as a counterpoint?

Or confusion.. I think we'll get along just fine.. Glad you're here.

I kinda like flamboyant.. hiya @Lord Josh Allen

If he feels like speaking for himself, I'm sure he will.

Hi Lukey, I'd just like to point out, I didn't enter this thread with some agenda. I was tagged, and I responded. I'm finding the dynamics interesting...

Psst ralis, he's a kriyaban; not a Buddhist.

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You do understand I was referring to a particular situation where there was no sex and no thought of sex on my part - which Jeff "read" as sexual and then placed on me, as if I was some initiator of something only he could see, yes? Jeff claimed me to be having astral sex with him, at a time I was very much focused on my mundane everyday life. Which brings me to a narrative I don't particularly like.. where in an individual claims astral sight, and then tells another they're doing something the individual can "see," and if there is any disagreement it is patently explained to the individual like they're a five year old that they're simply not at a level to see, and should trust in the vision of the seer and believe whatever story is being woven about them. I've seen others do this here as well, and it generally appears rather manipulative and domineering to me. Thank you for taking on a more conversational tone. Is this what you believe I did, or are you speaking generally? Personally, I think Jeff should acknowledge his own issues, and leave the sexual talk out of his interactions.

Yes star, I got the whole "pay attention to me NOW" bit .. Couldn't really miss it.. Mommy is going to work now, try to be a good boy.

My apologies dear ralis; if you had experienced what I did, you may find laughter occasionally bubbling up as well.. One day he messaged me to ask if I was finding amusement in giving him huge breasts and making him try to walk in heels while he was in a business meeting. I laughed then too. BTW This was, once again, his image - not mine.

Cheya, it was right on point for me. He made many claims, and I wanted some outward verification of these claims. Because you are not a "see'er," your interactions are reflective of his manner of responding to this. And as you've pointed out above, you are not privy to how he has interacted with others - including myself. For you it was the energy experience and not words, however with me he did paint with both images and words. And not being privy to the personal interactions you cannot (effectively for me) blanket my experience with the above assertion. Why would there be a need to keep this "it" straight (if it wasn't a bit twisty)? I do agree with the practice of staying with one's own experience, but this whole inciting winds in others... you see it as facilitation, I see it as manipulation dependent upon a narrative you must apply effort to to keep straight. I'm very familiar with this narrative, however one day while something not so pleasant was occurring in real life, Jeff wrote me asking about a particular sexual position he believed me to be enacting with his blonde. There was no sex on my end, and no thought of sex. For myself, I tried to explain this away as his interpretation of lower chakra life stuff... But this speaks to his mind interpreting things as sex. And it happened more than once. So with you female deities were not limited to consorts, or they were still only serving to help others grow energetically? I'm not sure you've answered my questions, but I'm not sure you understand them either, and I'll take the blame for this, while saying I don't know how else to ask. I believe with some his interactions create issues, and sometimes the issues are his own.

This is kinda what we're trying to discuss here.. We don't know, not a single one of us, apparently including Jeff. To some it has been only rose petals, to others the thorns..

To be fair, I laughed as well, it was funny the way you wrote it.

Laughing Such audacity and assuredness.. None? Interesting your dream work is taken as affirmation, while another's waking experience is written off as a dream.. Both Bindi and myself have done just what you are suggesting nobody has done.. but I suppose the word "fucktards" is some special magical word somehow meant to strengthen your assertions and we should tremble at your astuteness..

I have a question, Has anyone had any experience with feminine diety with Jeff which he didn't label "consort type"? This was a phase he used with me, and would "connect" with said diety, yet no feminine wisdom ever seemed to flow through the tips of his fingers, to the keyboard, and my awaiting eyes. So I'm curious what others experience has been. Is it always sex/connection and/or merging? And does anyone having any experience of Jeff offering profound wisdom as the diety?

I.e. stop discussing or duking it out or whatever it is you're doing which has diverted your attention from me.. look at me, look at me :pats star on the head: Yes, dear, I'm right here.. it's ok, you haven't ceased to exist because people weren't paying attention to you. You bored and naughty little boy calling people names again.

Thanks. May I ask what this "transmitting" looks like to you. What are the indications you are transmitting? And, although this may sound rude (which isn't my intent), why have you chosen to map your experience to Jeff's framework? I agree with the so much baggage part, and wonder why it still appears to be utilized with the inherent baggage. My recollection wasn't meant to negate how you experience, but correlates with thoughts I had at the time of feeling instead of seeing offering some protection from what I consider the oddness which can sometimes be presented.

Hi Cheya, I remember when Jeff asked you to reach out and touch him, and then tell him what you see, and how you responded very directly about not seeing. And even with the not seeing, you much later made a post about how you believed you were finally understanding what Jeff was referring to when he would talk to you about going male, and how this was something confusing to you in the past. This confusion is what I'd like to address, and acknowledge. Perhaps you know where the post I'm referring to is? I'd like to read it again.

Apparently you missed the answer:

No need to feed the attention seeking behavior.

I'm glad you found teachers to instruct you verbally.

This is good. You've posted all over multiple forums about how your teacher taught without speaking (much), like a true sage. So, aside from calling you out on juvenile behavior in a humorous manner (related to your own calling others out as juveniles), what precisely do you believe I made up. All you had to do was type in "dick" in the search window, you silly little boy. Here it is, as easy to find as typing 4 letters:

Yes, and you and your group seem to be rather attached to ideas about Jeff. And one of the ways this attachment manifests is in a focus on the attachments of individuals not aligning themselves with this strongly held idea/ideal. Yes, except... I don't recall you ever being accused of this (astral rape), but perhaps I'm wrong.. Then again, it could be your own attachment to Jeff and taking accusations against him as personally against you. In any case, it only serves to highlight how you justify your attachment and reactivity, while denouncing others for what you perceive as theirs. How did you guys treat Lori when the post was initially made BTW? She's here and is able to speak for herself. Unless of course, you feel a need to gaslight her experience.. Rarely. And what is the manner of answer when you do? And, out of curiosity, in your opinion, what is the reason people "attack" your "us"? What is the underlying theme of these "attacks"? What is the common denominator? And what circumstances precipitate them? Why would you, until now I haven't said much. We can just ignore the present flurry of PMs falling like so much snow these days.. "Even after being warned?" When did any of you "warn" me about anything? But let me guess, you are either talking about my previous practice of looping (what I called a rather simple Tonglen practice) or your conjecture on my interactions with others (one other in particular). Go ahead, bring them up directly instead of alluding to warnings which never happened and your "higher" stance in regard to what little you know. It's just another red herring, and I neither "loop", nor even enter chatrooms anymore. Recruit is my word, what you typed was about me not bringing people to Jeff. Perhaps you don't remember, but as you accused me of being a little spider on the wall in the same conversation, and nobody said anything, I was not only taken aback (concluding what you presented to indeed be, if not expected then at least, accepted), and the emotion left a little karmic seed of memory. If you slow down, perhaps you'll recall it was about the long quotes from past masters - which somehow I would become aware of even while sleeping. Remember, you started putting them in the reveal hidden contents window, so people could decide to open them or not? And what on earth does this have to do with the conversation? Not me, the others. This goes back to empowering them. I haven't made anything up, although you seem to have a selective memory, or rather selective forgetfulness. I believe entanglements are created in the "helping," and would prefer a more empowering/less dependent approach. See Tom, here's the thing, what is left when the narrative is gone? What is it sustaining the narrative, and what purpose does it serve? As my dad liked to say, "no shit Sherlock." You are welcome; just remember empowerment and not dependence please. No, he's just the "battery pack" according to his analogy. This would imply (to the recipients of this message) he's the powerful battery they would need a jump start (for their weaker batteries) from to reach "higher levels." Seemed more narrative than perspective, but thanks for joining the discussion.

I like this.. thanks for sharing your experience and insight.