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IME there is within us a subtle female energy/spirit/channel and a subtle male energy/spirit/channel, and when these two energies are cultivated they do actually produce a subtle energy ‘child’, associated with the central channel.

What I do or do not concern myself with is thankfully entirely up to me and not what you opine.

People say and repeat a lot of things that aren’t quite right, but if enough people repeat it after a while it can be presented as truth. Hear it directly from one of your five kundalini masters and it should read a bit differently to the above. I can’t respond to this until I’ve experienced this stage, so I’ll bookmark the above sentence.

I think there is a difference between kundalini awakening and actualising the full potential of kundalini. Kundalini may be woken up, and strive hopelessly to rise, creating all sorts of havoc in the process. Actualising the full potential of kundalini requires access to the subtlest channel, which is generally impossible without years of work.

I think all the locks and keys and checks and balances are on the channels, not kundalini itself, opening the channels the right way with the right keys at the right time becomes the quest, whilst the lock that’s keeping kundalini packed away can be tampered with before any channel clearing quest even begins.

I get that only a handful of people might have awakened their kundalini and raised it through the correct channel and reached their full potential, but I am not ready to write off the possibility that some people might have awakened their kundalini prematurely and inappropriately, without having access to the correct channel, and that this might lead to all sorts of problems or restricted achievement. Winds/prana/qi versus kundalini, I’d have to have subtle sight, which I don’t have, to really say which it is.

I have to ask, why are you claiming their ‘facts and misconceptions’ are 100% bullshit, specifically?

It might be worth reading this site and contacting them http://kundalinicare.com/features-if-a-kundalini-rising/

Maybe he was an ancestor, maybe not, I’d have to research it more to know for sure.

“Shangdi” (Chinese: 上帝; pinyin: Shàngdì), the “Supreme Deity" or "Highest Deity" found in Classical Chinese texts is a good candidate for the “singular universal deity” of Christianity. “Shangdi" is the word used for the God of Abrahamic religions. Evidence for Original Monotheism in Ancient China …Thong has undertaken to discern God’s attributes as communicated in the Chinese classics using Legge’s complete and unaltered translation. In his book, Faith of Our Fathers, Thong provides evidence from the Chinese classics that Shang Di is sovereign, eternal, immutable, powerful, all-knowing, ever-present, and infinite. Similarly, Thong shows that the moral attributes of Shang Di include love, holiness, grace, faithfulness, goodness, mercy, compassion, and justice.7 Thong concludes that Shang Di is the one true Creator God of the Hebrews revealed in the Bible, known from the earliest times of Chinese civilization… https://reasons.org/explore/blogs/voices/evidence-for-original-monotheism-in-ancient-china

I seriously wonder if there was an ‘original neidan’ which was then mistaken for waidan, and then re-conceived as neidan.

What would you call the killing of Shias by Sunni’s, and the Shia reprisal killings? Are they Racist or Xenophobic? Are these killings the will of God? Are all muslims right but some muslims are more right than others?

God set my mind against the Koran, so I am the true follower of God, and the one who is actually correct because my mind is gods mind. Simples.

Correct. So why on earth would you believe he was privy to the word of God? Do you believe in a God that supports murder, theft and rape? This is a very strange concept of the ultimate to me. Wiki-Islam’s List of Killings Ordered or Supported by Muhammad - I doubt you would try to debate their veracity. How do you justify that this is from “God”, shouldn’t “God” represent the best, not the worst of mankind? https://wikiislam.net/wiki/List_of_Killings_Ordered_or_Supported_by_Muhammad So you’re Muslim and socialist/communist? But it’s ok when Muhammad murders, steals and rapes, just not when capitalists do (*if they even do, and it’s not some personal grievance you have with capitalist society). If it’s not ok for capitalists* it shouldn’t be ok for Muhammad, or you should say it’s ok for both, can’t have your cake and eat it too.

FWIW Re: teachers, I agree, you would have to be phenomenal to know the way without a teacher. Having said that, I don’t know how many teachers would actually know the way, so I tend to agree with you, but I also acknowledge TT’s position. What is needed is a phenomenal teacher, and they’re rare as hen’s teeth.

Not the word of God, merely all too human retrospective justification for his cowardly act. The Koran is full of justifications for Muhammad getting things his way.

And I keep mentioning Sufism though I’m not a Sufi. And from a Sufi (Hafez) and my idea of a mystic, this poem - I Have Learned So Much I Have Learned So much from God That I can no longer Call Myself A Christian, a Hindu, a Muslim, a Buddhist, a Jew. The Truth has shared so much of Itself With me That I can no longer call myself A man, a woman, an angel, Or even a pure Soul. Love has Befriended Hafiz so completely It has turned to ash And freed Me Of every concept and image my mind has ever known. From: ‘The Gift’ Translated by Daniel Ladinsky I could read Sufi poems all day, and have done so on occasion

To even the playing field… “… There are often good and bad variants of any given religion. For instance, there are moderate versions of Christianity and Islam that promote qualities like a sense of community and a moral code that fosters ethical behavior. These ideas can be beneficial to the host organism, i.e., the religious-practicing individual. At the same time, there are harmful variants of Islam and Christianity—specifically the rigid fundamentalist versions—that cause the host mind to process information in a biased way, think irrationally, and become delusional.” https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mind-in-the-machine/201810/how-religious-fundamentalism-hijacks-the-brain

By and large most muslims are likely to be good people, just like most people anywhere are likely to be good people, but the Koran itself will always inevitably lead some to violence, I don’t see how it couldn’t. What use is there in a book that not only condones but encourages violence and war and killing in 2022? Violent Verses in the Quran Quran (2:191-193) Quran (2:244) Quran (2:216) Quran (3:56) Quran (4:74) Quran (4:76) Quran (4:89) Quran (4:101) Quran (4:104) Quran (5:33) Quran (8:12) Quran (8:15) Quran (8:39) Quran (8:57) Quran (8:59-60) Quran (8:65) Quran (9:5) Quran (9:14) Quran (9:29) Quran (9:30) Quran (9:38-39) Quran (9:41) Quran (9:73) Quran (9:88) Quran (9:111) Quran (9:123) Quran (17:16) Quran (25:52) Quran (33:60-62) Quran (47:3-4) Quran (47:35) Quran (48:17) Quran (48:29) Quran (61:4) Quran (61:10-12) Quran (66:9)

More than likely my view of Islam is coloured by Islamic fundamentalism. This is an article by a Pakistani man living in a fundamentalist country http://www.radicalsocialist.in/articles/world-politics/716-religious-fundamentalism-in-muslim-countries, I believe this is the truth of the matter, and as a result I tend to be very wary of anyone who seeks truth in the Koran that is also used to justify Islamic fundamentalism. I have read the Koran, and I have been duly horrified by the amount of killing that was recommended, I believe the Koran was written in a harsher and more violent era, and that there is no use for it in more enlightened times. Seeing only the positives of the Koran is to ignore a large part of it and a large part of Muhammad’s own violence, no matter how compassionately he liked to portray himself. Any religion that is formed whilst killing people who are critical of it is hardly a recipe for spiritual growth. That very intolerance is still alive within Islam today, and I believe it can only be fully removed when the injunction to kill the kafirs and the apostates and the critics is taken as an internal directive as the Sufi’s do and not an external one as Islamic fundamentalists do. Most muslims are decent people, and there are some good values in the Koran, but unfortunately there are also some bad values. Which aspect is amplified will depend on a multitude of factors including things such as education level, family and friends, religiosity, socioeconomic status, as well as what is espoused by the dominant religion in any particular place. IMO it’s a credit to natural human nature that so many muslims are decent folk, despite the negative material that can be found in the Koran and in the prophet’s life. I’m not coming from a position that the Christian bible or Christianity is better than the Koran.

Islam seems more likely to create morality police (see Iran) and killing machines (eg. Islamic State) than mystics. Admittedly Sufism as a mystical sect of Islam has developed something beautiful in their interpretation of Islam, but from what I’ve read Sufis are barely tolerated by muslims. I’ve seen inclusive religious statements from the West readily refer to Sufism as positive, but rarely Islam. Yes all Sufis are Muslim, but most certainly not all Muslims are Sufi. Islamic State goes so far as to see Sufis as heretics and tries to destroy them. https://www.smh.com.au/world/to-the-world-they-are-muslims-to-islamic-state-sufis-are-heretics-20171126-gzsytx.html I would more easily agree with your statement above if you switched Islam to Sufism.

I’ve been reading a bit about about Saiva Siddhanta which is classed as dualist as opposed to non-dualist, and I see certain statements that appeal to me, for instance: “Prelude to the descent of divine liberating wisdom into the soul is purification of the soul by removal of impurities (malaparipakam).” I always like methods which look at cleaning/clearing within, it’s in the Neiye “Clean/clear the heart/mind/Xin, and the numinous spirit will come. It’s also in the external yellow court scripture “Cleanse the heart/mind/Xin to self-heal rather than wither from impurity.” Both the Neiye and the external yellow court scripture also refer to the descent of something important into the heart/mind/Xin/soul, in the Neiye “the numinous spirit will come,” in the yellow court “From above, the Heavenly Qi is received, granting increased life. In Christianity there is also the ‘Holy Spirit’ descends from above. Very likely confirmation bias is operating here, I believe in cleaning/clearing within, and I gather quotes to support this view. But there is also the further stage that these few references above speak about, the holy thing that comes into the purified vessel, the thing beyond that is not “I”, the thing greater than “I”, which perhaps defines an important difference between dualism and non-dualism.

This is in and of itself a very interesting topic, Soma/Amrita/Elixir being an entirely physical substance, and part of the overall operation of the developed subtle body. Going beyond any one particular school of thought, I understand this elixir is what the Shakti aspect desires and requires, and the journey is all about bringing these two elements together.

Emotions are the path but not the destination.

Thankfully young educated muslims are themselves starting to question Islam: Why are young Muslims leaving Islam A new generation of educated Muslims is starting to question the fundamentals of their faith https://www.telegraphindia.com/india/why-are-young-muslims-leaving-islam/cid/1704203