Bindi

I personally feel that to truly let go of something it needs to be brought into consciousness, and worked on, and resolved first, then it can naturally fall away.

Maybe Jung was just being poetic in contrasting darkness to light, I think your version is equally correct but not as catchy

To me it's not about dwelling on the negative things, but noticing the negative emotions/states that hijack me, and making them conscious, which allows them to be removed. Things like fear, shame, anger, ego etc, I am strongly of the opinion that these hijackers cannot be removed by 'imagining figures of light', but have to be addressed directly. The alternative, imagining figures of light, will only bury the hijackers deeper, more hidden from the world and self perhaps (for a while), but ultimately more in control.

“One does not become enlightened by imagining figures of light, but by making the darkness conscious.” - C.G. Jung

I would say Dao represents itself within as the golden fetus.

I think yes as well, the natural path will correspond with Dao. Is neidan the expression of Dao?

Can you still be following Dao if you're not following Daoism?

Daeluin, can you elaborate a little on the fire phase and the water phase? I come at it from a different method, but I have found that concentrating only on water, the fire seems to naturally arise at the appropriate times, there appears to be no need to concentrate on fire at all.

dou itashimashite wan wan

No need to extreme grovel on my behalf Nungali san, but out of compassion for you I order you into the dog house for a week, to sleep on pine needles and bark occasionally to signal that you are still alive.

And good is real bad, A broken mirror on the wall, “who is the proudest of them all?”

I consider ego to be educable, as long as ego accepts that ultimately it must focus on Self and not on mind or its own gain. This would still be perceived as death of the ego by the ego.

The power of the Spirit as the extra element needed to bring ego and mind into right relation with Self, but then can mind and ego not work to be brought into right relation with Spirit initially?

I do admire anyone that shows that much determination though. My subconscious must have been impressed with their determination as well, because I was telling a couple of friends about it in a dream.

My attempt to understand the concept of unconditional love - To the extent that my mind and ego treat my Self with contempt is synonymous with the extent to which my mind and ego treat others with contempt, and vice versa. The extent to which my mind and ego are able to accept the role and authority of my Self is the extent to which my mind and ego can accept the value of others Selves unconditionally.

So are you thinking that kundalini should not be woken or raised? That it happens naturally and appropriately around the time of death? In these terms could this be the point of the whole exercise, working towards being connected with THS so that when kundalini does rise fully and burn the physical etheric double, THS fills that space and creates a new 'spiritual' etheric double?

I'm starting to think that both streams might be as important as each other, two different energies, one downwards, the other upwards, in an orbit that complement each other. A balance.

Have you ever read some of the stuff Jesus supposedly said about the Pharisees? And he was the model Christian, but apparently he was allowed to have an opinion about the people he saw around him. Not that I claim to be a Christian anyway. Matt 23:13-36 13-14 You Pharisees and teachers of the Law of Moses are in for trouble! You’re nothing but show-offs. You lock people out of the kingdom of heaven. You won’t go in yourselves, and you keep others from going in.[b] 15 You Pharisees and teachers of the Law of Moses are in for trouble! You’re nothing but show-offs. You travel over land and sea to win one follower. And when you have done so, you make that person twice as fit for hell as you are. 16 You are in for trouble! You are supposed to lead others, but you are blind. You teach that it doesn’t matter if a person swears by the temple. But you say that it does matter if someone swears by the gold in the temple. 17 You blind fools! Which is greater, the gold or the temple that makes the gold sacred? 18 You also teach that it doesn’t matter if a person swears by the altar. But you say that it does matter if someone swears by the gift on the altar. 19 Are you blind? Which is more important, the gift or the altar that makes the gift sacred? 20 Anyone who swears by the altar also swears by everything on it.21 And anyone who swears by the temple also swears by God, who lives there. 22 To swear by heaven is the same as swearing by God’s throne and by the one who sits on that throne. 23 You Pharisees and teachers are show-offs, and you’re in for trouble! You give God a tenth of the spices from your garden, such as mint, dill, and cumin. Yet you neglect the more important matters of the Law, such as justice, mercy, and faithfulness. These are the important things you should have done, though you should not have left the others undone either. 24 You blind leaders! You strain out a small fly but swallow a camel. 25 You Pharisees and teachers are show-offs, and you’re in for trouble! You wash the outside of your cups and dishes, while inside there is nothing but greed and selfishness. 26 You blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of a cup, and then the outside will also be clean. 27 You Pharisees and teachers are in for trouble! You’re nothing but show-offs. You’re like tombs that have been whitewashed.[c] On the outside they are beautiful, but inside they are full of bones and filth. 28 That’s what you are like. Outside you look good, but inside you are evil and only pretend to be good. 29 You Pharisees and teachers are nothing but show-offs, and you’re in for trouble! You build monuments for the prophets and decorate the tombs of good people. 30 And you claim that you would not have taken part with your ancestors in killing the prophets. 31 But you prove that you really are the relatives of the ones who killed the prophets. 32 So keep on doing everything they did. 33 You are nothing but snakes and the children of snakes! How can you escape going to hell? 34 I will send prophets and wise people and experts in the Law of Moses to you. But you will kill them or nail them to a cross or beat them in your meeting places or chase them from town to town. 35 That’s why you will be held guilty for the murder of every good person, beginning with the good man Abel. This also includes Barachiah’s son Zechariah,[d] the man you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36 I can promise that you people living today will be punished for all these things!

An example of an actual Christian mystic and ascetic, “St. Seraphim’s life consisted chiefly of prayer,” in a hermitage, partaking of the Eucharist on Saturday’s and feast days (until the day he considered himself unworthy). As a hermit he was “tempted by the spirit of darkness” which could only “be overcome by prayer”. He became known as a miracle worker and healer, capable of healing extreme physical conditions with a single word, and taught that the goal of Christian life was to do good works done for Christ that lead to the acquisition of the Holy Spirit. I have never heard of a physical healing that Jeff has performed and I have asked, I have never heard of an authenticated miracle that he has performed and I have asked, he has never mentioned the importance of prayer or the Eucharist, he never mentions the necessity of doing good works for Christ, and he never mentions that this is how to acquire the Holy Spirit. He does on the other hand talk about light bodies and light transmission an awful lot, and initiate anyone who wants into an ecstatic kundalini adventure which takes mere months to achieve, no prayer needed, no good works needed, not even a Christian belief is necessary, polytheism is absolutely acceptable. Jeff is no Christian mystic, even though he believes in a gnostic Jesus, this does not qualify him as a Christian mystic. Quotes from http://www.symeon-anthony.info/StSeraphimSarov/StSeraphimSarov.htm

Look, if you want to be involved in that, that's your issue, but mystical Christianity it aint, and I would challenge you or anyone else to demonstrate in what way any of this could for a moment be imagined as mystical Christianity.

I believe you focus on kundalini practices. I think your ‘light transmission’ is a kundalini practice. ‘Lighting someone’s candle’ is activating their kundalini. You’re not the first to do this, and nor will you be the last. There is clearly a place for it amongst people who want to go down that road for various reasons (eg., MIME), though I personally don’t think it is valuable to cultivate kundalini directly, and I cite Ramana’s views on this, not Western narrow-mindedness. But my personal view on the value of kundalini activation is not my issue here, my underlying issue is you claiming kundalini activation and merging to be mystical Christianity (or Rainbow Body, or Buddhist light body, or Daoist light body, or Rigpa, or Bodhicitta, or The Holy Spirit, or any of the other high end experiences that you cite). How many Christians mystical or otherwise do you know that identify their highest self as a sexy Blonde Female and encourage others to visualise them as this if they can’t see it directly, who directly manipulate other’s kundalini energy, who work with other’s chakras, who invoke a pantheon of deities and entities both Christian and non-Christian to be present, and who merge astral energies with others during light transmissions in internet chat rooms? I don’t see how you can in all honesty identify yourself as a Christian mystic, when the only Christian bit left is Jesus, and a decidedly gnostic Jesus at that, who believes and says the decidedly gnostic Christian things that you believe.

Light Transmission is directly associated with kundalini energy flows, and a kundalini connection between two or more people is not prayer. Prayer is not associated with kundalini, and Christ or the Father do not communicate with kundalini. This whole argument is just so futile, Jeff's transmission has parked itself here and continues to be couched in holy words, both Christian and Buddhist, and those that fall for it will apparently defend his nonsense to the end.

PSALM 78:21 When the Lord heard them, he was very angry; his fire broke out against Jacob, and his wrath rose against Israel ISAIAH 66:16 For with fire and with his sword the Lord will execute judgment upon all men, and many will be those slain by the Lord. Luke 12,49-51"I have come to cast fire upon the earth; and how I wish it were already kindled! 50"But I have a baptism to undergo, and how distressed I am until it is accomplished! 51"Do you suppose that I came to grant peace on earth? I tell you, no, but rather division;… LUKE 9:54-56 54When His disciples James and John saw this, they said, "Lord, do You want us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them?" 55But He turned and rebuked them, and said, "You do not know what kind of spirit you are of; 56for the Son of Man did not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them."

I disagree that Mystical Christianity would ever be associated with light transmission or merging, or with any gnostic version of Jesus whatsoever. A Christian mystic would seek a direct personal relationship with Jesus, but through prayer and contemplation, probably through the Eucharist, probably as a renunciate, and perhaps through a Mystical Christian community. But a Christian Mystic who was drawn to light transmission and gnostic writings would surely renounce Christian mysticism in favour of Christian Gnosticism. Surely if it looks like a gnostic, and sounds like a gnostic, it probably is a gnostic. I understand you might be uncomfortable with some gnostic beliefs and practices, but you can’t just claim to be a mystical Christian when you actually practice gnostic Christianity. You never quote Christian mystics, but only Christian gnostics, as well as Christian texts that you imagine refer to light bodies, and Buddhist texts that tend to refer to light bodies. You have a current thread about Light Bodies, and I referred earlier to your thread about transmission, these are all gnostic topics. What do you think mystical Christian beliefs entail?

"Transmission is a component of many traditions, but it a major component of the inner (or mystical) aspects of the gnostic Christian tradition. Transmissions can be "sent" by divine beings and also masters or adepts of the tradition. There are two main types of transmission. The lower form is at the level of the "mind" and is often called a mindtransmission. The higher form is at the level of the heart (or inner heart) and is often called a "light" transmission." http://thedaobums.com/topic/31514-transmission-in-christian-mysticism/#entry474399 Why should I not believe you are gnostic when you describe your transmission as in the gnostic Christian tradition? Also you defer to the gnostic Malachi to answer my question. Also of course you quote the gnostic gospel of Thomas all the time. So quite simply I was led to believe you are gnostic, and TBH I'm surprised that you have disagreed, I thought you self identified as gnostic after reading Malachi. At least if I have assumed, there was a fairly solid basis upon which to hang my assumptions.