Bindi

Part of my method for dream work is to “feel the feeling” after the dream has been interpreted to the best of one’s ability, which I did by recreating the dream in my mind and allowing myself as much as possible to re-enter the feeling created by the dream image. Doing this for decades, slowly getting better at it, allows the full force of a feeling to be experienced over time, and really this is what a fully open emotional channel is. Rumi’s poem captures the work perfectly - The Guest House Rumi Translated by Coleman Barks This being human is a guest house. Every morning a new arrival. A joy, a depression, a meanness, some momentary awareness comes as an unexpected visitor. Welcome and entertain them all! Even if they’re a crowd of sorrows, who violently sweep your house empty of its furniture, still, treat each guest honorably. He may be clearing you out for some new delight. The dark thought, the shame, the malice, meet them at the door laughing, and invite them in. Be grateful for whoever comes, because each has been sent as a guide from beyond.

Nadi’s and channels show up in dreams, think streams and rivers in various degrees of water flow for Ida/yin channel, and corridors that are dark and stifling or light and airy and open to fire for pingala/yang channel. For chakras it’s helpful to build upon Edgar cayces assertion that the glands are the physical underpinnings of the chakras. Dantians are a curious phenomenon, they’re like forgotten architecture in our subtle energy bodies that can be developed by very specific processes, I propose that evidence of dantians that are working are things like directed qi healing from the palms. This is measurable, it can be studied in a very strict manner, I’d happily take part in that experiment if anyone ever wanted to set it up. All of the above is visible to someone with “direct sight”. This is the frontier of human consciousness and awareness, multiple groups have knowledge of these systems, including Indian tantrics and yogis, Tibetan Buddhists, early neidan practitioners, there may be more.

I propose 2 new categories of study, the science of spirituality and the science of the subtle energy body. It involves mapping the realities of spirituality and the subtle body, and it’s not on an I reckon or I’ve heard basis, but aims to be as close as possible to the scientific method. in this study there can be such a thing as established truth that can be built upon and discussed, competing hypotheses can be presented, and disputes are inevitable and valuable as they directly contribute to an increasing body of knowledge of reality. As an analogy, if someone claims in conversation that the earth is flat, the World Trade Center was an American government false flag operation, or Jewish space lasers caused a hurricane, can we call these positions out, or do we have to respect individual beliefs?

I have an idea that sometimes what can seem precognitive might actually be karmic moments that are bound to happen as part of working out karma.

Just to clarify, the part of a person that can project its image somewhere else is actually the subtle energy body, which could be described as the spirit body. It’s merely the spiritual plane visible to physical eyes. It might not even be possible, it’s just one of the standard tests of spiritual achievement claims.

if you’re told that spaciousness and stillness is what we should be looking for, and you find spaciousness and stillness, then you can think you have arrived at what you believe to be the destination. But what if this as a destination is more like a model of consciousness, and as with all models they fray at the edges, and new comprehension of consciousness dawns. You believe your achievement is absolute, but it might be as primitive one day as the belief that rain gods needed to be sacrificed to to cause rain. You are working within the model you believe in, but in the future that model might have advanced significantly. From my perspective your model is incomplete because it doesn’t create flow in the subtle nadi’s, ie. the side channels and the central channel, it doesn’t activate chakras, it doesn’t build dantians, it seems mind based as opposed to subtle body based. My end point is direct seeing, resting upon one’s subtle body reality, of measurable, ascertainable things, within all levels of the body.

None of this is testable, anyone can imagine anything, but it doesn’t make it so. A legitimate test needs to be demonstrated, repeatable, and outside of subjective unprovable reporting. My test, appear in my lounge room, is an observable event, if I can describe what you look like afterwards, or you can describe what I look like, that would be a fairly convincing demonstration of unusual ability. Can you think of something along these sort of lines that you’re capable of?

I think the images that are used in dreams are very much based on conditioning and experience, but the plot of dreams is the objective part, I have found that dreams mirror the state of our psyche, subtle body and physical body without our subjective sense of our selves interfering. For instance ten people see a movie about a boat, a few of them have a dream of a boat, and all of those write it off as just the movie affecting them. But in each dream the boat does something different, one boat sinks, one loses its steering, one is moved by waves running parallel to the shore, one is speeding along a river. I see dreams as an incredible resource, but they come without an operators manual, at this point I think some of us are trying to write that manual. I’ve been at it for forty years so far, and I’ve found it to be a fascinating journey into all the levels of me. The objective reality I’m referring to is this objective mirror, the dream plot is delivered to my conscious mind without interference from my conscious mind. This is the most objective I can be about the nature of my own reality, which is what I’ve chosen to examine.

what are some of these experiments?

You take a leap of faith assuming that Laitg himself has the capabilities he claims. Put a claim to the test, the classic is ‘appear in my lounge room’ for people who claim special talents. But other tests might be better. Why would anyone just believe a claim without it being substantiated, unless you’re buying a bridge for sale?

Throwing away scientific ‘stories’ Is not necessarily wise. The Dalai Lama, a fairly respected Buddhist, is quite interested in science - I think reality is more interesting and more nuanced than just letting all stories go.

The human mind can know more than it does, but it needs extra parts of our system to be developed. I agree, it’s both hard, maybe even impossible, and if one could do it I think it could be dangerous. Following my trajectory, a higher consciousness is installed before the mental/emotional level is let go of.

What is “contriving of reality”?

Absolutely. Same, I’m not looking for absolute truth, but I am interested in exploring my inner potential in both mind and subtle energy body. In the absence of direct perception dreams are my best way of doing that.

What is not impermanent within?

How do you ascertain the truth?

dreams will use your symbols, but they’ll use them to make an objective snapshot of you. Here’s a challenge, share a dream here and we can analyse it, see if it holds any objective value for you.

A good question, what is a bulwark against delusion. Not a person, but I have always used dreams as the bulwark. Rising from the subconscious, untouched by subjective beliefs, dreams are as close as I’ve come to objective reality.

I mean an upgrade in our perceptual system. A more direct perception, literally. I believe any information you have gained from within your system is beneficial, awareness of your system is the organism being aware of its own functioning, and being aware of its own functioning we as the organism can improve our functioning.

The soul of the soul may know itself, but it’s my awareness of what the soul of the soul knows that allows the system to shift. Knowing the rule doesn’t affect the system, believing the information is of zero benefit.

I am my body, I am my subtle energy body, and I am the consciousness in my body, but this consciousness is currently more limited than its potential. I see us as evolving beings, taking who knows how many thousands of years, to step into our consciousness potential, which is not emptiness or the absolute or pure beingness but a biologically based extension of perception capacity. A multitude of different peoples efforts will lead us to our next evolutionary step, with many missteps on the way. But the people who step in the right direction will slowly create a surer path for those that follow. We’re all part of the great evolutionary experiment. I agree our consciousness can be our only object of attention, but what we attend to within this pursuit can make all the difference. If you’re looking for zest and ease you might find it, but that doesn’t make zest and ease the actual evolutionary step.

But… what if being weighed down by beliefs is part of the problem? A belief can lead you to direct energy to the wrong places, an entwined belief doesn’t lead to whatever your ultimate is, it’s just another shackle. We do have to believe something, our minds are meaning making machines, the Daoist way of allowing the system to self-correct seems to be the most powerful, but it requires letting go of beliefs that overshadow reality. I agree “it can be known within when uncovered”, but any belief that pre-states what “it” Is keeps you from “it”. This is just an extension of my dislike of short order nondual realisation, belief establishes the lens and self gratuitous declarations of having arrived follow, but inner reality hasn’t been established. Emotional bypassing, karmic bypassing, clinging to beliefs, leads to staying on the merry go round for longer.

Your philosophy is one amongst a number of philosophies, there is no consensual agreement about your belief. The most I could agree with is that some humans, especially spiritual seekers, often feel that something is missing, which your belief system calls the absolute or the Self. What’s actually missing, how can it be known, and how can it be reinstated, without referring to any external philosophies?

What if there is no Absolute that an embodied human can ever partake in? I suspect the “Absolute” Is a philosophers dream, embodied reality is a far more complex issue. In embodied reality it’s likely impossible to simply not worry and be happy, anyway it would be fundamentally immoral to take this attitude in some situations.

I think ‘evil’ or ignorance has to be shown the door, it doesn’t self destruct. If we get a hundred monkeys to destroy ignorance, then things might start to change. Right now yes things are bad, but like zerostao said they’ve always been bad just more hidden. The bad is showing its hand, and the other faction are standing against it. We’re in dangerous times, but we have been here before and the good has won.