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Is a nondual realisation equivalent to a kundalini activation?
Bindi replied to idiot_stimpy's topic in General Discussion
Sure, we have to take the steps (though there are some exceptions to us having to do some things sometimes), but the importance of correct directions is paramount. I liked another thing Gopi Krishna said, something along the lines of there are immutable laws pertaining to the subtle energy body just as there are in physics, I do agree with this, and I fully believe that if weâre not given the right information about these immutable laws then we cannot be effective in the construction of the subtle energy system. Finding the right teacher or the right system is imperative, especially if weâre willing to do whatever is required of us. -
Is a nondual realisation equivalent to a kundalini activation?
Bindi replied to idiot_stimpy's topic in General Discussion
Interesting, and completely authentic experience IMO. -
Is a nondual realisation equivalent to a kundalini activation?
Bindi replied to idiot_stimpy's topic in General Discussion
In my experience there can be enough preparation when the right directions are followed, either via dreams or a seer. You know the water system referred to in neidan, I have found that when that water system is set up correctly, kundalini can be likened to a nuclear reactor rod that is kept perfectly cool in water. Without the constant supply of cooling water there can only be intolerable shock. -
Is a nondual realisation equivalent to a kundalini activation?
Bindi replied to idiot_stimpy's topic in General Discussion
Too bright, too hot, too painful, too anything, is to my understanding because conditions werenât set up adequately for kundalini to rise. -
Is a nondual realisation equivalent to a kundalini activation?
Bindi replied to idiot_stimpy's topic in General Discussion
Sorry it took so long to respond, I came across this description from Gopi Krishna recently, I concur with his concept of us as evolving organisms, and that kundalini is the factor that allows the next sense evolution to occur. Iâm not sure this is what you were asking actually, as this is the current end game for us as embodied organisms, not just a soul body, but this is all Iâve got! Thinking across disciplines and philosophies, Krishnaâs light seems highly likely to be the Shen referred to in Daoism/Neidan. Also the âStupendous intelligence that I can sense but never fathom, [which] looms behind every object and every event in the universe, silent, still, serene, and immovable like a mountainâ sounds remarkably like the Dao. -
I think all inappropriate judgement would cease if someone sorted through all their emotional and mental baggage, thereby absolving themselves of any further need for ego to protect themselves - and I think this is actually possible to achieve.
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Is a nondual realisation equivalent to a kundalini activation?
Bindi replied to idiot_stimpy's topic in General Discussion
From the same source that I quoted previously, there was also this paragraph. When the mind, having pure sattva as its characteristic remains attending to the aham sphurana, which is the sign of the forthcoming direct experience of the Self, the downward-facing heart becomes upward-facing, blossoms and remains in the form of that [the Self]; [because of this] the aforesaid attention to the source of the aham sphurana alone is the path. When thus attended to, Self, the reality, alone will remain shining in the centre of the Heart as âI am Iâ. Bhagavan included the full text of verse 18 and 19 of Ulladu Narpadu Anubandham after âdownward-facing heartâ in the original Tamil, but to include them again here would make the text rather cumbersome. However, it is clear that he was supplementing the material in those verses by saying that at the moment of realisation the closed downward-facing bud turns upwards, blooms, and remains in that state. So, there are two key things that happen at the moment of realisation: the âtiny holeâ opens and remains permanently open, and the inverted bud turns upwards and blooms. Iâve been thinking about this for a couple of days, my mother saw a downward facing bud in my heart area a couple of years ago, she saw it turn upward, she saw the exact mechanism by which it managed this action, she then saw it bloom and like a lily open and close a few times, grow higher, then change from dark red to white, open slowly again, and reveal a miniature âmeâ sitting inside. This was over quite a few days btw, and I recall briefly chatting to another TDB member about it at the time. I have mentioned before that my mother never had any idea what she was seeing, and to be honest the only way I have been able to start cobbling together any sort of map of the subtle energy body is largely by reading what other people have seen and said about it, and trying to start seeing the big picture of it all using my own logic. What I would say in relation to the above quote and how it relates to my path, is that this was not my realised Self, though perhaps it was an aspect of Self that hasnât been realised yet in some way, perhaps the hole that he mentioned didnât open concurrently, but what Ramana says at least leads to some small possible piece of this puzzle being explained in the slightest way. Just hearing that he has seen this helps me in a way. But just seeing some part of the subtle body isnât even the final word, as understanding what it means in reality can only be done with the best information currently at hand and very strict logic. An analogy might be a person seeing something through a microscope when it was first invented, and really not having a clue about what they were seeing, but over time and with a lot of people adding information to the puzzle, things will get named and how things actually work at a microscopic level will start to be understood. I relate this snippet precisely to explain why I am highly cynical about general claims of awakening and enlightenment and realisation from people who arenât talking about these things and deny the existence of this level, preferring concepts of realisation beyond all physical and subtle levels of oneself. -
Is a nondual realisation equivalent to a kundalini activation?
Bindi replied to idiot_stimpy's topic in General Discussion
The way I see it kundalini doesnât naturally rise above the heart centre unless it is interfered with by the mind and hard methods, until it is meant to. What I do agree with is that something important happens in the heart centre associated with kundalini. My feeling from reading this is that Bhagavan is describing a real process, not something metaphorical or figurative. https://www.davidgodman.org/the-role-of-the-heart-centre-in-self-realisation/ -
Is a nondual realisation equivalent to a kundalini activation?
Bindi replied to idiot_stimpy's topic in General Discussion
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Is a nondual realisation equivalent to a kundalini activation?
Bindi replied to idiot_stimpy's topic in General Discussion
I am aware of a higher consciousness that has the potential to actively command forces within us that are currently locked away, milling around behind closed doors waiting for orders. Nonduality doesnât acknowledge these forces, so it doesnât offer a way to unlock them. Nondualism is a sewn up system, any desire to shift away from it is philosophically defeated immediately as it decries desire, it is actually restrictive and if believed works against the unfolding of the subtle energy system. -
Is a nondual realisation equivalent to a kundalini activation?
Bindi replied to idiot_stimpy's topic in General Discussion
Another perspective on nonduality: âIn the Upanishads the [spiritual] heart is described as a secret place (guha), the cave of the heart. It is a small space, dahara akasha, in which the entire universe is held in seed form. Once we draw our awareness there we become one with all. We move from the individual to the universal.â https://www.vedanet.com/releasing-the-knots-of-the-heart-hridaya-granthi/ But⌠if kundalini has previously become stable at the heart level, then mundane self-consciousness identification can shift to kundalini consciousness identification there. Identification as a higher consciousness. To me nondual awareness is missing the âIâ passenger, an empty unguided rocket fired off into space. -
Is a nondual realisation equivalent to a kundalini activation?
Bindi replied to idiot_stimpy's topic in General Discussion
I think an authentic kundalini activation might lead to an authentic nondual awakening, I donât think it works the other way round though. KUNDALINI AWAKENING BY SWAMI NIRANJANANANDA SARASWATI Swami Niranjanananda Saraswati is from the lineage of the Bihar School of Yoga, which he also headed for many years. He has authored several books that have been published by the Bihar School of Yoga. In one of his books â Prana and Pranayama â he talks about the experience of kundalini awakening which he calls the experience of cosmic prana. ââŚWhen the full potential of this energy (kundalini) is released, it travels up through the Sushumna Nadi, bringing about a complete metamorphosis of the individual. Cosmic prana and kundalini are synonymous terms. In awakening the kundalini, one unites with the cosmic prana. At the time of the awakening, the two forces of prana and Chitta (mindset or state of mind) assume perfect balance within the individual and become one. The mind undergoes a state of fission and energy issues forth. There is an explosion of Satya, a moment of Truth, when one sees everything as luminous. One experiences oneself in every object of the universe, every person, leaf, and rock. The realization of cosmic prana is attained and the experience of separation dissolves. People who have experienced this union are called saints or liberated beings, as they have transcended duality by taming the infinite, universal energy within the microcosmic unit. The ultimate yoga is experienced at this level, where one discovers the abiding consciousness, sat-chit-ananda, truth, expansiveness, and beatitudeâŚâ -
Either you donât understand or youâre being snide about non-duality being âapparently unpopularâ since non-duality has the most powerful lobby group on this forum and is of course the most popular opinion hands down. Would it be so hard to just be honest and direct?
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Isnât this a bit of a straw man argument? You create a scenario that I never said and proceed to ridicule the entire concept. I remember I was first ridiculed by you when I first complained about @Jeffâs energy intrusions on me many years ago, I recall other people copied you then as well.
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I have no doubt that you place attention on âthe central channelâ, and Iâm more than willing to believe that it is calming. But itâs true I would have a hard time believing you were drawn to this particular practice because you intuited that the subtle central channel existed, and independently of all other sources you chose to place your attention there. If Iâm wrong in the above assumptions, my apologies. I also understand that my post made you feel bad, but I was responding to your (I believe dangerous) over-simplification of a very complex system, based on your view that nondual realisation is equivalent to kundalini activation.
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I find much of the general information about kundalini and the three main nadiâs to be worthwhile, but as you yourself said, they donât agree on everything, and Iâm certainly not going to believe one teaching over another until I have a very good reason to side with any particular opinion. In the meantime, post as much as you please from Saivite schools and sects, Iâm not going to, after all, this thread is titled unpopular opinions, not popular scripture isnât it?
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When referring to Shiva/Shakti consciousness specifically, the central channel as their optimal ground of being does have a very specific location, and is only identified as the subtle energy body. When referring to nonduality the playing field is wide open.
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I think we can clearly function without âhigherâ consciousness being operational, but in that case I donât think weâre functioning at our full potential. I mean the âhardwareâ exists, kundalini is there, but sleeping, the central channel exists but is unused, Shiva exists but remains unheard most of the time. Why that system exists waiting to be activated I have no idea, but Iâd bet the house on it that it does exist. I donât really understand your questions here, except to say that higher consciousness is logically not equivalent to mundane consciousness, and if higher consciousness is activated properly, I donât see that it would be bound to decrease.
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Im using the broad concepts of Shiva and Shakti because theyâre useful, but Iâm not using the associated assumptions from any particular school or sect.
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Yes, letâs say the subject is not fully comprehended by all the different traditions, and there is a great amount of confusion because each tradition likes to believe it has the full truth. The best we can do is explore the system ourselves, though this can easily backfire if the mundane mind is running the show. Best IMO would be to be led by âShivaâ from the start, thatâs the only guaranteed way to not go wrong.
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Maybe the central channel is the anatomical seat of nondual consciousness, or maybe itâs a a particular section of the central channel like the crown, or below the crown, or above the crown, or maybe itâs not related to the central channel at all, but until that potential is realised itâs really just guesswork. You might be right, but that would just be by chance, until you know. If some mental conditioning is being played out, or some emotional upheaval, I can imagine shifting awareness to some perceived centre might feel like a relief, but the conditioning and the emotional storms will continue to arise unless theyâre attended to directly, which is not the work of the central channel. Resting awareness in the centre continually, we bypass emotional and mental issues, but they and the ego which defends against them donât just disappear of their own accord. This is your opinion garnered from literature or discussion, not your experience, so like your first assumption you may be entirely correct or you may have missed the mark entirely.
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Ask a nondualist if they think their awakening/realisation/enlightenment is a function of kundalini or has got anything to do with kundalini.
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Kundalini/Shakti is a level of consciousness that is designed to operate within the central channel, she is the Yin aspect of the central channel if you like, in âsleepâ mode because of a lack of energy flow in the side channels. Optimally Kundalini/Shakti consciousness dwells in the upper part of the central channel, though asleep she is in the lower part of the central channel. What her role is in the upper part of the central channel I can only guess at at the moment, but I do suspect part of her role is as intermediary between higher knowledge and consciousness and mundane consciousness. Shiva is her Yang counterpart, Shiva consciousness âknowsâ and guides Shakti consciousness, opens subtle energy doors for her when the time is right, protects her as she travels upwards, and continually points out the way she has to go. Without his actions and directing from above, Kundalini/Shakti will go the wrong way, she will either be stuck on her travels upward or she will take what appear to be shortcuts that are in fact dead ends. Itâs a very delicate dance that the two consciousnesses engage in, that can be all too easily disrupted by our mundane mind level consciousness. If circumstances allow them to actualise their potential then their level of consciousness will be available to us, of course I donât know what that level of consciousness entails at this point in time.
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Hereâs my current unpopular opinion. The actual point of spirituality is the activation of kundalini, though to qualify this, its activation needs to be in the central channel, and facilitated by kundaliniâs subtle energy/consciousness opposite, which can be identified as âShivaâ. I suspect that kundalini inappropriately activated via âforcefulâ methods, of which there are many, causes kundalini to travel up a side subtle channel, and I further suspect that this cannot be rectified, that is, it cannot then be made to travel up the central channel, except in extraordinary circumstances, such as sending kundalini back to sleep and doing the initial work necessary before raising kundalini consciousness correctly. Travelling up a side channel will inevitably lead to relatively useless side road achievements, inevitably degrading the perceived value of kundalini. In a community obsessed with emptiness and non-doing and nonduality, this must surely be in the running for most unpopular opinion.
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In the biblical story of the garden of Eden, at first the tree of knowledge was the only tree from which Adam and Eve could not eat. So I assume that at that stage they could eat freely from the tree of life (immortality)? They were sent out from the garden after eating fruit from the tree of knowledge to prevent them from then eating from the tree of life. So in understanding this story, I gather the snake is understood to be kundalini. And knowledge - is this believed to be gained when kundalini reaches and opens the crown? But according to this story, people would not become like the Godâs without the other piece of the puzzle, fruit from the tree of life. So if this story speaks of some deep esoteric truth, what then is the tree of life? And who were the God's that were already god-like, having knowledge and immortality? Or should this story simply be dismissed as an old and irrelevant myth?