Miffymog

It's been fun looking at those links you provided, some of them I can't review all that well due to them being Google books and I'm only able to see a very small proportion of the text. But here are my comments on those that I've been able to  look at.

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Comments on the recent experiments by the group of Michael Persinger

http://journals.sfu.ca/jnonlocality/public/journals/1/PREPRINTS/PitkanenPersinger021513.pdf

Not into dark protons, dark protonic strings or a dark analog of the DNA double strand I'm afraid.

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Rotational Frequency Matching of the Energy of ... - NeuroQuantology

https://www.neuroquantology.com/index.php/journal/issue/viewFile/59/21

As mentioned before, needs an external magnetic field.

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Illuminating Water and Life: Emilio Del Giudice - PubMed Labs

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pubmed/26098522-illuminating-water-and-life-emilio-del-giudice/?from_q=Ho+MW[author]

This requires light to penetrate through the skin and, unlike a glass of water, we are not transparent.

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But I've not read research papers for some time and I've enjoyed doing it.

Thank you Voidisyinyang for your effort and enthusiasm towards this area of study. I do enjoy reading your posts, even if I don't quite agree with them.

However, there can be a danger that scientific terms can add confusion rather than clarity to an argument, and there is a responsibility on those who use them, to do so in a way which makes them comprehensible to the reader.

ps - I've looked into when protons are super conducting and they are actually far more examples than I was originally aware of and I've learnt this because of your interest in science and Qi, so thank you. Although I'm not convinced there are any in the human body ... yet ...  

1 hour ago, voidisyinyang said:

Yeah I think hydrogen is pretty common in our bodies - either water or other molecules.

 

If you study my free pdf - I cite Dr. Mae-Wan Ho, the quantum biologist Taoist, who did detailed research arguing that the source of qi or yang qi is from superconducting proton-proton energy or proticity. So Dr. Jack Kruse who is still living also promotes this view - although he is more of a diet-natural living advocate, and not so much into the qigong training.

 

So also CIA mind control research Dr. Andrija Puharch had the same model of parapsychological energy - from superconducting proton "magnetic moment" precession energy.

 

https://www.pdf-archive.com/2017/04/10/idiot-s-guide-to-taoist-alchemy/

I'm quite happy that a proton has a magnetic moment, I'm also quite happy that it processes in the presence an external magnetic field.

It does lead me to a couple of questions though

1 - Where does the external magnetic field come from?

2 - How does a proton become super conducting? ie what are the conditions for it to become super conducting and what characteristics would it demonstrate that it doesn't have while in normal conditions?

Knowing this would help me to understand how this then leads to parapsychological energy.

23 minutes ago, silent thunder said:

It's an experiential realization for me, that the vast majority of my energy comes from my breath, not food.  Food provides a bit of energy for motion and mostly building blocks to replace worn out cells and regenerate body tissue.

 

This realization was made evident through repeated experiences when I have an illness and my lungs are compromised and not working efficiently... when climbing one flight of stairs is enough to cause me full bodily exhaustion and need to rest.

 

No amount of soup will rectify this... my lungs need to heal before I will regain stamina and vitality.

 

Interesting experiential realization - breath, or Oxygen is indeed required to release energy. However, the 'energy' is 'in' the food, the oxygen helps release it, It's bit like reverse photosynthesis. If your muscles work with out oxygen, you get that painful build up of lactic acid in them that athletes are so familiar with.

10 hours ago, voidisyinyang said:

There is some kind of "reverse electrolysis" is what I called it - the qi of the third eye converts the air into water by combining oxygen and hydrogen and then it flows down as the ambrosia out of the nasal cavity, down the throat, to the stomach.

 

And nourishment is similarly created - this is from reverse entropy or quantum relative entropy as science calls it.

Just a quick question, I know that there is Oxygen in air, but I was wondering where the Hydrogen comes from?

Peaches come from a can,
They were put there by a man
In a factory downtown.
If I had my little way,
I'd eat peaches every day
Sun-soakin' bulges in the shade.

7 hours ago, voidisyinyang said:

If you study noncommutative phase then you'll understand how qi is built up in the body - it is a macroquantum resonance that can not be reproduced by technology.

I quickly looked at noncommutative maths and it immediately become far beyond my understanding I'm afraid.

However, if macroquantum resonance can not be reproduced by technology, it could be one of those ideas that are, in fact, not quite right.

The nature of research is such that you are investigating something you don't, yet, fully understand. The result of this is that the vast majority of research papers (90%?) are actually inaccurate. It is only after a number of years later when another, totally different approach collaborates with one of the earlier papers, that a particular theory gains traction and respect.

What happens about the other 90% that were wrong ... they are lost to the mists of time.

It's not that erroneous theories shouldn't be published, they are part of the research process and they can contain great ideas. 

However, if macroquantum resonance can't be reproduced or collaborated by technology, then it does pretty much have to be consigned to the waste bin I'm afraid.

8 hours ago, johndoe2012 said:

What do you think about 

 

http://www.headless.org/experiments/2-way-pointing.htm

 

I am thinking of the effects of the two way pointing in silencing the mind and enabling flow through the crown. 

I'm a great fan of this approach and have spent quite a bit of time in the past exploring all Harding had to say. For those who don't know, you just 'pretend' you don't have a head, although there is bit more to it than just that. If you look through the website, there are lots of practical experiments which help demonstrate your 'headlessness', ie, just try pointing at your own head and what do you find there? Just space!

I have a practice which has good health benefits and could help you. The positive side is that it is relatively easy to learn, the negative side is that it is quite challenging, especially if you've not had previous meditation experience.

The practice is called Zhan Zhuang, and my favourite book on it is called 'The Way of Energy' by Lam Kam Chuen.

Hope this helps, if not, good luck with your search. There is stuff out there that can help you, however, there might be an initial period of uncertainty as you start exploring what works best for you. There is actually a lot of information out there when you start looking and it can be a bit over whelming at first.

Try something every day for 100 days (3 months) and see how you feel after that time. You'll then know if its right for you or whether you should look for something else. Don't worry if you jump around a bit at the beginning finding what works for you, this is natural.

See if you can find enjoyment in this initial exploratory period, and don't seek results too quickly as this expectation can over burden a practice.

From a Zhan Zhuang point of view, while in standing meditation, the act of deciding to move sets off lots of changes in structural alignment before you actually move. The point being that before you take a step, your body has to minutely align itself for an act where it is actually, constantly, in the process of falling over. It's just that the forward moving foot lands on the ground before you do.

So, deciding to move, or rather imagining and pretending to move, results in lots of minute muscular movements, which when sensed start to give you conscious control over previously unconsciously controlled muscles.

I have to admit, this does not really answer your question, as I have not addressed either Yi or Chi. But it does hopefully give you a tangible example of the moment between deciding to move and not moving ... maybe ... because in this example, you are deciding to move, but you dont

Yes, yes and yes.

2 weeks ago bad, last week good, this week bad. The thing is, there have been no major events which have led to the changes in mood. This week I have been more sensitive to the little difficult things in life than last week, and for no real reason.

You're right, recognising this up and down process as quite natural does make it easier to deal with. And hoping that, in the long term, things are generally getting that little bit better.

yeah - my practice (although self taught)

As with any interest in my life, I could go on for hours on the simplest of points - so I'll try to restrict my self.

First question would be how long do you stand for, the second would be what warm up and warm down exercises do you do?

I stand for 20 minutes, if you're beyond that, then you're beyond what advice I can give.

I went through this very question this week when I came across a website that suggested if you are holding the balloon / embracing the tree, you should pretend that you are holding down two floating balloons with your elbows. By doing this you are learning to use your posterioral  muscles to hold up your arms so that there is less tension around the neck.

Now, normally I just do what Lam Kam suggests which is allow your mind to wander (this is along the lines of maintaining an contrived mind). But this week I decided to try out the above method. For the first 5 minutes it definitely help relax my arm muscles, but I found I could not keep this mind set for the whole stand, so I then just let my mind wonder.

My conclusion from this experiment, just go back to letting my mind do what it wants to.

As far as watching TV goes - its simple, if it makes the stand easier do it. I tried it a while ago and found that I became more concerned about how long I had been standing if there was either TV or radio on in the back ground.

If you're thinking about watching TV, this is possibly because you're standing at the end of the day. With other meditation practices, I have found they were easier to do if they were in the morning, because then I would not have to worry about how I was going to squeeze it in in the evening. Wake up, do it, forget about it.

Good luck with it - it takes time, but I have found a greater benefit in the long term than with a simple sitting practice.

4 hours ago, blue eyed snake said:

 

yeah, well,

 

until the time you meet somebody who has conscious control. Then this description becomes obsolete of course

ummm, good point...

I was looking on the internet for info on Zhan Zhuang and came across a website on Yi Quan which described Qi in the following way ...

If we describe (human) Qi as 'those processes of the body/mind that are outside conscious control' than we would cover most aspects.

http://www.yiquan.org.uk/art-zz.html

which goes along the lines of it being some kind of subconscious 'thing'

I find that a strange question for me at the moment. I live in England, although I'm more British than English. 10 years ago I was happy to say I was European as well, but that put me in the minority. Now, I'm not European.

Now, English / British - British / English? there is a difference.

But how do I define my country? It's where I grew up and is where I'm familiar. I've lived abroad and learnt how to appreciate all the things I missed, far more than I could ever have realised.

Ultimately, it is a very personal thing, so I can't really define it right now, may be in a later post ...

This OP led me to look up some quotes from Socrates - so here we go

It's easier to experience energy in silence, I also feel that energy does it's thing best when in silence.

I sometimes see energy as the background workings of the subconscious mind in the present moment.

Go for it. I'm in someways overcoming an unpleasant past, and it does mean there is a enthusiasm towards the new future

1 hour ago, roger said:

We don't see things exactly as they are.

 

This fact hit me hard today.

Unfortunately the information which is received through our senses is put through many filters before they get to 'us'. This is partly due to the fact that so much information is received that nearly all of it has to be stripped away so that our consciousness can process it on a 'this or that' level. A level when where we only have to decided between two things. Any shop keeper knows that if you give the shopper too many choices, they get confused and walk away.

The problem is where does that leave us? Living in half true reality? Well, this discussion could go on for a long time.

1 - Spiritual practices do allow us to slowly expand our conscious awareness, so that we can make slightly better decisions about our environment.

2 - The other side is that we kind of have to accept that we don't really know what's going and just deal with it - which is exactly where this OP is coming from  

6 hours ago, Michael Sternbach said:

Wow, Marblehead reading Tarot cards... That's absolutely fab!

I have to admit when I saw that he had read the image and applied it to QiCats situation (rather than do what I did which was to go to a book to get help) impressed me too. This means his advice came from his heart!

I know little about the Tarot, but the book I've got suggests blocked emotions, avoidance and stalemate which seems to describe some of your life situation quite accurately. As to the way out, well, in almost every situation, the correct positive attitude can be found which allows negative energy to flow away. It's there, and you already know the answer. It tends to be that you are not quite ready to accept it yet.

Good luck though

When I read these posts, part of me really wants to read works like Alan Watts; and in the past I would have happily ordered some of his books on Amazon and looked forward to them arriving and gaining lots of insights and wisdom from them.

But now, for some reason, the motivation to do this has dried up and I'm not entirely sure why. Is it that I've already gone through that stage in my life when the quest for wisdom and insight was strong? Maybe I'm actually going through a stage where I'm trying to 'unlearn something everyday'?.

I feel that this is something close to the truth. I've done enough in my life where I pretty much have all the answers inside of me. What I seek to do now is just let things settle in side of me and let the wisdom and insight come from within - this might well be in the form of just remembering something I've read in the past.

This feels like how I will now continue the rest of life in my quest for wisdom and insight, the other advantage of it is efficiency, I no longer feel the need or desire to put any more effort in this quest.

So part of me misses that buzz of a new philosopher to read, and the excitement of that next book that might revolutionise my outlook on life, but there is a perhaps lazier side of me that is now able to let go of that desire. I will in all likelihood never read any of Alan Watt's work, maybe that is a shame, maybe not.

Curiously enough, I've heard this is true. If you are lost in the desert (ignoring how you got lost) and you start walking in a straight line, you will actually start to walk in a gentle circle. This is because the stride lengths of each leg is slightly different. You then slowly walk in a circle (ignoring what direction the sun is in). Then, after some time, you come across some tracks which you think might lead you out of the desert but unknown to you, they are actually your own. Oblivious to this fact, you start to follow these tracks and end up running out of water as you keep going in circles !!!

On 18/07/2017 at 1:27 AM, silent thunder said:

One of my life long inner teachers is the Spirit of the Red Tail Hawk.

 

She said to me in my awareness once... "Here's a secret for you...  when I fly... i have no feet."

 

When the realization about it settled... it was astounding to me.  Vajra.  I had been pondering the monkey mind and it's incessant nature and was getting down on myself over its proclivity and abundance in my life.  Disparaging it and looking down on it.  But she gently reminded me that my mind and thoughts have good reason to be used and a good purpose in some situations.

 

Hawk's feet are a great analogy for my mind and what all this practice and meditation are striving to help manifest.

 

She offered me an insight into the nature of my mind and thoughts and has shaped my process and practice and my approach to my mind. 

 

Through my practice, I have been striving to get my mind to behave like a Hawks' feet.  When striking for the hunt, or when standing on a branch, I want my feet/mind to be focused, potent and unshakable.  Fully present and on the task.  Far from wanting to abolish my mind utterly, I seek for it to manifest when appropriate, and to recede when not.

 

When it is time for flight... presence in the now.  Mind/feet are folded and all but forgotten...  a non-factor.

 

I love haiku, this one kind of sums it up.

it's called

my mind:

 

like hawk's feet in flight
folded, closed and forgotten
until the landing

 

 

Good stuff. One of the things I'm contemplating at the moment is the 'boundary' of the mind. So, where is the mind, or what are my thoughts while I'm in conversation with someone? It's in conversation where my thoughts merge / interact with another's. And, unlike the written word, it is more instinctive and reactionary.

I need thoughts for a conversation, I transmit thoughts while talking, and receive them while listening.

But where are they coming from, whose are they, and how are other peoples thoughts subsumed in to me ... ? hmmm, I'll have to think about this one

Just want to say that I'm really enjoying this thread. I don't practice any forms my self but watching these youtube links is great. By seeing how someone moves, as opposed to watching them sit or stand, really gives you good insight into the kind of attainment they have achieved in that art.

And just a 5 minute youtube video can show you so much in regards to this, which works really well on a website like this. It's then been really interesting comparing all of the different forms that have been put here, because seeing the differences tells you even more.

So thank you to morning dew for starting this thread and to all those who have contributed