Taoist Texts

it immediately creates the embryo the opposite, the MCO is preH it is a great qigong achievment, (but fraught with deviations). However it is not the MCO, it is just a spontaneous movement of postH qi along the Ren-Du. The real MCO is as different from that as heaven from earth. Still, good job, most ppl never even get to the spont. moves. no need to;) i know all about it while the others dont care. WLP has been flogged ad nauseam on this forum over and over;)

the cause of it: The liver externally opens into the eyes https://karger.com/imi/article/4/1-2/39/176279/Liver-in-the-Chinese-and-Western-Medicine https://buddhismnow.com/2015/09/12/zen-sickness-by-zen-master-hakuin/ The Soft-Butter Method a secret one

yes that particular group which claim the WLP orthodoxy and made their way to Russia. There is nothing about standing in the WLP texts though. One of the WLP's offshoots Qianfeng also have a bunch of standing exercises https://qianfengdaoismuk.weebly.com/nourishing-the-origin-of-daoist-immortality-self-cultivation-law-and-building-health-by-strengthening-essential-nature.html no, sitting is anathema to them hehe yeah that is one issue

sure. i have tons of it;). Each neidan school has its own trick for kick-starting the MCO because the MCO is the key to neidan. No MCO - no neidan. WLP uses standing for that purpose. Standing tenses the muscles which leads to spontaneous movements which in theory should facilitate the MCO. Unfortunately, the WLP-ers tense too much so, while the movements indeed start, the MCO remains hindered. Hence they fail to start it. Did i answer your questions?

he was referring to me;) You are right about the teachers. As to alchemy, you do not understand it yet, but kudos on ditching the teachers anyway. If you have a specific question about the neidan books you welcome to ask me. i happen to be a book expert;) Hi Michael) probably you refer to their standing practice. It is great for starting spontaneous movements but it is bad for opening the orbit. There must be sitting for the orbit. Thats one of the reason why those russian WLP did not succeed. The more important reason is of course ethics. Dao is not for grubbers. There is no way back from Barbiland for Kens. If he does not come back - we know he made it

whats an "enlightenment"? what is that "an enlightened lineage-ist" can do that an ordinary person can not? i totally agree, so much so that sometimes they believe the voices in their heads are real "things from other worlds." its kinda sad actually. no, no we dont teach "enlightenment", its a made up word devoid of meaning. we teach proven reality

what exactly is it?

you are a very advanced practitioner of qigong. which i am sure is satisfying both health-wise and spiritually. from this stage you can either go on maintaining or deepening your qi adventure which does not have any clear goals or a process or a timeline or levels as you rightfully say or you can venture into neidan which has clear and few goals or a process or a timeline or levels but has next to none chances of success. your choice, your karma. thats basically it from my POV, i would say again that you are streets ahead of others teachers lie. if they would not they would not get any paying customers. its that simple.

sure. its right there in DDJ 上德无为而无以为；下德为之而有以为. The rulers are non-doing, the subjects are doing (for the rulers)

it is called first yang or true yang as in Wang Mu of course everything in the universe being qi it is also a qi, but not the regular kind circulating or felt in the body, hence it is 'true'

depends on what IT is. quite a few practicers feel qi moving in various places without their intention, including over the MCO route. sometimes this qi movement is a deviation sometimes it feels good. but in all cases it is NOT the neidan MCO. chiefly because what moves in the MCO is not qi.

yes i doubt it;) IYKYK;)

thats the thing. with those neidaneers it is hard to even pin down what they are saying because they vacillate and contradict themselves at every step. But here is an example from under the silliest title ever: of course. thats what i mean. an effort is required first it absolutely does. with the effort first. the effort is not just the drudgery of sitting still or even breathing into DT or any other nei-whatever activity. the effort is secret;) oh look...thats the much touted oral tradition. hehehe;) Btw the wiki is wrong. wu-wei does not mean any of the highlighted things. Instead it means all and any kinds of actions which are performed by another party on your behalf.

it could but it was published in 2011 while this strange idea gained currency 10-20 years earlier, right when the neidan fad was still budding ah thats pure gold thanx my pleasure. 1) not a single neidan text says 'sit still and eventually MCO will get running on its own' 2) its just common sense that to get something you gotta do something ... he said oral...

oh my! i had no clue, could you provide a link or a name...or anything at all interestingly this statement is not so much wrong as meaningless. also it is a hallmark of a western made-up lineage (except @Apech of course, Ankh wedja seneb) thats why it is so fascinating to find out where did they get that and why it is important for them yeah, IYKYK . screw those inquiring minds. nobody told them to get their hopes up.

whoa brilliant! you got the MCO running?! why dont you tell us all about it - how, when, what happened, what is next? inquiring minds want to know!

yes great job i am surprised anyone knows that much. For my research could you please point me to your source for this this POV crops up now and then but i am puzzled where it comes from. thanks!

this is correct this is very correct depends on what is meant by the pill. nevertheless this is correct for the middle/low level methods hmmm...i would say no. it kinda sounds right i will give you that tho

lemme guess, drinking age? cant put my finger on it but there is a typo somewhere here

but of course. how to determine if a clock is broken? easy. if a clock under inspection agrees a with a broken clock at least once...then it is broken too. not that there is anything wrong with it! i see you pooh-pooh the tremendous power of wishful fantasizing;)

of course not. black is white. the obviously troubled posters are not troubled. at all. there...there ...all is well buddy, all is well.

i am just wondering, could it be that you perhaps just agreed with someone who needs a professional help? a serious question.

so far you learned how to induce a trance on yourself. it is fun but it is not dao or alch thats a very common occurrence: a westerner reads his own guesswork instead of what is written in black on white on the page. Happens all the time. Just recently a forumer decided to read TGF as a jungian book...so welcome to the club;)

thats not the point. the point is you and me both cannot name any one who has achieved anything out of many thousands who read it oh never you mind. that ugly word is for the real world only

how come not a single reader of it achieved anything?