Taoist Texts

Some more love to go around;) 11. “Daoism starts with the body” Misconception: “Neidan is superior to all other practices because it is based on dual cultivation of the mind and body, while all other practices are lopsided”. Why it is wrong: First, the neidanists claim that they practice the dual cultivation, then they turn around and claim that they cultivate the body first. But in reality they do neither. What, in their ignorance, they believe to be either their dual practice or their body-first practice, is actually a deviation which is called 走火入魔 zǒuhuǒ rùmó ‘roving fire, entering demons’ Unwittingly, they activate the so called ‘false fire’ or the ‘empty fire’ which dries up their bodies producing: (1) sensations of localized hot spots in the body, spontaneous movements - ‘roving fire’, and (2) irrational emotions of anger, delusions of grandeur, greed - ‘entering demons’. Besides observing their behavior on the web and in the real life, how else can this diagnoses be confirmed? It is actually rather simple: they boast about it. When, after a seminar, the grateful students leave glowing reviews on a webpage of a neidan school, these reviews boil down to: (1) “After the seminar, I feel heat radiating from my dantian, at my kidneys, my hands and feet are always hot now, spontaneous movements have been activated” – sensations of ‘roving fire’, (2) “After the seminar, I have become more attractive to people, especially of the opposite sex, the things are magically going my way, my business prospers, I am a part of a great teaching now” – delusions of ‘entering demons’. Far from being disabused of these errors by their teachers, the students are encouraged to persist in their errors by their blind teachers, leading the blind. They irony is that they mistake a common deviation - for a great achievement, the trivial spontaneous movements - for the primal qi, the false internal feelings - for the neidan (the internal medicine of eternal youth). Of the neidan, in their delusion, they also boast to possess, which is of course a major symptom of a deviation. Correct answer: the neidanists mistake deviations for achievements, a brief flaming of a false fire for the true energy. There is a sappy Chinese song also called (for a reason) zǒuhuǒ rùmó ‘Roving fire, entering demons’, - a tribute to the madness of the first love, to the hot flashes, the raging hormones and the general silliness of youth, which, similar to the illusory achievements of the neidanists, will pass only too soon. Let them have their fun while it lasts. Enjoy the song!

Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. (Matthew 5:3)

dude be strong and never give up on your dream. u can still become a ballerina if you give your 100%. we all are rooting for ya.

but you are a ballerina, no?

Some time ago he likened the members of this forum to barking dogs. I donno if this is an improvement.

Whenever their seminar selling business is slow they come out and attack other practices, as an ad campaign. Once a month they do that;)

well may by for u it is not;) they do. a terminal barrier.

more of utter ignorance. these guys do not know the very basics 得道有四難，是那四難？一、人身難得；二、中華難生；三、明師難遇；四、真道難逢。 Obtaining Dao has 4 hardships: the human body is hard to get; it is hard to be born in China; an enlightened teacher is hard to meet; the true Dao is hard to encounter. The true Taoists emphasize that the human body is the foremost blessing on the way; the false one treat it as a given. But still kudos to them, 1 out of 4 is not bad;)

right but... is having a body a good thing or a bad thing?

Hamsters are not readers. Hamsters are writers.

Hehe, they want free lessons now.

They do not quote LZ;) they quote a wrong translation of LZ addled with their own fantasies. These guys dont have a clue as to what LZ is really saying. 'Misfortune comes from having a body' yeah right;)

Interesting how the LZ lines get parroted without any understanding. What does LZ say? He wishes to be a ghost without a body? He regrets having ever born into a body? By virtue of even repeating this nonsense ppl betray having no clue.

this is a similar case. http://thedaobums.com/topic/40387-meditating-and-possible-kundalini-development-burning-sensation-on-back/?p=671549 Its not a kundalini but the name does not matter. What matters is a process 'yin out-heat in', 'fire in- water out'. The consequences vary from mildly unpleasant to very serious depending on the intensity of what you do to yourself. You people are desiccating your bodies, and apart from stopping doing whatever you are doing..there is really nothing to be done.

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They teach neidan without having it themselves. I like that. No neidan for them and their students - more neidan for me.

So the answer is no then. They got nothing. No neidan.

Oh hi damdao how are you? Not sure which attack you talking about but my post was about neidan. All I wanted to know if Antares or opendao have created neidan for themselves. If you know could you please tell me? Thank you very much in advance compadre!

by Antares The Immortal

What is the title of his book? 'Standing is Impossible to Convey in Writing' by Wang XZ?

I feel Mozart is perfection. Also recalled my times in dreamy Vienna, walking daily by his house with a memorial plaque that says Mozart was born here. Somehow these bright souvenir candy really ties all these fond memories together for me so i decided to share. Thanks for the reminder that a heavenly genius was born today. Or at all.

Ah, thats what neidan is.