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13 hours ago, -ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ- said:

You are very lucky to have found a good system that works, at such a young age. Many people spend their entire lives doing practices that don’t work and achieve nothing. 

I was extremely lucky to have met my first teacher from Daode when I did. I was in and out of the hospital and at one point I nearly died during one hospital visit back in 2015. I owe my life to the practice.

Likewise, most of the senior students from the school have told me “I wish I had this when I was your age”. One student said he trained for 14 years in another qigong system at a TCM institution and got barely any results.

Such a long time to not progress :/

Thank you for the kind response 🙏

On 4/9/2024 at 12:09 AM, Taoist Texts said:

oh wow thats a long time. You must have made great achievements by now.....right? 

you sure must be one of them...right?

I've gotten some fantastic results, can't complain. People in my life have made comments that I look like I'm in my early twenties(I'm turning 30 in a few days). I've had hair regrowth, wirnkles disappearing, organ function restored where I previously had lab work showing abnormal enzymes and biomarkers indicating disease. No, I'm not a Xian but the results have far surpassed any Taiji or qigong I've learnt in the past.

And I am not a southern school Disciple but I have learnt the first method of the southern void school. I primarily practice the ancient northern method along with the organ sets from YXP and a little sitting meditation as well.

On 3/28/2024 at 9:09 AM, Yae said:

I will share my own method for Xing-first cultivation. It's about as simple as breathing so I don't see much reason for caution for anyone considering trying it. I call it, "Doing the Microcosmit Orbit", wait for it, "While Standing Up".

 

The two ingredients Fire and Wind as used in the Huimingjing for other purposes are used here. They are Intention and Breath.

 

Start by circulating the MCO, while standing. On inhale, start from the base of the perineum and move your point of intention up the back of your body in a straight line to the top of your head. On exhale, move your point of intention from there in a straight line on the front of your body to the base of your perineum. Note: Make sure the tip of your tongue is at least touching your hard palate at the front of the roof of your mouth if not the entire roof of your mouth because that is where the energy moves to continue the orbit.

 

This is one complete repetition. Continue doing this a few times and you should start to notice your body undulating a little as you go up and as you go down. This is the movement of yuanshen I guess. You have activated it. Then you may repeat a few times for a strong activation, then stop and relax in place. Allow the movements to arise. It will take control. The energy is intelligent. 

 

I don't really think there is any danger to yuan shen, yuan qi, or yuan jing being in your body. Wu Liu Pai has a method to close the process but I can't share it haha. And this is not their method. If you've done the MCO at all you've probably stimulated it before and not realized it. I really don't think it's bad. It probably disperses on its own left unchecked.

 

The idea of this method I think is that the energy already knows what to do and it opens channels as needed and then theoretically sets the MCO in motion itself (moves the MCO considering what Taoist Texts said about it although I would like more supporting documentation), creating the alchemical pill and thereby starting the growth of the yang fetus? Although if that's true then after stage 2 the methods are identical.

 

Let me know if you have questions about the method.

 

I just noticed, I think the Ruyao jing zhujie (Mirror for Compounding the Medicine) might actually be about the xing-first method, not sure...

That's how you look doing the spontaneous movements

 

Commentary by Wang Jie on part 1 above:

 

Magpie Bridge = Tongue on palate which connects the Ren Mai and Du Mai, the two channels composing the MCO

In Heaven responds to stars = going up the back of the body the energy is inclined upwards

Earth tides = going from the top of the head down, in the same way it is naturally drawn down the front like a magnet (this is explained in the commentary)

What you are talking about is Jiu Yang Shen Gong, that is the method of using breath and intent to move Yuan Qi through the extraordinary channels. What it doesn't do is restore Yuan Jing, that is the stage of Zhushougong which is only being taught to a select few. Both of these practices fall under the southern void school of WLP.

And for the others here who have some misunderstanding. There are both sitting, walking as well as standing methods in even the first level of WLP in the ancient Northern method. 

Source: Have studied YXP for 9 years and WLP for 1 year and 3 months.

On 3/5/2021 at 1:00 PM, Antares said:

For ZZ standing energy channels should be already open and energy should be balanced to some degree and move freely otherwise individual can get:

1) Nothing at all but waste of time

2) Imbalances which are difficult to eliminate sometime 

 

Something that Most People will NOT tell You...

 

It's common for people to say that Qigong is 100% safe and you cannot harm yourself doing it in any way. Just like lifting weights can help you to strengthen muscles they can also harm you because you need to carefully hold the weights that you are for example, holding above your head. Qigong CAN be done wrong and in this case as opposed to lifting weights, it is more subtle. There is a particular term for when the exercises and Qigong principles are done incorrectly: Energy Deviations. When we practice Qigong we are working with the subtle energies coursing through the body which activate the various structures and organs. Just like something powerful that can help you, it can also harm you if you are not aware of the risks.

 

Energy deviations are essentially harmful energy flows which manifest in the body that come about from incorrect practice. Why is this being mentioned here? Because Zhan Zhuang is a Qigong exercise which one can practice to accumulate a lot of energy. You can imagine what can go wrong if this energy is not accumulated, balanced and nurtured in the correct way in the body. One such example of energy deviations is excessive energy getting stuck in the head which can lead to mental problems.

 

With incorrect practice or with no guidance from a teacher It can happen that a practitioner will experience 'interesting' energy flows and sensations/experiences during and a result of practice but unfortunately these are often actually energy deviations and the practitioner is moving in the opposite direction of the correct results. It is easy to understand why this can happen because on the outside Zhan Zhuang LOOKS very simple.

https://www.daodeqigong.com/post/how-does-zhan-zhuang-work-post-standing-qigong

Antares knows his shit and I second what he says. A teacher is crucial to get stable progress and avoid deviations and negative side effects.

If you can't afford a 70$-80$/month for a teacher. These are your next best options:

https://www.bigqifield.com/tab/152976

https://mailchi.mp/d6094bf1f7b0/taichitao

As your health and energy improve... so should your capacities and abilities to manifest/generate material wealth. 

I can't recommend learning from books and dvds as you need a teacher to steer you if you have too much energy rising to the head, bad posture, too much yang qi, too much yin qi, not enough yin qi, not enough yang qi etc. I also would avoid Wang Liping and Nathan Brine's teachings because they aren't officially recognized and as far as I know people who are doing too much sitting and thinking(nearly all modern people) shouldn't be starting out with Dazuo. If you're serious about learning Neidan, I can only recommend the Daode Center based out of Russia(which teaches Northern Wu Liu Pai and Northern Yu Xian Pai to westerners) OR Hidden Dragon Path([email protected]) which teaches Longmen Pai(Dragon Gate). Both of these schools are officially recognized by the Chinese Daoist Association and the masters of these schools have had extensive academic and practical mastery level training. These are complete systems with curriculums which provide powerful results in your day-to-day life as well as in spiritual development.

Otherwise if you want to learn post-heaven Qigong methods, I second what @JohnC wrote and suggest Zhineng Qigong or SFQ or Emei Qigong.

https://www.bigqifield.com/ ~ Teaches free daily Zoom classes in Zhineng Qigong and many of the instructors there have personally studied with Dr. Peng

https://qigong-zhineng.com/about/ ~ Also teaches over Zoom and had personally studied under Dr. Peng

If you're looking for the martial side of things and are based in Vancouver, Canada. I cannot recommend Shifu Calvin Gao from https://www.wujitang.ca/ enough. This man is the real deal when it comes to martial power, he has dim mak and this weird ability which made me feel nauseous and completely disoriented just by touching me. His specialty is in Yiquan, Bagua and Wu Tai Chi.

Sources: Used to be a very sick person who was unable to work. I've been a student of Yu Xian Pai for 6 years and thanks to Daode Center I am able to work, make money and live a normal life again. I have also personally taken courses from all three previously mentioned schools.

Awaken, what is the "Golden Light"??

Thanks

I saw a few demo/interviews with FWC lineage keeper and he certainly seemed on point with the applications.

Give the time, dedication and knowledge it requires i'm pretty sure it's damn effective even on beginner-intermediate level, but that depends on who you're looking to pummel right

It sounds really cool and looks awesome, although I wouldn't even know where to look for a FWC master

I can only speak about Wing Chun.

 

 

I believe this can't be proven by historical record. There seems to be similarities in each of the legends about their creation.

 

Fujian White Crane seems to be the progenitor of Okinawan Karate.

 

 

 

 

 

Wing Chun is deadly, it has a strong moral code and it will keep on giving until your 80's and 90's. It's a treasure and a joy to practice.

 

If you are considering to practice a martial art I would say to do the research (as you seem to be doing) about the ones you're interested in and are available to you (the teachers are also important) and follow your heart.

 

 

The very same month I've decided that Wing Chun was the one for me a class opened for the first time ever in my city.

Thanks for the info KuroShiro! I was told by one of my other teachers that FWC is more compatible with the Neigong we practice. I've recently been interested in Wing Chun because of an encounter I had while using public transit. I was having trouble with opening the rear door of the bus, when this elderly man approached me. He said in a heavy chinese accent "You got to use Wing Chun". Then he did what looked like a Pak Sao with both hands and then pushed the door open. It was quite interesting to say the least. I probably should've followed but I was hungry and just wanted to go home and eat lol.

Hello eveyone,

I have recently heard that Fujian White Crane is a very practical and effective internal martial art that also has some external aspects within it. I did some research into it and found out that Fujian White Crane is a progenitor art of Wing Chun . It was a video I saw of a FWC lineage holder talking about the history of the art. He mentioned that Wing Chun is only basically half of Fujian White Crane. Does anybody know about the accuracy of these claims? Also how effective is it truly? 

To clarify, when holding up perineum is called for (without tensing, but keeping abdomen and perineum relaxed), this is accomplished by slightly tensing the butt muscles/thighs?

Not tensing the butt, it's as though you are flexing upwards as Silent Answers and thelerner said. The way I was taught by SYL, was to slightly suck in the belly on the in-breath and then simultaneously flex the perineum. Then relax on the out breath as the belly goes back out. Do not do it forcefully, or you will pump too much energy into the LDT area. I actually wouldn't recommend doing this at all though, it is quite a dangerous(and imbalanced) technique in all honesty.

Best regards

Hello

 

Is there a good book about daoist breathing techniques ?

 

 

Kind Regards

 

Frederick

Hey Flanneau, 

Qigong Empowerment by Grandmaster Shouyu Liang is a good book. It covers quite a few taoist qigong techniques not just reverse breathing. In the beginning stages, I recommend not learning from a book though. You can set yourself up for future health problems and also failure in progression without proper guidance. The safest and best practice in my opinion is starting with Standing Post(Zhan Zhuang) and not to worry about breathing just yet. The reason why I say that is because breathing will occur naturally and it is best no to force these things. The concept of Wu Wei, comes to mind. Doing without doing, or non-doing.  

Best regards

 

 

Drifting_Through_Infinity

 

Is there a before-birth? Is there something that goes on after death?

Hey Drifting, I can talk about my own experiences but I'm not sure about how that relates to the Taoist beliefs. As for the first part of the question, yes there is a before birth. I have a very lucid first memory of being contained within an intense blue light, as if I was a part of the light. One other close friend of mine, who has some natural attainment(possibly inherited?) confirmed that his first memory was of being contained within a bright burning red light. No matter what though, it was only a semi-conscious state. There was no direct thoughts, wants or desires just existence. 

As for the second part of your question, I had an NDE once in the hospital. Of course, this doesn't count as actually dying but it was close enough to bring an end to my own fear of death. Basically it felt orgasmic, like an orgasm that permeated through my whole body(each nerve). I saw bright golden light that enveloped and also warmed my entire body. It was so comfortable that I didn't really want to leave, but I felt a pulling away and then I returned to my body.

To try and relate that to Taoist beliefs, it's kind of difficult. It was only just a personal experience, and there are multiple beliefs within Taoism(depending on the sect and origins). Some schools teach about Hun 魂 and Po 魄, the two separate souls that sort of create a spritual structure. Other sects believe that there are multiple Hun and Po and then also Shen that reside within our internal organs. It is my own personal belief that the pre-birth state is Po. Then once the Po departs to the corpeal vessal(Hun), a proper structure is formed and thus you have consciousness. Please take that with a grain of salt, I only wrote about it in hope that it may give you more perspective. Ultimately, you must go find the answers yourself, just as all of us do.

I'm not sure if you already said it before, but what are the demonstrable results in your school that you speak of?

Ish, I can attest to the demonstrable results of the school. I was very sick and close to death, hospitalized twice and suffered from a complete body shutdown the 2nd time I was in the hospital. After I began Daogong, within the first week of training my symptoms improved. Every so often I have a bad day, but now I am able to function like a completely normal person and I have only been training for a little over 1 year. No other system has been able to do that for me, not SFQ, not Vajrasattva Qigong, not Yang Style Taiji and not even Buddhist Medical Qigong that I learned from a temple. There is definitely something within this tradition that sets it apart from anything else. Whereas 90% of modern qigong is imbalanced in some way and can only help certain people, Daogong (which is level -1) can benefit anyone. It can benefit anyone because it is totally balanced in all aspects.

I emailed northern dao 2 weeks back and received no reply back. So im not sure about it but I think this upcoming week ill try giving them a call. It definitely seems promising though, coming from an actual taoist lineage. I've wanted to seek out taoist school similar to Longman Pai for awhile now but im not ready to make that kind of long term commitment and travel at the moment. Need to get an education and find a stable career first then go from there.

Hello im wondering if anyone on the forum knows of any masters or skilled teachers that are in Vancouver B.C. Canada. Im going to be moving down to the city to go to school and would like to immerse myself more in the internal arts. My goal being I want to integrate the old with the new and supplement my boxing/wrestling (mma training) as well as develop healing abilities along the way. Currently I practice Zazen meditation and the spring forest qigong level 1 standing exercises.

Thanks for all the quick replies, interesting thoughts

How enchanting! Thanks for sharing. Difficult to say if it was total fantasy - only you can distinguish beween how you experience self-referential fantasies and something which you couldn't make up. You could perhaps see if the vision contained any recognisable cultural elements that could link it to a particular tradition. If so, what is it about you that you recognise within yourself that connects with it, e.g. passions, interests, outlook, character etc.?

 

Did you have a particular feeling during the vision? Without expectation why not recreate it with a heartfelt intention of reconneting and see what happens? You should be able to distinguish between real glimpses - feelings, sense of presence, images - and forlorn clinging shadows.

 

Is this vision something that should be ignored because it'll stop you attaining 'higher states of consciousness'? It could be argued that it's blessing. You may not get another vision for years - reading accounts of some teachers receiving teachings in visions, they can be spaced out over a few years; but you could continue on whatever path(s) inspires you knowing that someone somewhere likes you and may be supporting you in ways unknown to you. You could also acknowlede this and send out gratitude and love to 'friends unknown'.

As for having cultural ties or religious ties. I live in northern canada and would say my whole family is atheist, but I lean more towards the agnostic/spiritual side of thinking.

Only feelings I felt was a constant vibrating the whole time.

I suppose you, thelerner,chang,silent thunder and yascra

are right; I should remain grateful for it but non-attatched so it doesn't impede my progress.

Captain Mar-vell and Spotless you have some insightful thoughts on the matter, lets me really see the two sides of it.

And no problem!

Thanks everyone for the quick replies and advice

Around a year and a half ago, something strange happened to me. It was one of the first times I made an effort to do a long meditation, it was mindfulness type meditation laying in bed in a dark room where first I focused my awareness on my feet, then ankles and then on the rest of my body until I felt numb. After awhile all of the sudden with closed eyes I saw a flash of light and then speckles of stars and streams of colors I can only describe as cosmic. In my field of vision far ahead from where the light originated I saw the same throne type thing that used to be put on top of war elephants, I think its called a howdah. It started to float towards me on a carpet and inside was a lady with golden skin and red orb of light on her forehead above the middle of both her eyes. She only smiled at me and then opened a book in front of my face. When the book opened I saw all sorts of arcane symbols i've never seen before and they flashed with a whitish bluish tinge. I felt that the symbols held some sort of power, and just as I was beginning to comprehend the symbols she suddenly closed the book and then drifted backwards again before disappearing out of my field of vision. I wasn't sure what it ment and im still unsure of the significance of it. Ever since then my life has been different though. I feel as though theres something I must do but I don't yet no what it is.The picture of everything that happened is still fresh in my mind as if it happened yesterday. I'm wondering if anyone knows what this visions significance is, if there is any significance of it?

Many thanks for the welcome

Hello everyone, i've been searching across these forums now for the last year now and I have realized that it would be beneficial to share the knowledge i've come across as well as to learn from the more experienced practitioners here. My interests are mainly in eastern esoteric practices such as (Chigong,Neigong,Zhan Zhuang), other types of energy cultivation as well as western ceremonial magick, although it isn't a daily practice for me because I feel somewhat skeptical of it. I can relate to qigong however because i've always felt strange sensations and have had strange things happen to me since a young age, especially when I zone out. Anyways thats my story and i'd be glad to contribute in anyway I can with whatever knowledge I have lurking around in my head