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Oh. Hm, if it helps *shrugs

Ps: Thanks for explanation!

Greet you, nice to meeet you

PS: What is circle walking?

I agree, this is most violent war of them all, and is not fun anymore. I hope it shall pass like all the others. Anyway I saw that during these internet wars people spit the hidden secrets from the vault and make other people start practicing more serious, at least those without guidance or motivation. I am really sorry for those who got hurt, and I understand your bitterness, thelerner and Green Tiger.

The problem is - well, I don't know about these kunlun wars, but in the actual case the initiators will hardly spit hidden secrets. They argue with Youtube-videos showing this or that kind of nice tricks, and otherwise mainly engage in making accusations and insulting people.

Yes, would maybe like some great practicioners discuss their issues. Unfortunately that's not what it is about in this case. And this actively induced decrease of communication- and practice-level is really something which I wouldn't like to support in any way.

Parents have to cope with annoying phases of development of their children. But mods as well as users on here should be more or less grown-ups and be able to reflect their behaviour on their own.

Sorry, more than 2 cents

Concerning new members, well. PMark is still active, right?

But yes, reduce entrance would be quite useful, I think.

Vote for subforum is a clear: NO. What kind of a way to deal with the situation is this, creating a new subforum to "honour" exactly those people who come here to make trouble, engage in missionary activities, are blinded by their belief of being right like maybe some medieval Christians couldn't have done better, and all the time insist that everybody ELSE is the cause of the problem, especially the mod team that has to clean up behind them?

I don't like the idea - Taobums has not that much subforums, and that's positive, as there's some structure in it, but not too much.

Creating a subforum just because the topic is at the moment prey to some people who abuse it for their ego-games, and very obviously, on top of all, DO NOT EVEN PRACTICE THAT STUFF THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT! is clearly not what I'd like to see as a reaction to that situation.

Sometimes it makes me really angry to see a path that can hardly be THAT stupid, and it's real members that can hardly be so bad practicioners used as a punchball for people who just don't want anything else but behave like 5-year olds who didn't get their icecream.

As BKA said, in the pit - there it's not searchable, and that is the real place for flaming threads. Maybe be more open to close them, even if they are already pitted.

It's just against my idea of what "should be" to give a subforum to some topic just because its non-practicing fans don't behave and don't even want to behave.

If there should be a subforum anyways, I'd propose to have it not searchable, so at least that part would be kind of a political decision to improve things in the long run.

Best to all of you anyways, and thanks for giving members some opportunity to partake in the discussion and decision

I believe if everyone, Mo Pai included, were given equal treatment here that maybe things wouldn't have devolved as they did.

I am a supporter of Mo Pai, and I wish to reach out to those of you who disagree with our ways. I realize we have different beliefs, but they are minor compared to all that we all believe in together. I have been watching, and learning, on these boards for quite a while.

 

I have been traveling all over Central America teaching the backpackers and locals the ways of Mo Pai. I have not had much time to post on here, but I do enjoy reading and learning. One of my friends, whom I met a while back, used to post on here as More_Pie_Guy. I am sad to see he is no longer here, and I am even more sad that it is as the result of the small differences between us.

Well, if you have experience in teaching Mo Pai ways, I'd suggest you start teaching it to those of your friends who like to speak for people they've never met personally.

If you'd be so kind to teach him more than just imagining Psi Balls he might even be able to show some character development, allowing him to stop thinking in his dualism of "wuaaah, my opinion is not allowed" which is actually a blatant lie, as it never was about his opinions, but about his respectless way of dealing with people.

And yes, moderators are people(, too).

I'd suggest you give those stubborn brains a wash and have them apologize for a lot of unfair, if not to say, wrong, accusations he made against certain persons in here.

And maybe have him stop comment on a foreign forum on things that happen here.

If you quit, you quit. Administration here doesn't consist of assh*les, and you guys, or "your friends" should well know that.

It is for sure not nice to write out of a "ghost" status.

Actually I suggest that you guys take a step back, take a brake, and use the time you'd usually invest in following threads over here for meditation.

Unfortunately character development doesn't look as nice as producing psi balls or moving playing cards from two meters of distance, but actually for such issues it would indeed help to invest time and effort into it.

I would also help out if in return I might get back checkboxes for my PPF

There are other powerful aspects to it. At an ashram, a young woman with bright eyes asked if I would do the dishes. When I hesitated, she said never mind its too advanced. That was a burn, but I don't think it was meant to be. There were over 100 people eating, which meant 100's of dishes, an hour or two of work. I'd made friends, I wanted to talk to them, take a walk on the beach etc., Not do dishes.

 

The activities were all about entertaining myself. Me, me, me.

I tended to visit some small temple room 'round here, and the person over there is so exhausted from the need of making everybody feel at home there, that she has become quite red in the face. And who are the guys who are the victim of complains and for the work to be done - well, me and another nice woman, who just recently appeared; not those guys that had been used to be given the familiar feeling for years.

I saw some ordained people being guest there, and bet whom I never saw do dishes or clean up the room afterwards. But looking down upon lay practicioners, not wasting a minute to think about the fact that I am a person with a job who'd really like to get rest somewhere, it is obviously easy to determine who'll do the dirty jobs. If you happen to have nice people around, why not abuse them for whatever they'll do for you.

Btw ... I'm not visiting that place anymore.

Actually you first have to learn meditation before being able to apply real mindfulness on anything else. Otherwise you're fooling yourself. And guess which part of that bill was not being taught in that very place.

Sometimes it's really just religion.

Best to both of you!

It exists because of mental states like yours.

 

As for the rest of the snipped post, again, its off topic. If you want to chase the issue, feel free to open a new thread.

Well, you started that OT by calling healers persons who act out of a wrong understanding of the world, so I'll hardly be more or less OT than you by showing that this argument is basically completely wrong and a result of deluded forms of belief, or "religious logic/reasoning"

No, thanks, may anyone else waste their time. As I mentioned, I found such ignorant attitudes like yours are common amongst buddhists, and it's really not my task to save that religion.

Have fun with it anyways.

As to your own argumentation, "mental states", no matter whether mine or yours, don't have substance. How could something that has no substance bring things into existence, e.g. karma. How would one particular state of mine bring the principle of cause and effect into existence.

Hence, just another buddhist who has never heard about the fundamental identity of samsara and nirvana, and still wants to lecture others about emptiness. Ridiculous. I'd ask you to go ask your teachers next time before posting such non-compassionate stuff, yet, I wouldn't expect any official teachers nowadays to be real masters. So better don't ask, might make things worse.

The topic is advertisement anyway, but well, might that OT be stopped. Maybe just keep your unhealthy buddhist beliefs in some buddhist forum next time

Guess it depends on whether one views a baby as a vibrant being of Light or a philosophical construct.

It wont work because its not a being's real nature. As an analogy, most People think they are the film reel, when in fact they are the light behind the projector. So there is confusion. Caught up in confusion and not being able to see their own nature, they think the movie on the screen is their real life. This is where all the dramas unfold and where karma is thought to accumulate on a basically empty piece of cloth.

 

Phantastical stories of ghosts and demons, dark, hidden recesses where the past lurks, deep, unrequited desires fuel hidden emotions, and anything, good or bad, can happen on screen, bringing to birth a plethora of phobias and neurotic tendencies. Its no wonder people turn to healers and exorcists, to create contrast and add layers to an otherwise dream-like existence, mistaking it for reality.

The problem about standing besides a crying baby and discussing the emptiness of it's state instead of just feeding it out of compassion is a problem few persons might have if not having been in contact with buddhist reasoning. After the latter has taken place, arrogance and pride assist pure heart-less-ness in decisions against doing the right thing.

And one core of that problem is the simple fact that thinking about the empty nature of the person in need is a way to deal with the theory of emptiness, while acting out of compassion is it's practice.

Unfortunately few buddhists seem to get the latter part.

You can hardly helpnanyone who has fallen into the trap to think s/he is a "higher", "knowing" being now, the elite of humanity who knows that the hungry baby is an empty state, and thereby leaves the feeding to those lower beings who are still "stuck" in what you thrn have to call "dream like states".

And that's not even Vajrayana. That's just the relatively more harmless buddhist concept of emptiness and it's effect on those who are deluded and/or lack virtue. Those teachings are not fit for persons who lack wisdom. And that's exactly why in many cases it will do more harm than good to publicly proclaim such things.

By the way, one good thing about Vajrayana is that in most of its systems it is breaking a vow to teach emptiness to those who are not qualified, and it also is breaking vows to show a lack of compassion. Those vows are really not great, special or high-level, just an absolutely basic, necessary foundation for ALL persons or beings. Still, although people seem to tend to regard themselves as the ultimate and great practicioners if they were given "vows", maybe in a nice ceremony, they don't even seem to understand the most simple concepts.

Directly speaking, C T, if you want to take sides of Vajrayana and defend that system, I'd suggest you engage in the basic concepts of it first. I'm not criticizing that thing to take revenge or s.thing. It's just that detrimental effects are too obvious - and arguing against the idea and concept of healing and directly, actively helping people is one of the worst traps you can get into in that system.

As Jetsun mentioned, few or no persons at all who act in a natural way would leave that baby crying. I feel quite some buddhists would, trying to forcefully act in a way that accords to their little, rational understanding of "emptiness".

I've offered some opportunities to you to demonstrate that your level of understanding is deep enough to qualify that first post of yours, and though you argued that it's some crowd far away that makes me criticize Vajrayana, you left out quite some possibilities to demonstrate that you're better than them.

In your interest I hope that although you're obviously confused about the real nature of emptiness, you're still able to do good, or in other words, feed the baby. You should be aware that anything else, and every argumentation against that deed, is transgressing vows, not in theory, but in practice.

Most stupid beings know you have to feed a crying baby. To a buddhist you have to explain why, and why s/he's not making her-/himself a Shravaka, namely, practicioner of a "lower way" by doing so. How could anybody safe such a system.

Karma still exists, and will continue to exist. Don't think it is so easy.

It takes a huge amount of aggressive resistance against the spontaneous natural reaction of a persons heart for them to not feed a hungry baby.

Hm, yes.

Jetsun, that discussion wasn't set up for persons like you

Matters to the baby...

Somewhere you have to set priorities.

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After being fed, there is no more hungry, crying baby.

Considering that nothing ever happens in both cases that lead to the non-existence of a crying baby, would the way how this state is achieved still matter or not, and why should it or why should it not matter?

"strive to realize that all earthly appearances are indistinct from reality...." All due respect to Mr Bodri but 'striving' is seldom recommended for anyone seeking to recover from any kind of illness.

Well, congratulation then to a high being like you for being able to reach things without putting in effort, time, discipline and perseverance ^^

For a lower being like me it doesn't work like that, so I'm quite thankful for such remarks.

People who claim to be able to correct the past are as delusional as those who claim the past is real.

 

Nothing ever happened in the past.

Well, nothing ever happens now, still few babies will stop crying when hungry if you tell them.

http://www.meditationexpert.com/yoga-kung-fu/y_zen_sickness_of_zen_master_han_shan.htm

you have obviously mixed with the wrong crowd who labelled themselves 'Vajrayana'.

 

There are obvious differences between authentic masters and self-proclaimed pseudo-gurus. Just because you had an unpleasant past experience and cant seem to resolve it is no reason to wish that that path as a whole meets a timely demise.

 

Anyway, i digress. Your comment is off topic anyhow.

Anyway you're right in that it's OT. And yes, I admit that a lot of what's transported publicly over here fits some general ethical requirements in the west. But if you ask me, that's not because Vajrayana is great, but because they have to adjust their teachings to a Western idea of ethical conduct if they want to sell their dharma here.

Edit: And to be clear about it, I absolutely think that Vajrayana can work, to some degree at least, if it's a story of a realized master teaching personal disciples. But let's be honest, realized masters are extremely rare, and if it's about the crowd you can be happy if what is done in monasteries and centers is not Vajrayana. It's not fit for masses, and even for talented people there are better ways.

Better than nothing, yes. But actually all that magic ans siddhi stuff tends to spoil people on more than one level.

Oh, I don't have an overload in the strict sense, but I really need kind of outer pressure to do intense stuff at the moment, for usually if I ho into it, it starts to hurt extremely due to purification processes going on. The point is, purification is also taking place without meditation. And I really don't have anyone around locally whom I'd trust sufficiently to practice together and help me with that. People are just not qualified for s.thing like that.

So, are you talking about Zen sickness or s.thing related to this?

Vajrayana is very good for this purpose, because all the perversions are assigned nanny deities, allowing practitioners to work directly with their neuroses under the guidance of respective tutelary yidams and protectors.

Funny that you mention that. Though you're not necessarily and in all cases wrong with that, I more found that Vajrayana is and was a nice excuse to behave like the last assh*les on earth, and whenever you'd try to point to things like necessity of purification and virtue, they would just define their bad manners and lack of ethics, morals and virtue as "skillful means" which they applied for this and that reason, e.g. confronting others with their demons.

Which is a dangerous path obviously, as it's a nice way how ciminals and nonvirtuous people are always right.

All a detrimental form of misunderstanding dharma teachings, but whst ain't you gonna do about it. I guess the only solution might be to wait until that path dies out by itself.

Phantastical stories of ghosts and demons, dark, hidden recesses where the past lurks, deep, unrequited desires fuel hidden emotions, and anything, good or bad, can happen on screen, bringing to birth a plethora of phobias and neurotic tendencies. Its no wonder people turn to healers and exorcists, to create contrast and add layers to an otherwise dream-like existence, mistaking it for reality.

Well, you may appreciate that there are indeed people wandering on this planet who don't know about that light, and can only see the film; and yet, there are those who know about the light, but still get caught into the film, to a bigger or lesser extend.

Expecting people to be able to do what they cannot do is not a very compassionate attitude.

Dying of hunger is part of the film as well. Yet you can hardly claim it's the fault of people themselves if they suffer and die from hunger.

Finally suffering is a good reason to try to get rid of attachment to the film, yet it's hard to realize the truth out of that situation.

In more answer to CT I'll give some examples here, I am aware of client confidentiality and posting things on a public forum for all to see is not the best thing one can do.

Great post, thanks for sharing

And respect towards you to do this. I'm just dealing with some disturbed spirits from time to time, not really evil and powerful ones, and I'd certainly lack the education to confront the latter. It's dangerous to do that, so even if you'd take money for it, you could actually hardly charge what it would be worth to perform such an act.

And well... if the world could be healed by just pacifying spirits, things would actually be quite easy. More often than not it's the persons themselves who carry bad things with them that would need clearing or purification. And most of these things are things they have to solve on their own if it shall clear up. How could somebody be saved from effects of what they started themselves, in the long run. If somebody's carrying grudges, or acting in evil ways, how would you hinder their own decision. Just to get back to that topic of "karma" that was also included in the thread title.

Finally ghosts are not the only (outer) entities that might hinder one's wellbeing.

Does this mean I can send them to you? Though not so sure if it works long-distance...

Well, in most cases, if a spirit is not bound to a location, actually it should not be a problem, right? Physical space doesn't exist for them like it does for us.

well, most of the proposed answers are not adequate

And although there's no problem in asking for help if some problem is just to severe for you, for those who prefer the approach of "do it yourself" like I tend to, here's an option, too:

http://www.meditationexpert.com/self-improvement/s_make_offerings_to_hungry_ghosts_for_accumulating_merit.htm

All the best

I like the black silk for when I'm trying to "hide" stuff, you know from curious astral travelers or whatever .

 

Btw, note for everyone, try sleeping wrapped in silk sometime... best sleep EVER! I figure at the very least I should treat myself as well as my tarot cards .

Drawing circles around it or around oneself also works