Yascra

Hello together, and my apologies if this might be a stupid question, but having a more Christian + Buddhist background I am now wondering how to sort in such a concept like "karma" within the terms I've seen to be used in the context of Taoism. Frequently there seems to be the concept of "staying in the moment" and attaining some state of freedom, if you might express it that way. But, well, what about after you've seen the Tao if action and consequences don't have any meaning at all? You might "be" in one moment however aware you want to; if you do something that involves other beings that might have consequences, for the better or the worse. You can feel to be "in the moment" while giving someone a bit of chocolate; anyway they will like you, which might have consequences concerning their behaviour against you. Your "being aware" does not necessarily influence that course of action. You might otherwise feel you're staying in the moment and do something that is considered to be negative, like slapping someone into the face, which might have negative consequences lateron. There is a connection in that overall, for if you would not just "feel" to "be completely aware in the present moment", but really be that, this would have consequences on how you would act. The problem about that is that, well, how many people are out there who completely realized the Tao, so you could watch how persons would behave and what kind of decisions they would make when they have the Tao (which should be that state of complete awareness that's never deluded I'd guess)? Some question might be, of course, whether what I describe with that awareness is so important in Taoism at all, or whether that's a very incomplete understanding of mine; and, furthermore, if there is no idea of "karma" in a way that like action and consequences - if there should not be something like that - what concept would a Taoist use to adjust his behaviour in any way? And, ehm, is that question understandable at all? Curious for some potentially new insights and wishing you all the best Yascra

Like for example deleting a post because you don't like the content as an admin, and then put the user on "censorship"-Status.

It's nice of you to think like this, but, you know.. Having a female body you're just aware that you'll loose when it should come to physical violence. And that's a knowledge you acquire as a teenager when the boys switch to "natural doping", and never really loose.But, of course, it's positive if you know that at least most of the society will or would help and protect them.

Hm, not to say too much here, but, you know... as a female you would have had a serious problem in that situation, because as a female you're not necessarily strong enough to defend your "no" as soon as it comes to being grabbed. Let's be honest about it, a female body is designed in a way to make rape an option to create children. And as a female you know you don't have the physical strength to do much about it, unless you spend a relevant amount of your time with fight training and, most effective, expose your body to doping.With a female body, in that situation in which the overall group wouldn't support you, you might well have had the option to leave the scenery. Otherwise your options would have been limited.

Hm, yes, I feel and appreciate that I think it was an idea with positive intention. Although I have to say that this nick looks like a sleeper, and I really don't see how to trust persons who don't dare to show themselves.

Yes. Thanks to you and thanks to two or three other guys who gave some counterweight. And thanks to some reactions to reports.

Yes, and intentionally so. I didn't like this topic right from the start, cause right from the start it was clear that this would be an invitation towards people who linger around with an interest to insult and hurt any female member of this board here. And without some guys who intentionally worked on keeping a balance here, which I'm thankful for, it would just be another sign for females that contribution in such an environment is a stupid waste of time.

Hey, the "women lack consciousness"-Thread did also make it quite far, and also without bans and suspensions, and beginning from page 4 most posts were insultive, and the intention of the whole thread was insultive right from the start; yet, even reports would hardly have brought this thread even to the pit, and suspensions or bans for any members are something that I think still didn't take place. So obviously this kind of measurement doesn't necessarily tell more than that the topic is not amongst what the mod team considers as having priority or being important in any way.

Yeah, I did get you're a cutie ^^ Anyway, I'm more gay actually, not too much interested in heteros.

I think you would. But to wait for some people to develop sensitivity would really take too much time.

@tyler zambori, I really don't get what you're aiming at, I would just prefer you'd use your main account for it.

Honestly, prostitutes are not so bad for the problem of you being a virgin, and if you find a nice one she might be more kind to you than some females out there. That is, if the problem really is about sex. Yeah, I know, you will turn this argument around and make it seem like I was the one who brought up the topic of sex ^^ PS: For solution of the problem I'd really focus more on the egoist thing. Nobody really likes to be with an egoist.

Well, you see my practice - with a little help of mine at least this last Zhang didn't need more than half a dozen posts to have some mistakes of his character formulated clearly, and still I would not expect he has the slightest intelligent thought of questioning any of it. But at least he has become more honest about it.

Aha, suddenly it's history and not the evil females. Thanks for being sufficiently honest I think regarding the fact that we're writing on a forum that focuses on spirituality we're both clear that this conversation is finished. Maybe you make a new start somewhere by questioning your interpretation of history or your impressions about what makes someone a great person.

150% of women would definitely be so much that it would cover me. Why do you focus on the idiotic females and why is it them you'd like to get? Maybe change your social environment, ever thought about that? Cause something seems to be wrong with yours. But maybe I'm surrounded by too much feminists ^^ Cause actually the kind of women you describe don't even make 10% of those I know .. but well .. I tend to avoid persons who don't stand on their own feet.

Tbh, and I do absolutely not apply that on every accidental crossing male being, most of your words sounded more like those of a hopeless egoist who doesn't care too much about needs and desires as long as they are not his own

If he's not a good person, my experience is that his answer will be "yes, otherwise I don't need to waste my efforts on you". And that might well hold true if the main efforts for holding up that relationship haven't even been made by him, but by her, lol Of course there are not only bad men. But some relevant portion of males seems to grow up with this idea that someone has to please them. Like, it's part of male socialization that one or half a seat in the bus is not enough, if you're a real guy you need at least one-and-a-half seat, cause you have to show you're a big guy with a big ego. I had to learn some of those shit you're raised with, for better "passing as male", and it can be regarded as funny from some perspective, but if you look closely I tend to more pity you for growing up with some amount of pressure to behave like an asshole. Most be double as hard to break out of this.

lol Sure, if women were good-hearted feminists like me, they wouldn't wish that men completely succumb to their sexual desire. Of course bad women exist who abuse that men are horny, and in that case I'd wish to the better examples of men they would cultivate sufficiently to not have themselves manipulated that way. But unfortunately those are lessons neither men nor women like to listen to. Actually, as I feel it, and as I practice it, feminism means to find your strength in yourself, and really be yourself, including those parts of yourself that society tells you should not be part of females (and to once again bring that up, many, MOST societies on this planet have extremely harsh and painful ways to deal with persons who don't fit into what's expected of them, for men as well, but women do not rarely suffer pain, torture and death even if they haven't even been the person transgressing some of the stupid rules; e.g. it's not uncommon that a women will be stoned to death because some men have raped her .. and no, her will and health don't play a role in either the rape nor the decision that she'll suffer death for it; she is killed because she had sex with a person she's not married to. Period.). I really don't need a man to get my sexual needs fulfilled, nor do I manipulate men in a sexual way to get money or anything else, and I find such behaviour disgusting. But these manipulative behaviour is really not what is taught by feminists, that's actually more part of anti-feminist women who don't see a need to take care of themselves and instead prefer to stick to role-models.

Because money is used to counterweight "effort" in society. The rest of your response is mainly leading into an interpretation that's not really fitting. You were the one who brought up the topic of sex, your need and greed desire for it, as well as the topic of some imagined "right" to have sex (if your effort has been sufficient). You brought it up and for clarification and to give you an opportunity fur further insight, I gave you some thoughts from sides of a person who, yes, would deny sex for "efforts". I felt some complaining tone in your first post concerning girls or women who don't "value"/"pay back" "efforts" (and once again, in Western society money is what is used to calculate the size of an effort) with sex, and I just explained what might be some mistakes in that approach. If you're perfectly fine I don't get what you're complaining about. You don't need to turn it around. I'm a cultivator, I've gotten rid of sexual desires to a large extent, and actually that's better if you want to progress in meditation practice.

So you think that every girl is basically a prostitute (hey, it is not "something for nothing", it is "something for something else"), so if you spend money on her with this you automatically get the right to fuck her...? Maybe get a rubber doll? Is the conclusion of your post now that you got rid of the advice of your mother to find a good partner and you took a sexmachine that's not using her brain too much or what exactly did you try to express? Btw, nobody says there are no stupid girls outside who'll fuck guys who are not good for them, and other way round. My ex-partner had even had a partner who wanted so much sex that finally HE was exhausted, lol, although he really was a sex addict who couldn't do without masturbation for more than half a day... and still he didn't get the lesson that demand, demand, demand is not how you'll get a great partnership, neither great sex. That's the problem with guys like you, you know. Why not visit a prostitute and then start looking for a partner out of a relaxed state instead of motivated by some sexual urges? Do whatever you wish with a partner who is okay with that, as long as you're willing and able to afterwards pay for the products of what you're doing, I would say (and yes, it is the woman who will lateron have to make the hard decision for or against abortion if there should evolve products of sex that don't fit into your way of life, and might well loose a part of her physical health should she decide to give birth). Well, honestly, I didn't get whether you now got your "class two girl" instead of looking for the "class one girl" your mother advised you to look for. Hey, I am a female and a spiritual cultivating person. Guess how hard it is to find a MALE partner who cultivates his body AND mind. Tbh, I don't search amongst humans any more .. if you're a little bit sensitive you notice very fast whether someone will be good for you or not .. and greedy and selfish persons are rarely good for you, no matter what the sex/gender is. That's why I tend to like to have contact to cultivated persons, you know, no matter how far away they are .. because an exchange of energies does really not depend so much on the physical distance, and this kind of a connection to some good person or cultivators out there is still better than being close to a non-cultivator in a physical sense. It is ALWAYS hard to find people who have a good character, which would be valuing hard work etc. But, honestly .. you say "if I put in something, I want something out of it" .. in other words .. you are looking for a prostitute, not for someone who values your character .. and a relevant part of your motivation seems to be sexual greed. Hey, it's okay if you're a worse person than what your mother wanted you to become, you know. But, honestly .. this attitude of yours is exactly what would motivate me to stick away from a guy like you should we meet in real life. A sensitive person just notices that someone else thinks he has a right to do to their body what s/he would like to, and the question is just, to what degree you will be willing and practicing violence to get it. Psychological pressure you've already tried to play out, and most girls who are not very aware they are NOT prostitutes will be impressed by it...but be assured, if you want prostitute-like sex, that will hardly ever be GREAT sex. I doubt that this way and with this ideas of what you think is your right to "get", you'll get someone with a good character .. because a good character is simply not what you offer, and a good character also doesn't seem to be what you are looking for. There are prostitutes, there are pron vids, there are rubber dolls and other toys to give your body relaxation, if wasting energy is the only way for you to relax your body. It's really not the duty of any other human being. Btw.. if you'd like to get something like me - no, I did already get that you're not interested in having a partner who is strong, interested in self-cultivation and working on being a good person in way that's beyond "always being nice" - you would well have to accept that I might spend some time with people, and they might like to start calling this a relationship etc .. but well, if I'd like to have sex with some other guy, we will need long talks until you accept that no girl-friend's vagina is something you own. If she wants to get something from someone else, why should you have any right to forbid that .. you don't own her genitals. Same way other way round of course, as long as "we" don't end up poor because he has to pay for a dozen children out there (yes, Sex can have consequences, and on an energetical level it almost always will as well, so don't fuck persons who are bad for you; not even to talk about things like AIDS). I don't get all this "ownership" stuff in relationships.. what's the problem if a person you love has fun with someone else? If it's a good relationship it shouldn't take damage from that ..and why not wish all the best and all the greatest experiences to a person you sincerely love? Btw.. I do know girls who maybe would make a partner for people like you. You would end up hurting each other in the long run, but as long as you're both happy with having some sex... well. Anyway .. even for getting those girls it might be of advantage if you would spend a little thought on the question that: Maybe a woman will be more interested to have sex with you if she gets the feeling that she will GET something great by having sex with you, and not that she will have to serve your wishes as kind of a prostitute. There are girls out there who are way more interested in having sex than in having a great relationship as well .. but these girls also want to have their fun and joy out of it, and not serve some boring guy who just wants to have the living counterpart of a rubber doll. Your words sound like you fit the latter category. Maybe think about it.

omfg, it took me some time to realize that this stupid watching woman was really trying to blame the guy who was disturbed during showering. I think the most natural thing to do would have been to give the girls some hint that this behaviour is not ... nice? :-p

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